darealjuice wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Depends on which teams are involved and might make offers. Boston has a lot of assets they could offer including a ton of players. Hard to know if Denver and Minnesota are interested. Minnesota might really think about putting a good offer in since they are on the list and know he'd likely re-sign.
The 21 Miami pick scares me, particularly since we already traded away a pick that became unprotected and might end up being Bagley, Doncic, Porter or Ayton.
If we were hovering around the 8 seed already or if the west wasn't as tough or if GS wasn't dominating everyone I might feel differently.
But if it's just the package you mention without the 21 pick, obviously you can't really pass it up. I just have a hard time thinking they would feel a non lotto pick, TJ (who they'd have to pay next year) and Bledsoe is worth it. From their point of view, it just doesn't seem like much to me. They could lose Bledsoe in a couple of years themselves as well.
I think if Wiggins or Murray are on the table, they'd choose that route along with picks, if they are looking long term. Their first rounders are probably better than Miami's also.
How much damage do you think we could realistically do with this squad in the next two years? Do you think if we don't make the playoffs either year what do you think the odds are he would want to stay, especially if teams like NY, SA, MIN, MIA and more are after him?
According to Woj, official trade offers were made by Suns, Timberwolves, Spurs, Clippers, Knick, and Heat, and I doubt Celtics are looking at Kyrie when they still have IT on a cheap contract. Knicks said KP is off the table, reports of Dragic and Winslow as the Heat offer were denied, Wolves look like they're going to give the max to Wiggins, Clippers supposedly were turned down on their offer of Pat Beverley and DeAndre Jordan, we have Booker and JJ off the table and Bledsoe on the table, and I can't imagine the Spurs being able to beat our offer unless the Cavs really value Aldridge or something.
Eventually this team needs to start winning, you know? There's always going to be other good teams. If all of our young players take steps forward, then we'll see a lot of improvement in the team as a whole. Unless there's we take a major unexpected step forward, it's safe to assume we'll be adding another high lottery pick this year, so that's just more opportunity to add talent. If this team isn't looking like it'll be a playoff contending team in 2 years then we might need to start looking at making a major move, Kyrie here or not.
WOJ or Lowe also said up to 20 teams are monitoring the situation and one of them said Boston and Phoenix are the teams most people think are most capable with their assets to pull off a trade if they want to include some of their good pieces.
I know we have to start winning, but I think because of the age and how raw our PFs are, that we likely won't be that good this year with or without Kyrie. If we trade Bledsoe and Warren, for example, we improve at PG, but still lose 2 of our best 3 players. I do think JJ could possibly play better than TJ this year, though I figured it still might take a year or so to adjust to the league, etc, for him to take the biggest step. I do expect him to adapt quickly, but I just don't see us doing much.
I'm fine taking on Kyrie at the cheap price many think it will take, though I still don't think it makes us THAT much better. Many here expected us to be near 500 anyway...or at least at 35 wins or so. Again, my biggest fear is losing him.
But perhaps that is why Gambo says there is zero chance...because James Jones has told McD he doesn't feel Kyrie will re-sign here. I mean it's pretty clear since he has a list what his preferences are. I guess he could love the Watson atmosphere and family/love approach and think that trumps other things, but that might be wishful thinking on my part.
I guess time will tell. It's pretty rare that a player has clearly made a list where he wants to go and another team trades for him. I mean there was the talk George was going to LA that scared everyone off and OKC didn't take a risk considering they mostly dumped a pretty bad contract and decent rookie for a superstar to join another one...so that was little risk.
If it's Bledsoe, this year's Miami pick and that's it, it's a no brainer with no risk. If you add Warren, it's still pretty close because we may have a limit on what we will pay him and he could get a big offer (though I think the market will be soft outside of superstars next summer).
Sounds like the FO would trade Chriss and/or Bender too considering they haven't made any promises to them that we know about though. Who knows?
