Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[NBAFan93]

Only trade that interest me from the Cavs perspective:

Charlotte trade giving back Kemba
Memphis trade giving back Conely
Clippers trade giving back Jordan and Beverly

I'm not doing the Denver or Phoenix trade.

You and I think alike... No Boston IT/Crowder/(Brown/Pick) though?

[Hello Brooklyn]

Only trade that interest me from the Cavs perspective:

Charlotte trade giving back Kemba
Memphis trade giving back Conely
Clippers trade giving back Jordan and Beverly

I'm not doing the Denver or Phoenix trade.

You and I think alike... No Boston IT/Crowder/(Brown/Pick) though?

I'm not trading him to Boston because I don't want to make my biggest rival better.

The trade makes sense outside of that though.

Would be a nightmare to face the Celtics with Kyrie in the playoffs.

[gaspar]

Cavs should simply scoff at any low offers for Kyrie right now, and keep him til the trade deadline and re-evaluate then. We don't have to trade him.

He is a 25 year old scoring machine, with over 25ppg on 5.8 assists, a 23PER, 47% FG 40% from 3, 90% FT shooter, multiple all-star, NBA finals experienced, and still has 2 guaranteed years on his contract. All our angst against him aside, he is still a ridiculously good player who probably hasn't peaked yet.

If teams want to keep offering weak deals, screw it. There is no reason we have to trade him.

If the reports of him cutting off contact with the entire Cavaliers franchise are true, as well the reports of him being supremely unhappy there, then that's plainly not an option. It wouldn't be good for morale for him, nor for James, nor the rest of the roster; what's more is if you want Lebron to stay long term - which is seeming increasingly unlikely - then a move needs to be made to appease him at this point.

Sure it is, if we don't get a deal worthy of a trade. Heck, we can sit him out if we feel like it, for the regular season we got Drose now, which regular season wise will do for awhile til Kyrie can be flipped.

Why should the Cavaliers be forced to sell Kyrie for cheap when he has 2 years left on his deal? At some point we have to trade him barring some unexpected turnaround sure, but for now we do not. This whole mantra people have of us needing to unload him before the season starts is ludicrous, and exactly what teams are sitting back preying on.

If Kyrie wants to be the man, he has to man up, be mature, and play basketball under his contract until a move that makes sense is there. If he wants to be a child, ignore the team, and do all that, he is only hurting himself.

Yeah, benching Kyrie would be a fantastic tactic to raise his trade value.

[Lovethisgamegr]

Imagine this.The season ends, Kyrie says "thnx everyone i've been to 3 finals got a ring,but now i need a new challenge.So, let's consider a trade. Cavs would have hade more time and better offers and it could have ended in a simple win-win situation with no drama.
Instead he waited until 2 great fits were traded, then he went ironic and bitter against the leader of his team and finally he woulnd't pick his phone.This is so immature and 'diva' that there's no reasonable explanation (hating lebron isn't reasonable) why some ppl tend to justify Kyrie's moves.He's got 2 more years on a contract, he wants out he does it in that way,well there isn't a lot of possibilities that it's going to end well for both sides, or for any of them. So the Cavs need to protect themselves and make a deal that will suit them,not Kyrie.

[MoMan24]

Imagine this.The season ends, Kyrie says "thnx everyone i've been to 3 finals got a ring,but now i need a new challenge.So, let's consider a trade. Cavs would have hade more time and better offers and it could have ended in a simple win-win situation with no drama.
Instead he waited until 2 great fits were traded, then he went ironic and bitter against the leader of his team and finally he woulnd't pick his phone.This is so immature and 'diva' that there's no reasonable explanation (hating lebron isn't reasonable) why some ppl tend to justify Kyrie's moves.He's got 2 more years on a contract, he wants out he does it in that way,well there isn't a lot of possibilities that it's going to end well for both sides, or for any of them. So the Cavs need to protect themselves and make a deal that will suit them,not Kyrie.

Thought the same thing. Why not ask to be traded after the finals and before the draft. The Cavs would have PG or Bulter or both. They could have traded Irving and Love and got a really great defensive team that has a better chance vs GSW. But he does this. Also him and his camp can't seem to stop keeping LBJ's name out of this. I do not know how you blame James for this. Then to not even pick up the phone during all this. If I'm another team these are all red flags to me.

[Domejandro]

Imagine this.The season ends, Kyrie says "thnx everyone i've been to 3 finals got a ring,but now i need a new challenge.So, let's consider a trade. Cavs would have hade more time and better offers and it could have ended in a simple win-win situation with no drama.
Instead he waited until 2 great fits were traded, then he went ironic and bitter against the leader of his team and finally he woulnd't pick his phone.This is so immature and 'diva' that there's no reasonable explanation (hating lebron isn't reasonable) why some ppl tend to justify Kyrie's moves.He's got 2 more years on a contract, he wants out he does it in that way,well there isn't a lot of possibilities that it's going to end well for both sides, or for any of them. So the Cavs need to protect themselves and make a deal that will suit them,not Kyrie.

Thought the same thing. Why not ask to be traded after the finals and before the draft. The Cavs would have PG or Bulter or both. They could have traded Irving and Love and got a really great defensive team that has a better chance vs GSW. But he does this. Also him and his camp can't seem to stop keeping LBJ's name out of this. I do not know how you blame James for this. Then to not even pick up the phone during all this. If I'm another team these are all red flags to me.

Here is my copy-and-paste that I keep putting in....

Spoiler:

Kyrie's trade request stems from multiple factors, primarily those of LeBron James' lack of long-term commitment, the lukewarm treatment LeBron gives teammates (and how his comments regarding them are often times made public), as well as the poor treatment of David Blatt (who he was close to). There are many more factors than that, but those are three very solid ones. Kyrie was also irritated that he was able to work so easily with David Griffin on solving his private trade request and his wishes were being accommodated (the trade rumour to get Paul George and Eric Bledsoe to Cleveland were fully legitimate), but the rug was completely torn out from under him by David Griffin not being retained (and Dan Gilbert being uncomfortable with LeBron James staying long-term). Dan Gilbert being frustrating throughout this process with his consistent low-balling of future prospects for the Cleveland Cavaliers' General Manager position and non-committal attitude to reaching a resolution with Kyrie is what led to the escalation of this becoming public.

This has nothing to do with "star power", but rather a situation in which: Kyrie Irving felt it was time to move on for a collection of reasons, he reached an agreement with the front-office that did an excellent job accommodating for both himself and the team, the rug was completely pulled out from under him, he received no explanation on the future plans for the situation, and the situation was made public because of it.

Watching people continually pile on Kyrie Irving for a variety of reasons that are completely fabricated is absolutely painful.

The situation was being handled privately BEFORE the NBA-Draft.

[jimmy keys]

Well anytime a allstar level player is traded, the team losing the allstar loses the deal 90% of he time. 95% if Billy King isn't involved. It happens over and over in the NBA and this won't likely be any different. Had George and Butler still been on the market the Cavs could have still made out quite well in a deal.

Which is more reason to sit back and wait. Teams are waiting for Cavs to panic, make a move just for the sake of making a move. If we were out West where it's ultra-tough, they would have more of a reason to. Here in the East, even with Rose playing PG we can easily finish top 3 in East. Honestly, it seems like Kyrie is butthurt because Cavs looked into trading him for PG13 if the deal was really that close. I have yet to hear Kyrie wanted out badly until that, so to me that is what likely what did it for him, which is pretty pathetic if you ask me. He waits til all the big names are gone, and then cries he wants out. He has done the Cavs zero favors this off-season, we don't owe him jack.

Honestly this is becoming more pathetic than LeBron in 2010 sadly. He will not get that much hate from CLE because frankly CLE doesn't care about him like we do LeBron, but he is quickly making himself hated and he is starting to give himself a poor reputation of being a pre-madonna. I guess if he wants to alienate an entire city based off his ego and feelings, then whatever.

Lolwut?

[HotRocks34]

The more I think about Kyrie's desicion to be traded, the more respect he deserves, imo. I completely agree with SAS here:

“Kyrie isn’t saying he’s better than LeBron and should be seen that way. He’s saying he’s not about to let LeBron ‘SON’ him … treating him like he’s the child and LeBron’s the father or big brother he’s supposed to look up to.

“Kyrie knows he’s a franchise-caliber talent. He wants to be treated like it. And he’s tired of hearing about what LeBron needs, and he’s damn sure tired of hearing LeBron sound like he always needs more. As if the crew they have isn’t enough.”

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/kyrie-irving-stephen-a-smith-lebron-james/

You can hate or love it, but right now Kyrie is a real man. He could have it easy and just stay in Cleveland - knowing he will be in the finals again. But he's not playing Lebron's game, because he's probably also leaving the Cavs next year.

Could the Spurs really trade for him? How good would a Spurs Team be with Kyrie? Kawhi Leonard is THE Face in San Antonio. 5% chance that Kyrie would like to go there.

Kyrie and his circle are utterly delusional. It's embarrassing.

Kyrie is an incredibly flawed player and personality. I'm certain LeBron is tired of babysitting him and trying to get him to play the right way. How bad is it? This bad (from last year when LeBron sat out a game):

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/03/kyrie_irving_shows_again_that_hes_not_ready.html

After the game, a few players were puzzled to how their point guard managed to register just one measly assist while playing 39 minutes. They were frustrated, but the win and Irving's huge defensive play lessened the anger.

The notion within the locker room is that the situation is tolerable, because it isn't permanent. If the Cavaliers were dealt the misfortune of playing without James for an extended period of time, this locker room would be boiling over.

Players are growing tired of Irving's inability to not only register a proper amount of assists at the lead guard position, but also to just move the ball.

That's not LeBron saying that, either. Those are other Cavs teammates.

That was one year ago.

Anyone think Kyrie had a miracle make-over in one season?

The more Kyrie and his circle talk, the more respect I lose for him and them. And there wasn't a large surplus to start with.

I have followed the Cavs very closely the last several years. I've seen the issues with Kyrie over and over and over again.

He has improved, but is still FAR from being ready to lead a team. As the title of that linked article states.

Kyrie should not be worried about being "sonned" or any such idiocy. He should be worried about soaking up every possible lesson he can learn from one of the three greatest players who ever lived. He should thank God every day that he got to play with LeBron.

He'll find out soon enough. He had a taste of it before LeBron came back to Ohio, and he's probably headed back to that loser position again soon.

Some people just don't get it.

Kyrie is 25 years old. When Magic was 27 years old and about to take over the team from Kareem (who was around 39 or so), here's how he felt:

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-05-18/sports/sp-358_1_magic-johnson

"I knew it had to start with me," he said. "I had to show everybody I was ready. I had to be an example that I would do whatever it takes to make us a winner."

Compare that with the ingrate's words.

Magic at 27 years old -----> I have to show I'm ready to lead the team and I need to do whatever it takes to help us win

Kyrie at 25 years old ------> Wahhhhhh! LeBron is "sonning" me and I'm mad! I want away from LeBron!

The amount of disgust I feel towards Kyrie about all of this is beyond my ability to convey using words.

There is nothing to respect in what Kyrie is doing now. The only appropriate feelings here are scorn, derision and disbelief.

Carmelo 2. Coming soon to a yet-unidentified team.

[Domejandro]

^^^That just isn't the situation though, all these "inside guys" (looking at Steven A. Smith) have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

[Birdie]

It'd be pretty funny to see, "if" NY were to trade for Kyrie, how NY would handle the Ky/Melo dynamic.

Do they tell Kyrie, it's your team and we're moving Melo no matter what? Or Kyrie insists on NY keeping Melo cuz they're boys but not realizing, in essence, you pretty much create the same dynamic that he had between LBJ, and LBJ > Melo. Or Melo says F it, I don't want to play with Kyrie, I still want out. Or Melo completely flip flops and wants to stay in NY now that Ky would be there. It sure would be interesting of how it would play out.

At the very least, a Ky/THJ/Melo/Porzingis/O'Quinn starting 5 isn't terrible but it would be horrendous defensively and the Knicks bench would be woof. They'd be lucky to win 40 games max. But it would def. draw the crowds on star power alone imo.

[Stillwater]

Irving by requesting this trade will never be eligible for the dpe once he is traded, so he is following along the lines of those willing to take less money to be in situations more beneficial to their careers and legacy.All of this media spoiling of the strife in Cleveland and the rift between him and Lebron is way overblown. I do think however that Irving is not happy with the Cavs ownership for misleading him even though they were not in retrospect doing so, they just completely changed their plan to build around him after Lebron returned as they had told KI they would make him the franchise player when he signed his extension before Lebron returned. So it is pretty easy to see why the assumption is KI is not happy with Lebron. Fact is he is not happy with the situation, not happy with the team being built around Lebron,and not happy with what he will be left with if Lebron leaves,along with not being happy with playing second fiddle to Lebron if he stays.
I can respect his decision to want out,to be the first option elsewhere where the drop off to the next player is not infact a better player than him who is deferring to him on offense to let him be the first option some of the time like the situation in Cleveland.
However I do not respect the way the media has turned this into a circus and created possibly more strife than actually existed , should no teams man up and pay the Cav's what they are wanting,and they decide to not move him before the season starts.

[OsuCavsfan103]

If the reports of him cutting off contact with the entire Cavaliers franchise are true, as well the reports of him being supremely unhappy there, then that's plainly not an option. It wouldn't be good for morale for him, nor for James, nor the rest of the roster; what's more is if you want Lebron to stay long term - which is seeming increasingly unlikely - then a move needs to be made to appease him at this point.

Sure it is, if we don't get a deal worthy of a trade. Heck, we can sit him out if we feel like it, for the regular season we got Drose now, which regular season wise will do for awhile til Kyrie can be flipped.

Why should the Cavaliers be forced to sell Kyrie for cheap when he has 2 years left on his deal? At some point we have to trade him barring some unexpected turnaround sure, but for now we do not. This whole mantra people have of us needing to unload him before the season starts is ludicrous, and exactly what teams are sitting back preying on.

If Kyrie wants to be the man, he has to man up, be mature, and play basketball under his contract until a move that makes sense is there. If he wants to be a child, ignore the team, and do all that, he is only hurting himself.

Yeah, benching Kyrie would be a fantastic tactic to raise his trade value.

Not ideally, but if he is becoming a team cancer and not playing 100% and intentionally being a distraction, you could. Teams still know how good he is. We cannot allow him to simply cry and whine and pout his way out of CLE for significantly less than we should get for him having 2 guaranteed years on his contract and being 25.

[LakerLegend]

Who says no:

Cleveland Out:

Kyrie
Love
Shumpert

Cleveland In:

Bledsoe
Chandler
Ryan Anderson
Ariza

Houston Out:

Ryan Anderson
Eric Gordon
Ariza
Tucker
Black
Qi

Houston In:

Melo
Love
Courtney Lee

Phoenix Out

Bledsoe
Chandler

Phoenix In:

Ntilikina
Tucker
Black
Qi
1st Round Pick

New York Out:

Melo
Lee
Ntilikina
1st Round Pick

New York In:

Kyrie
Eric Gordon
Shumpert

Congratulations on a successful trade
Due to Cleveland being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Cleveland could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Houston being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Phoenix being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, Phoenix could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
Due to New York being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, New York could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID #6928749

[BasketballFan7]

Who says no:

Cleveland Out:

Kyrie
Love
Shumpert

Cleveland In:

Bledsoe
Chandler
Ryan Anderson
Ariza

Houston Out:

Ryan Anderson
Eric Gordon
Ariza
Tucker
Black
Qi

Houston In:

Melo
Love
Courtney Lee

Phoenix Out

Bledsoe
Chandler

Phoenix In:

Ntilikina
Tucker
Black
Qi
1st Round Pick

New York Out:

Melo
Lee
Ntilikina
1st Round Pick

New York In:

Kyrie
Eric Gordon
Shumpert

Congratulations on a successful trade
Due to Cleveland being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Cleveland could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Houston being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Phoenix being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, Phoenix could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
Due to New York being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, New York could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID #6928749

Kyrie and Love? Cleveland hangs up the phone.

[LakerLegend]

Who says no:

Cleveland Out:

Kyrie
Love
Shumpert

Cleveland In:

Bledsoe
Chandler
Ryan Anderson
Ariza

Houston Out:

Ryan Anderson
Eric Gordon
Ariza
Tucker
Black
Qi

Houston In:

Melo
Love
Courtney Lee

Phoenix Out

Bledsoe
Chandler

Phoenix In:

Ntilikina
Tucker
Black
Qi
1st Round Pick

New York Out:

Melo
Lee
Ntilikina
1st Round Pick

New York In:

Kyrie
Eric Gordon
Shumpert

Congratulations on a successful trade
Due to Cleveland being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Cleveland could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Houston being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Phoenix being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, Phoenix could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
Due to New York being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, New York could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID #6928749

Kyrie and Love? Cleveland hangs up the phone.

They're getting a lot back. A LOT.

Cavs are:

Rose
Bledsoe
James
Anderson
Chandler

Thompson, Ariza, and JR off the bench.

[bake51]

Who says no:

Kyrie and Love? Cleveland hangs up the phone.

They're getting a lot back. A LOT.

Cavs are:

Rose
Bledsoe
James
Anderson
Chandler

Thompson and JR off the bench

Cleveland says no easily in my opinion. Would hate that trade for them.

[BasketballFan7]

Kyrie and Love? Cleveland hangs up the phone.

They're getting a lot back. A LOT.

Cavs are:

Rose
Bledsoe
James
Anderson
Chandler

Thompson and JR off the bench

Cleveland says no easily in my opinion. Would hate that trade for them.

Yeah, four nickels doesn't equal two dimes in the NBA.

[LakerLegend]

Kyrie and Love? Cleveland hangs up the phone.

They're getting a lot back. A LOT.

Cavs are:

Rose
Bledsoe
James
Anderson
Chandler

Thompson and JR off the bench

Cleveland says no easily in my opinion. Would hate that trade for them.

Why though?

Bledsoe averaged:

21/6/5

Chandler:

8/12 and will protect the rim

Anderson:

14/5 an will spread the floor, and we certainly know he can put up better numbers.

Bench is way better with Thompson, Ariza, JR.

[bigfnjoe96]

Who says no:

Cleveland Out:

Kyrie
Love
Shumpert

Cleveland In:

Bledsoe
Chandler
Ryan Anderson
Ariza

Houston Out:

Ryan Anderson
Eric Gordon
Ariza
Tucker
Black
Qi

Houston In:

Melo
Love
Courtney Lee

Phoenix Out

Bledsoe
Chandler

Phoenix In:

Ntilikina
Tucker
Black
Qi
1st Round Pick

New York Out:

Melo
Lee
Ntilikina
1st Round Pick

New York In:

Kyrie
Eric Gordon
Shumpert

Congratulations on a successful trade
Due to Cleveland being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Cleveland could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Houston being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Phoenix being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, Phoenix could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
Due to New York being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, New York could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID #6928749

The Knicks ain't taking on both Gordon and Chumpert's contracts as well as sending out French Sinatra, and a 1st just to move Melo and acquire Kyrie.

We also don't need more Shooting Guards..

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[LakerLegend]

Who says no:

Cleveland Out:

Kyrie
Love
Shumpert

Cleveland In:

Bledsoe
Chandler
Ryan Anderson
Ariza

Houston Out:

Ryan Anderson
Eric Gordon
Ariza
Tucker
Black
Qi

Houston In:

Melo
Love
Courtney Lee

Phoenix Out

Bledsoe
Chandler

Phoenix In:

Ntilikina
Tucker
Black
Qi
1st Round Pick

New York Out:

Melo
Lee
Ntilikina
1st Round Pick

New York In:

Kyrie
Eric Gordon
Shumpert

Congratulations on a successful trade
Due to Cleveland being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Cleveland could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Houston being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Phoenix being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, Phoenix could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
Due to New York being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, New York could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID #6928749

The Knicks ain't taking on both Gordon and Chumpert's contracts as well as sending out French Sinatra, and a 1st just to move Melo and acquire Kyrie.

We also don't need more Shooting Guards..

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Neither of their contracts runs for more than 2 seasons and they are basically swapping Lee for Gordon(which was also needed for the trade to work).