Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[LALifer49]

I'd easily trade murray for kyrie. Do people expect murray to be better? They are both scorers first and foremost only murray would have to far exceed projection to get to where kyrie is. And he's not much bigger than kyrie either, don't know of anything he does better than irving

[NoBias]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y932g9bd

plus a 2020 1st top 10 protected from CHA

I don't really see what this does for CLE, especially with a top 10 protection. Kemba is great but still isn't as good as Kyrie. Batum is ok, but 22million and 4 years left on his contract doesn't help us at all if we have to rebuild, and Batum is not a player that is going to make us really significantly better.

Essentially, that deal maybe, just maybe makes us a little better than this past year, but it further hurts our future if LeBron leaves. We are then stuck with a guy who would in no way help us rebuild well paying Batum for 3 more seasons at far more than he is probably worth. We have enough of that with JR and to an extent TT.

If you could get Batum AND Kemba for KYRIE youd take it and run...

[LakerLegend]

It's going to be hard to get equal value for kyrie when the whole league knows he's demanded a trade and there's bad blood between him and lebron.

[mademan]

It's going to be hard to get equal value for kyrie when the whole league knows he's demanded a trade and there's bad blood between him and lebron.

Theres only 2 owners/managers in the league that I would trust to play hardball and make the Cavs start next season with Lebron-Kyrie, and thats Pat Riley and Dan Gilbert. The Cavs are for sure not getting equal value, but I'm also sure theyre not gonna settle on a lowball offer

[Guest202]

Imagine this.The season ends, Kyrie says "thnx everyone i've been to 3 finals got a ring,but now i need a new challenge.So, let's consider a trade. Cavs would have hade more time and better offers and it could have ended in a simple win-win situation with no drama.

Kyrie's quietly been on the market for the last 13 months -- allegedly.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Last off season this thread would have turned into 40 pages of LeBron v Jordan, now LeBron doesn't even get a mention in his own stories.

[Amsterdam]

Who says no:

Cleveland Out:

Kyrie
Love
Shumpert

Cleveland In:

Bledsoe
Chandler
Ryan Anderson
Ariza

Houston Out:

Ryan Anderson
Eric Gordon
Ariza
Tucker
Black
Qi

Houston In:

Melo
Love
Courtney Lee

Phoenix Out

Bledsoe
Chandler

Phoenix In:

Ntilikina
Tucker
Black
Qi
1st Round Pick

New York Out:

Melo
Lee
Ntilikina
1st Round Pick

New York In:

Kyrie
Eric Gordon
Shumpert

Congratulations on a successful trade
Due to Cleveland being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Cleveland could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Houston being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Phoenix being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, Phoenix could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
Due to New York being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, New York could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID #6928749

We need a starting caliber small forward back in any trade for Carmelo. Shumpert doesnt fit that bill.
Can it be Ariza, Irving and a #1 when it it's all said and done?

[Euroballer]

Last off season this thread would have turned into 40 pages of LeBron v Jordan, now LeBron doesn't even get a mention in his own stories.

Lebron at this point is in the running for top 10 all time.

[Amsterdam]

Last off season this thread would have turned into 40 pages of LeBron v Jordan, now LeBron doesn't even get a mention in his own stories.

Lebron at this point is in the running for top 10 all time.

And now he can't close-in on Bill Russell's 11.

[RCM88x]

Who says no:

Cleveland Out:

Kyrie
Love
Shumpert

Cleveland In:

Bledsoe
Chandler
Ryan Anderson
Ariza

Houston Out:

Ryan Anderson
Eric Gordon
Ariza
Tucker
Black
Qi

Houston In:

Melo
Love
Courtney Lee

Phoenix Out

Bledsoe
Chandler

Phoenix In:

Ntilikina
Tucker
Black
Qi
1st Round Pick

New York Out:

Melo
Lee
Ntilikina
1st Round Pick

New York In:

Kyrie
Eric Gordon
Shumpert

Congratulations on a successful trade
Due to Cleveland being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Cleveland could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Houston being over the cap and having a post-trade Team Salary over the Tax Threshold, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston could not receive more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.
Due to Phoenix being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, Phoenix could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
Due to New York being under the cap and choosing to invoke the Cap Room rule, New York could not go over the cap by more than $100,000 of post-trade Team Salary, which did happen here.
This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID #6928749

We need a starting caliber small forward back in any trade for Carmelo. Shumpert doesnt fit that bill.
Can it be Ariza, Irving and a #1 when it it's all said and done?

Why in God's name would the Cavs make that deal either?

Just because you're able to match salary between a few teams doesn't mean it's a good trade for anyone, lmao.

[Mister Ze]

After reading some of these trade proposals it's clear to me that Irving is underrated.

I used to be in denial but Irving is actually one of the best offensive players in the NBA. Put him on a team built around his game rather than Lebron along with 2-3 other star players and it's easily a contender.

These days 1-2 man teams won't make it to the conference finals without a 3rd option whose also a star.

I hope Irving becomes a Spur - they win the championship EASILY.

[jbk1234]

It's going to be hard to get equal value for kyrie when the whole league knows he's demanded a trade and there's bad blood between him and lebron.

Theres only 2 owners/managers in the league that I would trust to play hardball and make the Cavs start next season with Lebron-Kyrie, and thats Pat Riley and Dan Gilbert. The Cavs are for sure not getting equal value, but I'm also sure theyre not gonna settle on a lowball offer

This.

[RCM88x]

'"If that deal (Bledsoe, Miami first rounder and Jackson) for Irving was there, it'd be done by now," a league source with knowledge of the Cavs' thinking told cleveland.com.'

https://articles.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/07/cavaliers_have_asking_price_fo.amp

[LakerLegend]

It's going to be hard to get equal value for kyrie when the whole league knows he's demanded a trade and there's bad blood between him and lebron.

Theres only 2 owners/managers in the league that I would trust to play hardball and make the Cavs start next season with Lebron-Kyrie, and thats Pat Riley and Dan Gilbert. The Cavs are for sure not getting equal value, but I'm also sure theyre not gonna settle on a lowball offer

This.

Yeah, that would ensure the Cavs doom their own future AND make this season a total disaster, by making both guys pissed off and make plans to bolt town as fast as they could.

Gilbert trying to pull something like that would be a monumental mistake.

[LakerLegend]

'"If that deal (Bledsoe, Miami first rounder and Jackson) for Irving was there, it'd be done by now," a league source with knowledge of the Cavs' thinking told cleveland.com.'

https://articles.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/07/cavaliers_have_asking_price_fo.amp

Uh obviously.

There's reason that offer isn't there though, because they aren't going to get that much for Irving in a million years. He isn't a Westbrook.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Parker, Middleton, 2018 First.

Bucks cash in on their young (but with injury risk) potential, Cleveland get their blue chip prospect, veteren and pick in the package with most upside. But Milwaukee would need a gaurantee from Irving otherwise it's a huge loss for a rental.

[Cavaliers2]

'"If that deal (Bledsoe, Miami first rounder and Jackson) for Irving was there, it'd be done by now," a league source with knowledge of the Cavs' thinking told cleveland.com.'

https://articles.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/07/cavaliers_have_asking_price_fo.amp

Uh obviously.

There's reason that offer isn't there though, because they aren't going to get that much for Irving in a million years. He isn't a Westbrook.

That isn't even close to an offer that would get Westbrook lol

[NBAfan3024]

'"If that deal (Bledsoe, Miami first rounder and Jackson) for Irving was there, it'd be done by now," a league source with knowledge of the Cavs' thinking told cleveland.com.'

https://articles.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/07/cavaliers_have_asking_price_fo.amp

That would be a good package for cavs for sure for a guy wanting out. Doubt any deal includes Jackson though

[Jedi32]

The more I think about Kyrie's desicion to be traded, the more respect he deserves, imo. I completely agree with SAS here:

“Kyrie isn’t saying he’s better than LeBron and should be seen that way. He’s saying he’s not about to let LeBron ‘SON’ him … treating him like he’s the child and LeBron’s the father or big brother he’s supposed to look up to.

“Kyrie knows he’s a franchise-caliber talent. He wants to be treated like it. And he’s tired of hearing about what LeBron needs, and he’s damn sure tired of hearing LeBron sound like he always needs more. As if the crew they have isn’t enough.”

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/kyrie-irving-stephen-a-smith-lebron-james/

You can hate or love it, but right now Kyrie is a real man. He could have it easy and just stay in Cleveland - knowing he will be in the finals again. But he's not playing Lebron's game, because he's probably also leaving the Cavs next year.

Could the Spurs really trade for him? How good would a Spurs Team be with Kyrie? Kawhi Leonard is THE Face in San Antonio. 5% chance that Kyrie would like to go there.

Kyrie and his circle are utterly delusional. It's embarrassing.

Kyrie is an incredibly flawed player and personality. I'm certain LeBron is tired of babysitting him and trying to get him to play the right way. How bad is it? This bad (from last year when LeBron sat out a game):

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/03/kyrie_irving_shows_again_that_hes_not_ready.html

After the game, a few players were puzzled to how their point guard managed to register just one measly assist while playing 39 minutes. They were frustrated, but the win and Irving's huge defensive play lessened the anger.

The notion within the locker room is that the situation is tolerable, because it isn't permanent. If the Cavaliers were dealt the misfortune of playing without James for an extended period of time, this locker room would be boiling over.

Players are growing tired of Irving's inability to not only register a proper amount of assists at the lead guard position, but also to just move the ball.

That's not LeBron saying that, either. Those are other Cavs teammates.

That was one year ago.

Anyone think Kyrie had a miracle make-over in one season?

The more Kyrie and his circle talk, the more respect I lose for him and them. And there wasn't a large surplus to start with.

I have followed the Cavs very closely the last several years. I've seen the issues with Kyrie over and over and over again.

He has improved, but is still FAR from being ready to lead a team. As the title of that linked article states.

Kyrie should not be worried about being "sonned" or any such idiocy. He should be worried about soaking up every possible lesson he can learn from one of the three greatest players who ever lived. He should thank God every day that he got to play with LeBron.

He'll find out soon enough. He had a taste of it before LeBron came back to Ohio, and he's probably headed back to that loser position again soon.

Some people just don't get it.

Kyrie is 25 years old. When Magic was 27 years old and about to take over the team from Kareem (who was around 39 or so), here's how he felt:

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-05-18/sports/sp-358_1_magic-johnson

"I knew it had to start with me," he said. "I had to show everybody I was ready. I had to be an example that I would do whatever it takes to make us a winner."

Compare that with the ingrate's words.

Magic at 27 years old -----> I have to show I'm ready to lead the team and I need to do whatever it takes to help us win

Kyrie at 25 years old ------> Wahhhhhh! LeBron is "sonning" me and I'm mad! I want away from LeBron!

The amount of disgust I feel towards Kyrie about all of this is beyond my ability to convey using words.

There is nothing to respect in what Kyrie is doing now. The only appropriate feelings here are scorn, derision and disbelief.

Carmelo 2. Coming soon to a yet-unidentified team.

Someone posted stats saying Kyrie basically averaged 25/6, if that's true don't you think it's unfair to single out one game where the guy had one assist and act like it's a big deal?

[Mylie10]

'"If that deal (Bledsoe, Miami first rounder and Jackson) for Irving was there, it'd be done by now," a league source with knowledge of the Cavs' thinking told cleveland.com.'

https://articles.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/07/cavaliers_have_asking_price_fo.amp

I was hearing from my sauces that no way would Jackson would be included in any deal for Kyrie. Maybe that is true based on what you posted?