Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving?

[Mr-Al]

Klay = Booker was just a premature draft comparison from 2015: Watching him play for 30 seconds in the NBA could tell you they're completely different players with different strengths and weaknesses

Right now Booker is old Kobe:With the ball in his hands he'll get you 70pts but isn't playing defense and doesn't have the best shooting percentages

He needs to prove that he can play defense and start playing like younger Kobe

Booker needs the ball in his hands. That's his game. In two years, he's shown that's his game.

Booker has shown more ball-handling acumen and skill than Klay has shown his entire career while Klay is a much superior defender and for now a better shooter

Kyrie has never shown anything close to the willingness to move the ball and pass that Steph has, regardless of their similar assist %'s

Kyrie is just a rich man's Isaiah Thomas, that's it. It will be nothing like the Steph/Klay. Their skills are tailor made for each other

Meanwhile, Booker and Kyrie completely contradict one another


If you relegate Booker to catch-shoots and coming off screens. you're basically just wasting his talent and not putting him in a position to succeed. He needs to the ball in his hands. Obviously Kyrie is a superstar and needs the ball in his hands if you trade for him, as a result Booker and Kyrie simply don't fit in the slightest

Kyrie wants his own team; putting him in a backcourt with another player who thinks he's Kobe and wants to score 70 pts in a game is just setting up Kyrie to start putting his dissatisfaction in the media and pulling the same BS he's pulling in Cleveland right now.

You don't put two Kobe's in the same team

Don't put two Kobes on the same team together? So basically Irving is too good to play with Booker because he is so good?

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No. You don't put a player who wants to take 30 shots and be the clear #1 in a backcourt with another player who wants to take 30 shots

Any scout in the world could tell you right now that Booker is more than a spot-up, coming off screens player. He has an obvious ball-handling, "ball-in-your-hands and create" skillset that he needs to build on and become better at

What happens if you add a Kyrie, a player who just forced himself off another team to be the clear #1, a player who refuses to pass so he can get his 30 shots (which he deserves because he excels in that role) to Booker? Recipe for disaster

[bwgood77]

Just to clarify, how many wins do people think the Suns would get with Kyrie under an iteration of the proposed deal?

I think anything over 35 is a big stretch and realistically we're ending up with a top-10 pick. That includes the addition by subtraction of a certain M. Chriss.

Addition by subtraction? You're saying we'd be better without him?

That aside, you're not seeing the big picture. Irving/Booker/Jackson would be one of the youngest cores in the league. 2020-21.....let's just say I think we'll peak then.

I am seeing the bigger picture. I'm talking about the pick downgrade we'd get this year if we had a full-blown tank without Kyrie vs. a Kyrie led almost-a-tank-but-not-really.

Young teams need to be perpetually acquiring young assets and hoping one of them turns into a star. We can have the best of both worlds with Kyrie.

Maybe..I think we are on that cusp of the bottom 5...like 4th or 5th without Kyrie. If Kyrie makes us better that moves us out of that range a bit (though he might not since Bledsoe has some chemistry with them). There seems to be an elite top 5 in this draft. Either way I guess I'd have no faith in us getting one of those 5 though, so maybe it's a moot point when it comes to that.

But yeah, of course if you think Chriss is addition by subtraction and think we could get Kyrie with just Chriss and the Miami pick with Bledsoe, the yes, it's a no brainer trade.

[JMac1]

I don't think anything could make this fan base happy.

[bwgood77]

Besides they are Booker and Irving are now Instagram friends. social-media connections are the signs of genuine relationships.

That was laugh out loud reading for sure.

[bwgood77]

I wonder if the Pels would trade for Kyrie and start Holiday as a SG.

Suns would get Cousins and his 1-year deal, I would be interested if we're just giving away Bledsoe but obviously Cleveland would need more

I think Tyson and Watson would be great stabilizing forces for Cousins; assuming he would want to extend here; Booker/Jackson/Cousins would potentially work very well together

They already signed Rondo, so assuming he will start, Jrue will basically be the shooting guard. There should be quite a bit of passing going on there.

[matt131]

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[bwgood77]

I don't think anything could make this fan base happy.

I think most everyone was happy to get Jackson in the draft. And the only real insider news I know of regarding Kyrie is that they want Jackson, if not, no deal. So you gotta decide if you're happy we haven't pulled the trigger on that one yet. I am. I see that one vote up there.

[carey]

Anyone know what the waiver order is? I'd love to pick up Diamond Stone.

[bwgood77]

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Honestly, there is no rush for them to do anything quickly. I imagine there is a decent chance nothing happens in the next month. It still wouldn't totally shock me if they went into the season with him.

[bwgood77]

Anyone know what the waiver order is? I'd love to pick up Diamond Stone.

I think we should be second, unless Brooklyn or us made a waiver claim already.

[Moochthemonkey]

Anyone know what the waiver order is? I'd love to pick up Diamond Stone.

agreed, he's a real gem

[starbosa10]

if they're deadset on Jackson I'd hang up the phone

[sunsbum]

7 years of Jackson for 2 years of Kyrie. Kyrie dont want to be here and Booker is the #1 period, the end.

[jredsaz]

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Klay = Booker was just a premature draft comparison from 2015: Watching him play for 30 seconds in the NBA could tell you they're completely different players with different strengths and weaknesses

Right now Booker is old Kobe:With the ball in his hands he'll get you 70pts but isn't playing defense and doesn't have the best shooting percentages

He needs to prove that he can play defense and start playing like younger Kobe

Booker needs the ball in his hands. That's his game. In two years, he's shown that's his game.

Booker has shown more ball-handling acumen and skill than Klay has shown his entire career while Klay is a much superior defender and for now a better shooter

Kyrie has never shown anything close to the willingness to move the ball and pass that Steph has, regardless of their similar assist %'s

Kyrie is just a rich man's Isaiah Thomas, that's it. It will be nothing like the Steph/Klay. Their skills are tailor made for each other

Meanwhile, Booker and Kyrie completely contradict one another


If you relegate Booker to catch-shoots and coming off screens. you're basically just wasting his talent and not putting him in a position to succeed. He needs to the ball in his hands. Obviously Kyrie is a superstar and needs the ball in his hands if you trade for him, as a result Booker and Kyrie simply don't fit in the slightest

Kyrie wants his own team; putting him in a backcourt with another player who thinks he's Kobe and wants to score 70 pts in a game is just setting up Kyrie to start putting his dissatisfaction in the media and pulling the same BS he's pulling in Cleveland right now.

You don't put two Kobe's in the same team

Don't put two Kobes on the same team together? So basically Irving is too good to play with Booker because he is so good?

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No. You don't put a player who wants to take 30 shots and be the clear #1 in a backcourt with another player who wants to take 30 shots

Any scout in the world could tell you right now that Booker is more than a spot-up, coming off screens player. He has an obvious ball-handling, "ball-in-your-hands and create" skillset that he needs to build on and become better at

What happens if you add a Kyrie, a player who just forced himself off another team to be the clear #1, a player who refuses to pass so he can get his 30 shots (which he deserves because he excels in that role) to Booker? Recipe for disaster

I think both players can play with the ball in their hand. I think both players can play off the ball. I feel that way about Jackson too. Actually, to a lesser extent, I feel that way about Bender.

What you are assuming is that neither Irving or Booker would/could refine their games to play well along side eachother (and Jackson) for the betterment of the team. Im not buying that as a certainy. Is it possible that they can't work it out? Yes, but its not a given. I think it is just as likely if not more likely that they can play well along side eachother.

[DirtyDez]

Irving, Ulis
Booker, JJ, Reed
JJ, Warren, Jones
Warren, Bender
Chander/Len, Williams

It's hard to imagine that team being bottom-5 with the upgrade at point and Booker/Warren improving off last year. If if Jackson isn't getting huge minutes he's still a huge positive over Jones and there's already reports of Ulis putting on weight. TheSuns were competitive in a lot of games last year while management was blatantly tanking. The west will be rough but it's possible a few playoff teams take a step back.

[Kerrsed]

Anyone know what the waiver order is? I'd love to pick up Diamond Stone.

agreed, he's a real gem

I once nailed a stripper one that had the name Diamond Stone. She was the exact opposite of a very large black man.

I also went to HS with a girl name Crystal Diamond. Like for real, that was her real birth name.

[jredsaz]

Irving, Ulis
Booker, JJ, Reed
JJ, Warren, Jones
Warren, Bender
Chander/Len, Williams

It's hard to imagine that team being bottom-5 with the upgrade at point and Booker/Warren improving off last year. If if Jackson isn't getting huge minutes he's still a huge positive over Jones and there's already reports of Ulis putting on weight. TheSuns were competitive in a lot of games last year while management was blatantly tanking. The west will be rough but it's possible a few playoff teams take a step back.

I agree. And Shump or Frye in a bench role, if one or both are included, would improve them more. In the end I think does come down to Booker. Can he take the next step in his third year? Become a near average defender, improved efficiency, they could be good.

[Moochthemonkey]

Kyrie for Bledsoe/Chriss/Miami 1st is essentially

Kyrie & a Miami 1st for Dudley/Scola/disgruntled Markieff Morris/disgruntled Goran Dragic if you trace back the trade far enough

[ATTL]

The poll is 42 to 1 right now to not trade JJ for kyrie. Im hopeful the suns are thinking the same. This isn't fun anymore, I want the cavs to **** or get off the pot.

[DRK]

Yeah, not gonna move Jackson for Kyrie. I think Bledsoe, Miami Pick and TJ or Chriss is more than generous.

Poop or get off the can, Cavs.