Kyrie Irving 'Tired Of Hearing About What LeBron Needs'

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Re: Kyrie Irving 'Tired Of Hearing About What LeBron Needs' 

Post#61 » by ChokeFasncists » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:51 am

RedBulls23 wrote:This makes sense to me. If you constantly complain about needing more, it shows a lack of confidence in your teammates, especially considering they just came off winning a championship.

It would get annoying for me too if the supposed leader of the team just continuously whined about not having enough help. Whether publicly or privately.

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Post#62 » by ChokeFasncists » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:57 am

EZ GG LOSER wrote:Truth hurts Bitches

Labron I mean Labum is a Cry baby!

I need this, I need that

Labum: I don't believe in super teams don't know what they are? LOL stupd clown

I remember the days where people use to bash Kobe and say he needed Shaq ... Kobe needed Gasol ...

Guess what you whiney turds

Labum needs not 1, but 2 all stars and soon to be 3 allstars beside his name to win - Wade/Bosh, Irving/Love ... Kobe=Shaq, Kobe=Gasol and still won 5 chips and did it in the WEST!

F U Labum

What a chode

What? Shaq was the better player.

Andrew Bynum was an all star, he was just injured afterwards.
Odom could have been an all star, he sacrificed for the team and came off the bench.
MWP was an all star, he could have gone more if he didn't have a temper problem.

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Re: Kyrie Irving 'Tired Of Hearing About What LeBron Needs' 

Post#63 » by Unwell » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:24 pm

How much does Lebron need? Lol! Yo, Golden State was 73-9 without Durant. How much do they need? Everyone in the league needs to be complaining because of what the Warriors were doing. Kyrie is going to be someone's "son" on any contending team because while he is a huge offensive talent, he doesn't make anyone better and he doesn't play defense so he's not going to be a first option on a contending team. If he wants to go back to scoring a lot, being injured all the time and win I g 30 games a season then cool but it's not a Lebron thing and I can't believe people on here talking about Lebron and having enough or Lebron making teammates feel inferior. What did Durant just do to OKC? People hate Lebron more than they like basketball....it clouds opinion and knowledge of the actual game. Kyrie is throwing a tantrum because he doesn't want to be a second option to Lebron. Nothing is wrong with that. What is bad is that he's walking away from max money and competing for a title because he doesn't want to be in someone's shadow...his hero, Kobe Bryant earned the number one spot....he deserved to be a number one. kyrie is more of a 2 and needs to stop talking about Minnesota and the Spurs because Popavich and Tibbs are defensive minded coaches.
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Post#64 » by Donnyxc » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:45 pm

Guys, this is Stephen A Smith talking.
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Re: Kyrie Irving 'Tired Of Hearing About What LeBron Needs' 

Post#65 » by Hoopzilla » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:01 pm

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Hoopzilla wrote:
johnnyballgame wrote:My favorite part of all this is the people saying if LeBron leaves next year Kyrie will be stuck with the players built to play around LeBron. Please tell me, because no one has said, what kind of players does Kyrie need around him?

Are we talking four point guards to pass him the ball and then watch him drive to the hole one on three?
Or just guys who don't care about winning but really want to help Kyrie get a scoring title and a super max?


Allen Iverson scored the ball and couldn't play defense. So you create a team similar to the one that took Iverson to the finals. A team with a lot of very good defenders who can make up for Kyrie's shortcomings and keep the score low enough that the massive output from Kyrie can potentially win them the game. Pretty easy to envision when it has already happened to a player with a similar skill set.


Yeah, and it will only take a decade or two to turn the Knicks into that. As opposed to playing with a bunch of seasoned vets who've made the finals four seasons in a row. All of whom played in the NBA before without LeBron.
If LeBron left they'd have to add a small forward.


Are you new? Have you seen the salary cap and the gutted roster with overpaid contracts. You cannot be that blind unless you just don't want to face reality. It would be stupid for Kyrie to want to stay in Cleveland. Now it is Lebron's problem, since he is the one who designed the roster, he can deal with it. To use your logic, all they need is a point guard and they got D Rose, so i guess they are fine.
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Re: Kyrie Irving 'Tired Of Hearing About What LeBron Needs' 

Post#66 » by Hoopzilla » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:08 pm

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Hoopzilla wrote:
SVG wrote:Tired of hearing what LeBron needs? Was he not on the same team that almost got swept in last years finals. It's obvious the cavs need roster upgrades in order to compete with the Warriors.

Anyways Kyrie will realize the kind of scrub he is after he's dealt to a different team where he's the main focus of the opposing defense and not LeBron. :crazy:


He was the best one on one player in the game, averaged 20 ppg, was an all star, and a three point contest winner. All before he ever stepped on a court with Lebron. He is now three years older with more experience. He will be okay...


Are you sure? He impregnated a gold digger beauty queen, he tried to get out of paying child support (say what you will about the woman, that's his own child), his new girlfriend was sleeping with another man and pictures of dude in his woman's bed made the web, now he's taking advice from the 'pastor' who 'mentors' Bieber. He doesn't seem like he's planned a lot of things out too far ahead. Like doing a bunch of stupid stuff to lower your trade value when you want to be traded. The reports say teams were calling and investigating his character.... that's initially because he's already not looking like a team guy in just demanding a trade (malcontent?)
The latest articles... like this one.. are basically saying he's jealous of LeBron. Jealousy is a pretty childish emotion.


Yes, I am absolutely sure. Every single fact in my above post is 100% correct. Notice how you had absolutely nothing to refute and just went personal and took guesses about Kyrie`s motivation to leave... He quietly went to management , behind closed doors and asked for a trade, so they could get the most value for him in return. Lebron got salty and leaked the trade request, further hurting the Cavs position, but sure, blame Kyre for not being a team player. What do you call a guy who walked away, gave them nothing when he left, came back, gutted the roster, forced management to overpay his friends, refuse to waive his no trade clause (making sure the team will get nothing when he walks away, again), leaks reports of trade requests because he is upset and will leave again next year for greener pastures once again leaving them with absolutely nothing... Oh yeah, you call him the cherry picking pogo stick known as Lebron James. But please, go on and tell me how terrible Kyrie is and look even more stupid...

You have nothing intelligent or fact based to respond with, so you try and get personal about him and make assertions based on reports in the media, really smart. Who do you think carries more weight in the narrative for articles that try and make them look better, Kyrie or Lebron? Lebron uses social media to call out his teammates, whine about the roster, cry to his momma, etc... If you base your assertions on articles and not cold hard facts, you are just buying what they are selling. Grow up and read between the lines and make your own decisions, it is pretty easy to see if you aren`t ignorant to the obvious.
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Post#67 » by Hoopzilla » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:15 pm

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Hoopzilla wrote:
SVG wrote:Tired of hearing what LeBron needs? Was he not on the same team that almost got swept in last years finals. It's obvious the cavs need roster upgrades in order to compete with the Warriors.

Anyways Kyrie will realize the kind of scrub he is after he's dealt to a different team where he's the main focus of the opposing defense and not LeBron. :crazy:


He was the best one on one player in the game, averaged 20 ppg, was an all star, and a three point contest winner. All before he ever stepped on a court with Lebron. He is now three years older with more experience. He will be okay...


Since LBJ has been out when him and love have played together they are 13 and 4??? He also has registered games with zero assists as a PG... He will be fine but he will be winning 35 games or scrapping into playoffs maybe never winning a title again... He is an SG in a PG body... LBJ makes him better this year he was efficient and had his best year ever.. But on his own always controlling the ball that's not going to work...


Allen Iverson`s career and trip to the 2001 Finals prove you wrong there, Kyrie can work as a scorer that doesn`t get assists from the point guard position and have a very successful career. He already has a ring, he can bloat his numbers and be looked back on as a champion and all star with huge individual numbers.

You stance on Kyrie`s record with Lebron out would make more sense if the roster was designed for Kyrie, but it isn`t. It makes sense that the wheels fall off when the player the team is designed for is not on the floor.
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Post#68 » by Hoopzilla » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:24 pm

haste10176 wrote:
Hoopzilla wrote:
nedleeds wrote:Kyrie also led them to two straight lottery number 1 picks. Something LeFlop has never accomplished.


If Lebron didn't leave them in the first place, they would have not fallen out of the top spot in the conference to a position where they could draft Kyrie in the first place. But please, continue to blame Kyrie as the reason for him being on a bad team, really smart. Lebron was the reason they fell into lottery obligatory, no reason to blame Kyrie because he ended up being the first player with talent they has after he left. When Kyrie was ready to lead a winning team, Lebron came back and tore it apart again. I guess you are ready to blame the next player they draft after Lebron leaves again next year for them being so bad once again...


Lebron tore it apart by getting them to three straight finals and winning a championship?? Are you nuts if LBJ did not come back there is a really really good chance Kyrie would never ever win a championship..


How do you know there is a good chance Kyrie would never win a title, can you provide a source that backs it up or is this just you guessing, lol. If Lebron never came back, Kyrie and the young Cavs roster would have been competitive for the next decade. They could have always added a final piece to put them over the top. Before you say that couldn`t happen, remember this was the roster that Lebron left Miami for, it had plenty of talent. Now, it is gutted and the salary cap is destroyed. There is no hope for the future for the Cavs fans. One title is pathetic for cherry picking, at least he got two in Miami, which was still pitiful when he said he was going to win `not one, not two, not three, not four...`
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Post#69 » by TerryTate » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:29 pm

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Post#70 » by PDXKnight » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:43 pm

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Post#71 » by big_hump » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:39 pm

****NEWS FLASH****
The squad isn't enough, you do need more. If your head was outta your arse, you would've seen that. You should look up to him, he is like a big bro, but obviously there is something about LeBron that Kyrie doesn't like. Send him to the wolves, get the player that you never should've traded, and their point.
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Post#72 » by cedric76 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:33 pm

haste10176 wrote:
EZ GG LOSER wrote:Truth hurts Bitches

Labron I mean Labum is a Cry baby!

I need this, I need that

Labum: I don't believe in super teams don't know what they are? LOL stupd clown

I remember the days where people use to bash Kobe and say he needed Shaq ... Kobe needed Gasol ...

Guess what you whiney turds

Labum needs not 1, but 2 all stars and soon to be 3 allstars beside his name to win - Wade/Bosh, Irving/Love ... Kobe=Shaq, Kobe=Gasol and still won 5 chips and did it in the WEST!

F U Labum

What a chode


Kobe had a better coach better front office and a better team than LBJ ever had.. LBJ is better than Kobe on every advanced stat there is and its not even close.. GSW now has 4 all stars but it is the quality of the all stars they have two of the top 4 players in the league and the other two are at least top 10 if not better... Love and Kyrie were losers before LBJ.. LBJ has carried the worst team of all time to finals on his back... Your nuts of course he needs more help to take on the best team of all time.. And lets be clear LBJ's team has only ever been favourite in the finals twice because they have never had depth or a great coach.. Wade was a fading force when LBJ arrived and completely faded when LBJ had left... Shaq won a title with Wade if you remember so Kobe was irrelevant to Shaq.. Shaq was the best player in the finals for those first three championships not Kobe.. Shaq was an absolute beast... LBJ has been the best player in the finals for 6 years but his team has not won and he is elevating them I can tell you that they just are not that good.. Iggy won the MVP one year for stopping Lebron yet LBJ still lead in scoring, assists and rebounds... Same with when Kawhi won MVP for stopping Lebron... Even though once again LBJ was the best player in the finals... And this year he averaged a triple double something never ever done before and unlike westbrick his triple double was efficient.. LBJ has three finals MVP's Kobe has two... They are not in the same league...

Lol

U had me lost at the 1st sentence

LBJ picked his coach and picked the management
As for LBJ being better than kobe, come on LBJ would give anything to have kobe s killer instinct
LBJ is mega talented but he is weak, he always look for the easy path
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Post#73 » by Biff » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:55 pm

Clay Davis wrote:To be fair, he has a point. Lebron & Wade seemed to be on more equal terms than Kyrie & Lebron, despite Kyrie being very instrumental to the Cavs success.


Wade won a championship without Lebron. Cavs were 33-49 the year before Lebron arrived and the Cavs were a better team with Kyrie off the court than with him on it. Ortg of 105 on vs 103.4 off but D rating was 110.1 on vs 104.2 off. So the Cavs were +4.3 when he wasn't playing. Kyrie is massively overrated. He's a score first PG that doesn't make those around him better and is an atrocious defender.
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Post#74 » by Clay Davis » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:56 pm

Biff wrote:
Clay Davis wrote:To be fair, he has a point. Lebron & Wade seemed to be on more equal terms than Kyrie & Lebron, despite Kyrie being very instrumental to the Cavs success.


Wade won a championship without Lebron. Cavs were 33-49 the year before Lebron arrived and the Cavs were a better team with him off the court than with him on it. Ortg of 105 on vs 103.4 off but D rating was 110.1 on vs 104.2 off. So the Cavs were +4.3 when he wasn't playing. Kyrie is massively overrated. He's a score first PG that doesn't make those around him better and is an atrocious defender.

So he wasn't instrumental in their title-run, is what you're saying?

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Post#75 » by hyberx » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:54 pm

fluent wrote:
3Diamantidis wrote:What kind of help they need?
A 13mil contract on JR smith and a new 3year deal for korver?
GS gets players for peanuts, they don't overpay them.
That's the only mistake lebron did.
Get players, but careful with the payroll. It's simple....when(and if) lebron leaves, the cavs will be full of bad contracts.
If durant leaves, GS will be fine. Because they are careful with their salaries and because they do not pick players to suit only one guy.


Actually GS is just in an extremely lucky position. Curry had ankle issues, they signed him to a budget contract. Klay was a high draft pick and turned out extremely well, still under a cheap contract, and Draymond was a late pick that turned into an all-star and great player that I'm sure no one really saw coming. He's also still under the cheap contract. So it was really a perfect storm of luck as well.

Once they have to pay Klay or Draymond things will be different. But they have a couple year window here to just dominate the league.


Fortune favors the prepared.

It happened that the Warriors are also "lucky" enough to have a great owner who cared to buy a pathetic decade-long bottom team with record purchasing price at the time. They are lucky enough that the owner instantly brought in the Logo to instill credibility around the league. They are lucky enough to hire a TV broadcast commentator as rookie coach to turn the team's defensive mentality around and took them into playoff in the West. They are lucky enough to have the guts to fire said commentator just to hire another rookie coach who was a TV broadcast commentator as well. They are lucky enough to have the guts to trade their best player at the time in Monta Ellis for an often injured Bogut and have their owner booed off the court if not for Chris Mullin coming to rescue. They are lucky enough to convince Iguodala to sign with them for less and eventually convinced him to come off the bench. They are lucky enough to sign a journey man in Livingston who played for more teams than you can count, including the Cavs. They are lucky to have picked Curry/Klay/Draymond when several other teams had better chance and yet they developed them to the player that they are today and a perfect system that work for them. They are lucky to have the guts to offer Curry a contract that he was so happy with due to those ankles. They are lucky enough to have the GM ability to convince both Klay and Dray to sign a close to max contract extension despite every darn agents in the league knew about the upcoming big salary jump at that time. They are lucky enough to sign said GM who was a total rookie coming from the agent world and eventually won two GM of the year awards. They are even lucky enough to sign the great MVP JaVale McGee who decided not to play smart basketball until he joined the Warriors.

In case you don't know, they are also lucky enough to pay $2mil for a 2nd round pick they didn't have that turned out to be Patrick McCaw, a rookie who managed to get meaningful minutes through out the playoff and even the Final. He will be a very lucky pick in couple years, likely as the Iggy replacement and even Klay replacement.

Meanwhile, Cavs is lucky enough to have all the 1st overall picks but still sucked until LeBron decided to go back. Eventually they are lucky enough to have Draymond suspended and Bogut injured to get their 1st championship. They are lucky enough to hand over the control to LeGM and gave him everything he wanted, now they are lucky enough to be in this situation with Kyrie.

Yup, such is luck.
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Post#76 » by nedleeds » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:08 pm

Hoopzilla wrote:
nedleeds wrote:Kyrie also led them to two straight lottery number 1 picks. Something LeFlop has never accomplished.


If Lebron didn't leave them in the first place, they would have not fallen out of the top spot in the conference to a position where they could draft Kyrie in the first place. But please, continue to blame Kyrie as the reason for him being on a bad team, really smart. Lebron was the reason they fell into lottery obligatory, no reason to blame Kyrie because he ended up being the first player with talent they has after he left. When Kyrie was ready to lead a winning team, Lebron came back and tore it apart again. I guess you are ready to blame the next player they draft after Lebron leaves again next year for them being so bad once again...


No I'll just blame Kyrie. LeBron left and the Cavs tanked and got Kyrie. He was so completely un-impactful that they got the 4th pick and then the 1st pick 2 more times under his winning ways. Waiters, then Bennett and Wiggins. In those years he never made guys like Thompson much better, he just chucked on a bad team that stayed bad because he isn't an elite point guard. He's a chucker. Thankfully for Cleveland LeFlop decided to grave them with his presence and bring a championship there (and thankfully Draymond Green is a clown and got suspended). He'll force this trade and go chuck away in Phoenix or where ever and much like Starbury before him finish his career in China or somewhere after NBA teams get sick of pampering him and dealing with his act.
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Post#77 » by my2bits » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:47 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:
EZ GG LOSER wrote:Truth hurts Bitches

Labron I mean Labum is a Cry baby!

I need this, I need that

Labum: I don't believe in super teams don't know what they are? LOL stupd clown

I remember the days where people use to bash Kobe and say he needed Shaq ... Kobe needed Gasol ...

Guess what you whiney turds

Labum needs not 1, but 2 all stars and soon to be 3 allstars beside his name to win - Wade/Bosh, Irving/Love ... Kobe=Shaq, Kobe=Gasol and still won 5 chips and did it in the WEST!

F U Labum

What a chode

What? Shaq was the better player.

Andrew Bynum was an all star, he was just injured afterwards.
Odom could have been an all star, he sacrificed for the team and came off the bench.
MWP was an all star, he could have gone more if he didn't have a temper problem.

Phil >>>>>>>> Lue

What? Bynum only avg 7ppg/5rpg in the title runs. MWP made the all-star once in 2004 by the time he joined the Lakers in 2010 he was a shell of himself. Odom was sacrificing for the team in Miami too, huh? Sacrificed for the Clippers too, right? Odom sacrificed for 14 seasons huh?
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Post#78 » by Pickled Prunes » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:43 pm

What Lebron needs you to do is shut up and play ball!

...or get traded... whichever is best for him in the short term.
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Post#79 » by Pickled Prunes » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:45 pm

Donnyxc wrote:Guys, this is Stephen A Smith talking.

NBA news credibility at its lowest!
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Post#80 » by haste10176 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:39 pm

Pickled Prunes wrote:What Lebron needs you to do is shut up and play ball!

...or get traded... whichever is best for him in the short term.


In terms of the cavs whats wrong with that.. Cavs had not won a championship and LBJ brought it home for them... Most other teams will not win one... They would not have won one without LBJ.. LBJ is your best chance of winning one more try everything to make it happen..

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