2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[MrDollarBills]

You dudes have learned nothing from the last regime's previous mistakes.

Acquiring a 25 year old superstar is nothing like the past regimes mistakes IMO. Honestly we'd all be ecstatic if DLo turned into 80% of the player that Kyrie is today, and Kyries prime is just beginning. Only thing that worries me is that there's only 2 years left on his deal, but if we can get get him to sign an extension I'm all in.

Yes it is.

At the time that Deron Williams was traded here, he was a superstar level PG.

He was also a malcontent who held the Nets hostage w/ a year and a half left on his deal. That is literally the same damn situation. No thank you. Whoever trades for Irving is doing so at their peril.

[MrDollarBills]

Read on Twitter

Yeah something was up last night. Plumlee was doing the same thing that I was doing, watching Adrien Broner get outboxed by Mikey Garcia.

[Papi_swav]

Read on Twitter

Yeah something was up last night. Plumlee was doing the same thing that I was doing, watching Adrien Broner get outboxed by Mikey Garcia.

Many celebrities was there, I don't think it means anything. Broner did get washed yesterday, he didn't even throw any punches back smh he was looking real scary and careful. I think Broner time is done.

[MrDollarBills]

Read on Twitter

Yeah something was up last night. Plumlee was doing the same thing that I was doing, watching Adrien Broner get outboxed by Mikey Garcia.

Many celebrities was there, I don't think it means anything. Broner did get washed yesterday, he didn't even throw any punches back smh he was looking real scary and careful. I think Broner time is done.

Broner's problem is that he talks a ton of ****, and he doesn't like getting hit so he wasn't going after Garcia. Had he been aggressive with Mikey from the start things might have been different. None of Garcia's punches were hurting him physically, but on the scorecards it was killing him. 3 losses is pretty much the kiss of death for a career if you want to be a headliner.

The sad part is, Broner was focused and in shape for the first time in about 2 years. He actually took the fight serious and ran into someone who is technically better than him. When he actually did get aggressive he busted Garcia's nose open oh well.

[Papi_swav]

Yeah something was up last night. Plumlee was doing the same thing that I was doing, watching Adrien Broner get outboxed by Mikey Garcia.

Many celebrities was there, I don't think it means anything. Broner did get washed yesterday, he didn't even throw any punches back smh he was looking real scary and careful. I think Broner time is done.

Broner's problem is that he talks a ton of ****, and he doesn't like getting hit so he wasn't going after Garcia. Had he been aggressive with Mikey from the start things might have been different. None of Garcia's punches were hurting him physically, but on the scorecards it was killing him. 3 losses is pretty much the kiss of death for a career if you want to be a headliner.

The sad part is, Broner was focused and in shape for the first time in about 2 years. He actually took the fight serious and ran into someone who is technically better than him. When he actually did get aggressive he busted Garcia's nose open oh well.

I agree, it was obvious that he was faster then Garcia, I just don't know why he didn't throw any combos, he literally didnt do anything in that fight and I don't understand how he thinks he can win like that. He just came there for the check, I'm pretty sure this will be his last million dollar check he sees. All he did was try to block Garcia punches and shake his head knowing that will hurt him on the cards and Garcia was being the aggressor. It is sad that he's only 28 and he threw all of his potential down the drain, but oh well thats all his fault no one else. He got addicted to the life and didn't take his career serious.

[Rich Rane]

Not much more in boxing makes me happier too see Broner get completely outclassed.

Anyway, take it to the boxing board and let's get back on topic.

[Aussienet3]

Before Bogut broke his leg. And before Brook was traded. My mail was that Bogut was going to sign a 2 yr $20million deal with us. It was going to be his last pay day before heading home. My question is, since his stock has dropped, are we interested in offering him the mid level exception? or sign him for a 1 yr $5 million deal? I think he is a smart basketball player and can provide us with some good D in the paint. Also he has proved whilst playing with the warriors he doesn't need to score.

Thoughts?

[NyCeEvO]

Before Bogut broke his leg. And before Brook was traded. My mail was that Bogut was going to sign a 2 yr $20million deal with us. It was going to be his last pay day before heading home. My question is, since his stock has dropped, are we interested in offering him the mid level exception? or sign him for a 1 yr $5 million deal? I think he is a smart basketball player and can provide us with some good D in the paint. Also he has proved whilst playing with the warriors he doesn't need to score.

Thoughts?

He should be available for the vet min. He's very injury prone and doesn't really fit in with the quick, athletic pace of the modern game. Maybe a playoff team takes him to be their backup or 3rd string center. But for us, I'd probably rather try to give some young center a chance to find their way (a la Whiteside) rather than bring him in.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

You dudes have learned nothing from the last regime's previous mistakes.

Acquiring a 25 year old superstar is nothing like the past regimes mistakes IMO. Honestly we'd all be ecstatic if DLo turned into 80% of the player that Kyrie is today, and Kyries prime is just beginning. Only thing that worries me is that there's only 2 years left on his deal, but if we can get get him to sign an extension I'm all in.

Yes it is.

At the time that Deron Williams was traded here, he was a superstar level PG.

He was also a malcontent who held the Nets hostage w/ a year and a half left on his deal. That is literally the same damn situation. No thank you. Whoever trades for Irving is doing so at their peril.

I see the parallels in your comparison. But I think its a very different situation with very different management and honestly I don't think Deron was the reason the Nets spiraled out of control and knowing everything now I would still do the Deron Williams trade. I think the problem was mainly the lack of foresight with the Boston trade and managements failure to commit to spending and winning, but you dont need me to talk about recent Nets history and its painful to all of us.

As much as I would like to see Kyrie in a Nets uniform, Ive become less enamored with the idea of trading for him, especially since the asking price is so unreasonably high.

[Ror1997]

Acquiring a 25 year old superstar is nothing like the past regimes mistakes IMO. Honestly we'd all be ecstatic if DLo turned into 80% of the player that Kyrie is today, and Kyries prime is just beginning. Only thing that worries me is that there's only 2 years left on his deal, but if we can get get him to sign an extension I'm all in.

Yes it is.

At the time that Deron Williams was traded here, he was a superstar level PG.

He was also a malcontent who held the Nets hostage w/ a year and a half left on his deal. That is literally the same damn situation. No thank you. Whoever trades for Irving is doing so at their peril.

I see the parallels in your comparison. But I think its a very different situation with very different management and honestly I don't think Deron was the reason the Nets spiraled out of control and knowing everything now I would still do the Deron Williams trade. I think the problem was mainly the lack of foresight with the Boston trade and managements failure to commit to spending and winning, but you dont need me to talk about recent Nets history and its painful to all of us.

As much as I would like to see Kyrie in a Nets uniform, Ive become less enamored with the idea of trading for him, especially since the asking price is so unreasonably high.

MDB isn't arguing that the team collapsed around a failing superstar.

MDB is saying that all terrible moves we made were a result if DWill holding the nets "hostage". DWill knew he could get whatever he wanted because the nets were desperate to keep him in F/A. That's why we traded 4 draft picks for Gerald Wallace and Joe Johnson. Then we made that move with Boston to try an win a championship so our other bad moves wouldn't look so bad.

With Kyrie, we would be in a similar situation. We would be desperate to keep him in F/A (only 2 years away) and we would have to construct a roster to his liking to make sure he doesn't bounce in F/A.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Yes it is.

At the time that Deron Williams was traded here, he was a superstar level PG.

He was also a malcontent who held the Nets hostage w/ a year and a half left on his deal. That is literally the same damn situation. No thank you. Whoever trades for Irving is doing so at their peril.

I see the parallels in your comparison. But I think its a very different situation with very different management and honestly I don't think Deron was the reason the Nets spiraled out of control and knowing everything now I would still do the Deron Williams trade. I think the problem was mainly the lack of foresight with the Boston trade and managements failure to commit to spending and winning, but you dont need me to talk about recent Nets history and its painful to all of us.

As much as I would like to see Kyrie in a Nets uniform, Ive become less enamored with the idea of trading for him, especially since the asking price is so unreasonably high.

MDB isn't arguing that the team collapsed around a failing superstar.

MDB is saying that all terrible moves we made were a result if DWill holding the nets "hostage". DWill knew he could get whatever he wanted because the nets were desperate to keep him in F/A. That's why we traded 4 draft picks for Gerald Wallace and Joe Johnson. Then we made that move with Boston to try an win a championship so our other bad moves wouldn't look so bad.

With Kyrie, we would be in a similar situation. We would be desperate to keep him in F/A (only 2 years away) and we would have to construct a roster to his liking to make sure he doesn't bounce in F/A.

Yea I understand what you guys are saying and I was trying to address that with the fact that our management is different than it was as opposed to Billy "addicted gambler" King ( ).

But I agree with you guys, I would rather have DLo for 6 years guaranteed as opposed to trading him for 2 years of scrambling to please Kyrie.

[Aussienet3]

Before Bogut broke his leg. And before Brook was traded. My mail was that Bogut was going to sign a 2 yr $20million deal with us. It was going to be his last pay day before heading home. My question is, since his stock has dropped, are we interested in offering him the mid level exception? or sign him for a 1 yr $5 million deal? I think he is a smart basketball player and can provide us with some good D in the paint. Also he has proved whilst playing with the warriors he doesn't need to score.

Thoughts?

He should be available for the vet min. He's very injury prone and doesn't really fit in with the quick, athletic pace of the modern game. Maybe a playoff team takes him to be their backup or 3rd string center. But for us, I'd probably rather try to give some young center a chance to find their way (a la Whiteside) rather than bring him in.

Maybe it's the old school in me. But if Mozgov can spread the floor with some 3's, Allen can be brought along as required, I just like to know that I had a decent defender to fall back on if things went pair shaped during a game or the season. Bogut would be a great presence in the locker room as well. I think he fits the character profile the FO are looking for. Having said that I'm not locked into Bogut. I'm just stating a case for him. If FO can find a similar player that can hit the 3 and not cost anymore $3-5 million. I have faith in what they are doing.

[ChokeFasncists]

I wonder if we could get Bogut on a 1 year $5M deal with an agreement that if we aren't close to the playoffs, we'd release him at the deadline to go to a contender. Seems like a win win. He can prove he's still useful while we get deeper at the 5 and have a big body and great locker room leader.

Probably too similar to Moz

Give Mozgov and Bogut 20 minutes each (which is what they've both been getting the last couple of years) and can have the left over 8. By the time the deadline comes around, Allen will have gotten his feet wet, would have been taught some tricks of the trade and can have his minutes expanded to 15 - 20. Probably won't happen, just a thought.

My guess is that Markinson would prefer a stretch/small ball five after Moz/Jar

[ChokeFasncists]

It has to be around atleast 12 per year i'm assuming.

Not sure he's that much better than Acy.

I think he is much better than Acy but that's from an eye test. I'm a fan of his game. But this is all my opinion same as I don't think Crabbe is not a that bad of a defender as he is perceived to be.

How so? Much better maybe, but is he 12 mil per better?

[Vae Victus]

I'd kick the tires on Donatas Motiejunas and see if we can pick him up for 1 year deal. If healthy he'd be the perfect offensively versatile PF/C who can do it all on defense, defensively he's petty bleh, but i think the team can easily weahter the hit. If he's not healthy, eh who cares, he's just a 1 year cheap flier.

Pretty crazy hwo his contrat situation went down, in the end BRK saved alot of money by not obtaining him, due to his injury situation.

[moonpie]

Read on Twitter

[Prokorov]

Acquiring a 25 year old superstar is nothing like the past regimes mistakes IMO. Honestly we'd all be ecstatic if DLo turned into 80% of the player that Kyrie is today, and Kyries prime is just beginning. Only thing that worries me is that there's only 2 years left on his deal, but if we can get get him to sign an extension I'm all in.

Yes it is.

At the time that Deron Williams was traded here, he was a superstar level PG.

He was also a malcontent who held the Nets hostage w/ a year and a half left on his deal. That is literally the same damn situation. No thank you. Whoever trades for Irving is doing so at their peril.

I see the parallels in your comparison. But I think its a very different situation with very different management and honestly I don't think Deron was the reason the Nets spiraled out of control and knowing everything now I would still do the Deron Williams trade. I think the problem was mainly the lack of foresight with the Boston trade and managements failure to commit to spending and winning, but you dont need me to talk about recent Nets history and its painful to all of us.

As much as I would like to see Kyrie in a Nets uniform, Ive become less enamored with the idea of trading for him, especially since the asking price is so unreasonably high.

I tend to agree with this. i dont think the problem was the deron williams trade... I also dont think it was forsight in the boston trade...

I think it was King not having a backbone and throwing crazy assets for gerald wallace (#6 pick and massive contract) and joe johnson (2 firsts and the leagues highest contract). those 2 trades got us an over the hill 1 way player and a fringe allstar while eating all our cap and all our picks.

we surrounded deron with pretty memdiocure talent.

for the boston trade, the trade itself made sense. we filled 3 MAJOR needs (SF/PF, leadership, shooting) to a 49 win team with no cap...

the real downfall of the boston trade wasnt the picks, it was the unprecedented fall from grace for deron, a star under 30 in his prime to go from all-star to backup basically overnight. ive looked, an without major injury could not find another instance of that happening. ever.

So yeah... if we got kyrie irving and then traded all our picks/salary cap for dwayne wade and Tony Allen and then gave allen 4/70 that probably would work out just as crappy as the deron/wallace/joe johnson thing.

and yeah if in 3 years at 28 years old kyrie when from star to bench scrub that would such...

but i dont think those things would be likely. if you have a chance to get a top 15ish player who is 25 you do it no questions asked

[Prokorov]

With Kyrie, we would be in a similar situation. We would be desperate to keep him in F/A (only 2 years away) and we would have to construct a roster to his liking to make sure he doesn't bounce in F/A.

i dont think it is similar... for 2 reasons:

1) kyrie would want to be here... at least moreso then deron who admitted to not being thrilled about being traded to the nets

2) our GM is sean marks, not billy king. I think marks is less likely to make knee-jerk trades or throw tons of picks in massive overpay deals for mediocure players. using the cap space unwisely is a concern with marks... but not overpaying to billy king levels

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie is an incredible player. He may not even be a bad guy like how Deron was. But at this point, I'd rather we stay the course for now with the young guys. That whole situation has soured me on trading for malcontent players on deals about to expire.

I'm going to put my chips in on young Dloading and the boys. and whoever we get in 2019.

[Prokorov]

Kyrie is an incredible player. He may not even be a bad guy like how Deron was. But at this point, I'd rather we stay the course for now with the young guys. That whole situation has soured me on trading for malcontent players on deals about to expire.

I'm going to put my chips in on young Dloading and the boys. and whoever we get in 2019.

Kyrie IS a young guy.

kind of moot though. our entire team and all our picks probably still isnt enough to get him