2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[playteamball]

IMO the difference is that we're still building a team and not gonna let our team get held hostage by a prima donna. Billy king was weak and let deron dictate everything. The Spurs still attract talent and look to make moves for stars, as long as kyrie or any other star adopts our culture we're fine. If not, trade him out.

You think Kyrie can't pull the same stuff Deron did at the end of his deal? He's going to be a FA in 2019. He's guaranteed to be on a losing squad here based off some of these trade packages being offered on this board. We're basically gutting our team for any package that lands him. That means he will definitely have us on the edge of our seats.

Stay with his hometown team and get paid or sign somewhere else and be an instant contender.

That is the same nonsense that spearheaded 90% of King's dumb decisions.

No thanks. I'll pass on that.

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I agree with some of your points, however there really isn't much of a team here to gut honestly. If we keep LeVert like in my scenario, the team is still better than last years + we add Kyrie Irving. I also don't think it would be a losing squad. Honestly if we put out a lineup of Kyrie/Crabbe/LeVert/RHJ/Mozgov I think we would be a playoff team in the (L)east and easily double our win total from last season.

But I would only do the trade if he's willing to sign an extension otherwise like you said, there's too much risk.

I believe the max extension allowed would be three years, including the present contract, so you'd only be delaying the inevitable by one year if Kyrie were intending to hold the Nets hostage, and that's if Kyrie were willing to agree to the extra year to begin with.

[ChokeFasncists]

A lot of players possess athleticism but never put it together to make it work on the NBA level. Archie did not demonstrate much improvement during the time that he was here.

I dunno man, I thought he played much better towards the end of the season than when he first got here.

Bye bye Goodwin, 2 way contract?

[ChokeFasncists]

Green would be nice.

The question is tho, why don't the Grizz want him back?

It's probably cuz of the price. That means he won't come cheap, that'd be a problem.

[Curns13]

I wonder if we could get Bogut on a 1 year $5M deal with an agreement that if we aren't close to the playoffs, we'd release him at the deadline to go to a contender. Seems like a win win. He can prove he's still useful while we get deeper at the 5 and have a big body and great locker room leader.

[Curns13]

Because JaMychal Green can stroke the 3 it forces defenses to be honest on him. Right now with RHJ his man is gonna be in the paint playing rover, i let RHJ shoot 3s ALL DAY until he can hit a coupla and if Mozgov doesnt develop a 3pt shot himself, then the offense needs to be creative on how to play around the congestion inside. This is likely the biggest reason why Carroll will prolly start at PF and RHJ will come off the bench. Thus Green's added 3pt dimension along with him being able to do all the other thing (i mean if his defense was putrid then its an easy pass), means YES he gets paid extra for an important NBA skill.

The beauty of the share the wealth motion offense is that all the players get touches and will be allowed to let fly when theyre open AND be in rhythm. Everyone is gonna be putting up stats and its not just the guards who get to dominate the ball and go ISO whenever they want (ala many teams like POR/WAS) and only passing out when they need to be bailed out with the shot clock running low.

If things break right next season and everyone steps up their play due to the unselfish system being run the team is gonna have alot of nice trade chips. Carroll turns into a useful player on a 15 mil expiring, Crabbe turns into a top notch JJ Reddick esque sniper who basically can be treated as an expiring, in my scenario Green with a 2+1 deal is another expiring who showed good things, Lin opts out so not much can be done with him other than S&T.

Now imagine a scenario where team have a disgruntled star and are looking for whaever they can get. Carroll, Crabbe, and Green are now all available and are quality players on expirings, package any 2 of em together, add a future pick or two (or a Whitehead) and we're in business to try to snag someone like a PG13, Butler, or perhaps Love.

JaMychal adding a few more wins (or improving the floor) is just icing on the cake to **** over BOS and devaluing that future pick.

Disagree. No coach in this league is letting Lin or Dlo get to the rim because they feel they have to cover Green. Like I said, 1 extra attempt and half an extra made 3 will have very little impact on spacing. Any impact it does have is offset by the fact he is worse than RHJ in every other aspect of his game. I'm happy yo upgrade at the 4, but we actually need to find someone who is an upgrade. IMO its a waste to spend $8M extra for a player that has the same (or worse) contribution as the rookie deal guy we already have.

[Keith Van Horn]

I think Plumlee would still be the best pickup.

Seems like Lin wanted him here with that tweet from a few weeks ago. He'll run the floor, rebound, get physical, pick up hard fouls if we need it, and dunk the **** out of the ball. He's the perfect guy to have in front of Allen for some time, whether it be some of the year or the entire year. He's been here before and I'm sure he'd love to come back. I know it was with a completely different team, but the fans know him and he's familiar with the area/facility/etc.

I just can't speak on if he's ok with a limited role or wants to play for a much better team. Unless someone else has heard something different??

I know he wouldn't fit the mold of having everyone be able to shoot 3s on the floor at any given time, but if he came at a cheaper price and provided that cushion before we threw JA into the fire, then I'll take him here. He could just be our Lob and Block guy off the bench, like a mini Deandre, or McGee.

[Netaman]

I think Plumlee would still be the best pickup.

Seems like Lin wanted him here with that tweet from a few weeks ago. He'll run the floor, rebound, get physical, pick up hard fouls if we need it, and dunk the **** out of the ball. He's the perfect guy to have in front of Allen for some time, whether it be some of the year or the entire year. He's been here before and I'm sure he'd love to come back. I know it was with a completely different team, but the fans know him and he's familiar with the area/facility/etc.

I just can't speak on if he's ok with a limited role or wants to play for a much better team. Unless someone else has heard something different??

I know he wouldn't fit the mold of having everyone be able to shoot 3s on the floor at any given time, but if he came at a cheaper price and provided that cushion before we threw JA into the fire, then I'll take him here. He could just be our Lob and Block guy off the bench, like a mini Deandre, or McGee.

He'd be a fit if we didn't already have Mozgov for the next few years. Don't get me wrong he's a good player and we could use all the good players we can find, if we could get his rights for Skil or Whitehead I'm all for it, but if with our cap flexibility minimized there's probably not enough room to pay 25% of the cap to him/Mozgov combined for multiple seasons.

[DeRoma]

Because JaMychal Green can stroke the 3 it forces defenses to be honest on him. Right now with RHJ his man is gonna be in the paint playing rover, i let RHJ shoot 3s ALL DAY until he can hit a coupla and if Mozgov doesnt develop a 3pt shot himself, then the offense needs to be creative on how to play around the congestion inside. This is likely the biggest reason why Carroll will prolly start at PF and RHJ will come off the bench. Thus Green's added 3pt dimension along with him being able to do all the other thing (i mean if his defense was putrid then its an easy pass), means YES he gets paid extra for an important NBA skill.

The beauty of the share the wealth motion offense is that all the players get touches and will be allowed to let fly when theyre open AND be in rhythm. Everyone is gonna be putting up stats and its not just the guards who get to dominate the ball and go ISO whenever they want (ala many teams like POR/WAS) and only passing out when they need to be bailed out with the shot clock running low.

If things break right next season and everyone steps up their play due to the unselfish system being run the team is gonna have alot of nice trade chips. Carroll turns into a useful player on a 15 mil expiring, Crabbe turns into a top notch JJ Reddick esque sniper who basically can be treated as an expiring, in my scenario Green with a 2+1 deal is another expiring who showed good things, Lin opts out so not much can be done with him other than S&T.

Now imagine a scenario where team have a disgruntled star and are looking for whaever they can get. Carroll, Crabbe, and Green are now all available and are quality players on expirings, package any 2 of em together, add a future pick or two (or a Whitehead) and we're in business to try to snag someone like a PG13, Butler, or perhaps Love.

JaMychal adding a few more wins (or improving the floor) is just icing on the cake to **** over BOS and devaluing that future pick.

Disagree. No coach in this league is letting Lin or Dlo get to the rim because they feel they have to cover Green. Like I said, 1 extra attempt and half an extra made 3 will have very little impact on spacing. Any impact it does have is offset by the fact he is worse than RHJ in every other aspect of his game. I'm happy yo upgrade at the 4, but we actually need to find someone who is an upgrade. IMO its a waste to spend $8M extra for a player that has the same (or worse) contribution as the rookie deal guy we already have.

LMAO what kind of logic is this? You can litterally say this to any team. lololol

Do you honestly believe Green's attempts will simply just translate with our team? The grizzlies has one the slowest pace offense in the league with a very low offensive rating. While we have the highest and shoots 3s like endless water. Him shooting TS%60 in Memphis alone is impressive considering most of the attempts he makes are a lot harder than a system offense we have in place for him. He has a great potential to be one the best shooting bigs if he comes here if he just increase his volume and find him easier shots.

[DeRoma]

Green would be nice.

The question is tho, why don't the Grizz want him back?

It's probably cuz of the price. That means he won't come cheap, that'd be a problem.

It has to be around atleast 12 per year i'm assuming.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I would do

LeVert
Tor 1st
Lin

For Kyrie. That's the best we can do.

Then we get Kyrie to convince another Superstar to sign with us next summer. Possibly Cousins and hope and pray that Russell becomes an all-star.

Kyrie/Cousins/Russell Big 3.

Plus Kyrie gets to play for his hometown team that he grew up rooting for.

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[Vae Victus]

12m per year is too much and there's no way JaMychal Green will get that short of a S&T as its clear that MEM is holding firm.

I mean if he's holding out for more cash its gonna be hard as teams with capspace are pretty much out of it. He's only had 1 good season so far and if he's trying to get paid based on it, then yea he's not gonna be too happy. Prolly will end up taking the QO if he wants to bet on himself with next years weak FA class. Sure there will be less open money around, but if he turns in a good season then someone will pay him long term.

[ChokeFasncists]

I wonder if we could get Bogut on a 1 year $5M deal with an agreement that if we aren't close to the playoffs, we'd release him at the deadline to go to a contender. Seems like a win win. He can prove he's still useful while we get deeper at the 5 and have a big body and great locker room leader.

Probably too similar to Moz

[ChokeFasncists]

Green would be nice.

The question is tho, why don't the Grizz want him back?

It's probably cuz of the price. That means he won't come cheap, that'd be a problem.

It has to be around atleast 12 per year i'm assuming.

Not sure he's that much better than Acy.

[Curns13]

I wonder if we could get Bogut on a 1 year $5M deal with an agreement that if we aren't close to the playoffs, we'd release him at the deadline to go to a contender. Seems like a win win. He can prove he's still useful while we get deeper at the 5 and have a big body and great locker room leader.

Probably too similar to Moz

Give Mozgov and Bogut 20 minutes each (which is what they've both been getting the last couple of years) and can have the left over 8. By the time the deadline comes around, Allen will have gotten his feet wet, would have been taught some tricks of the trade and can have his minutes expanded to 15 - 20. Probably won't happen, just a thought.

[DeRoma]

Green would be nice.

The question is tho, why don't the Grizz want him back?

It's probably cuz of the price. That means he won't come cheap, that'd be a problem.

It has to be around atleast 12 per year i'm assuming.

Not sure he's that much better than Acy.

I think he is much better than Acy but that's from an eye test. I'm a fan of his game. But this is all my opinion same as I don't think Crabbe is not a that bad of a defender as he is perceived to be.

[Netaman]

I think the tricky part of the PF discussion for this year is that just adding another decent body doesn't help much. Booker is a decent PF who fits a lot of what they are looking for. He's certainly not a good shooter, but 32% isn't nothing but he's tough, plays good D and passes a little bit. Rondae gives them an interesting athlete/undersized option, kind of similar to Thad, but obviously the J is ugly. Carroll fits the undersized stretch role.

So it doesn't make sense to bring in someone similar, any acquisition would have to be significantly better or it's not worth taking cap room/minutes from what's already here. Sullinger has some similarities to those guys, that's why they only offered him a non-guaranteed contract. Are Green or Plumlee enough of an upgrade? Are they worth losing cap flexibility? Is Faried? Monroe?

I predict Marks makes a small acquisition, a young guy he likes in return for one of our young wings, possibly even a G league type. Saves the cap room and adds a depth body to develop.

[Paradise]

I think the tricky part of the PF discussion for this year is that just adding another decent body doesn't help much. Booker is a decent PF who fits a lot of what they are looking for. He's certainly not a good shooter, but 32% isn't nothing but he's tough, plays good D and passes a little bit. Rondae gives them an interesting athlete/undersized option, kind of similar to Thad, but obviously the J is ugly. Carroll fits the undersized stretch role.

So it doesn't make sense to bring in someone similar, any acquisition would have to be significantly better or it's not worth taking cap room/minutes from what's already here. Sullinger has some similarities to those guys, that's why they only offered him a non-guaranteed contract. Are Green or Plumlee enough of an upgrade? Are they worth losing cap flexibility? Is Faried? Monroe?

I predict Marks makes a small acquisition, a young guy he likes in return for one of our young wings, possibly even a G league type. Saves the cap room and adds a depth body to develop.

We added Dinwiddie, Kilpatrick during the middle half of the season the last two years. We tried to add Montiejunas mid-season. Houston matched. I could certainly see Sean playing the long game and waiting it out before looking for a traditional four.

I also expect a couple youngsters getting some invites to camp. Nothing really else. I think we're good with Acy/Booker as our rebounding bigs. Acy could also be that stretch four.


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[TheBrooklynKidd]

I could see Marks using that final roster spot to sign an international stretch 4/5 similar like what he did with Justin Hamilton last season as opposed to giving up assets for JayMichael Green or wasting his time with a 5 mill deal for plumlee that could easily be matched. All we know with Marks is to expect the unexpected.

[moonpie]

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[Curns13]

I think the tricky part of the PF discussion for this year is that just adding another decent body doesn't help much. Booker is a decent PF who fits a lot of what they are looking for. He's certainly not a good shooter, but 32% isn't nothing but he's tough, plays good D and passes a little bit. Rondae gives them an interesting athlete/undersized option, kind of similar to Thad, but obviously the J is ugly. Carroll fits the undersized stretch role.

So it doesn't make sense to bring in someone similar, any acquisition would have to be significantly better or it's not worth taking cap room/minutes from what's already here. Sullinger has some similarities to those guys, that's why they only offered him a non-guaranteed contract. Are Green or Plumlee enough of an upgrade? Are they worth losing cap flexibility? Is Faried? Monroe?

I predict Marks makes a small acquisition, a young guy he likes in return for one of our young wings, possibly even a G league type. Saves the cap room and adds a depth body to develop.

Agree. If we are gonna spend significant money, it needs to be on a significant upgrade. I genuinely don't believe Green is better than RHJ or Booker (better 3pt shooter obviously, but not overall) and with a full season maybe Acy can prove himself to be that stretch 4.