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We need a starting PF 

Post#1 » by Canadafan » Tue Aug 1, 2017 2:08 am

We pretty much have 4 starting calibre players. Drummond and Reggie even though they're not the most popular around here. Tobias and Bradley.
Ish Galloway SJ Leuer Boban are bench guys.
Maybe SJ makes a leap this year?
Kennard and Ellenson are pretty unknown right now.
:banghead: we need a PF :( .
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Re: We need a starting PF 

Post#2 » by Mogolo » Tue Aug 1, 2017 2:39 am

I think we all agree with that. Tolliver and Leuer are fine coming off the bench.
So what do we need? A PF that can shoot 35%+, rebound a little and provide some help defense. any ideas?(and no not Rasheed Wallace :()

Even if SJ makes the leap we all want him too, the 4 will still be our weak spot If Tobias is the starting 4, He needs to be our 3.
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Re: We need a starting PF 

Post#3 » by joedumars1 » Tue Aug 1, 2017 2:51 am

Avery Bradley is a mfing starter in this NBA league I've heard about
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Post#4 » by coordinator0 » Tue Aug 1, 2017 2:53 am

Power forward is a dying position. At least in the sense of a bigger forward playing with a center on the floor. Even the stretch guys aren't particularly useful if they aren't mobile... which very few actually are in a relevantly functional regard.

I know it feels like beating a dead horse both in saying and reading this but smaller/more mobile is the way to go. Because teams that actually do embrace it will and have run circles around the more traditional lineups. That's why they started to emerge in the first place. And the game isn't going back to the way it was unless rules changes are implemented and/or retracted. Which isn't happening. Sucks for guys like Ellenson, but it is what it is. I don't think he's much more than a ninth or eighth man in a rotation type anyways but that might be the ceiling for most like him going forward anyways. Unless they can adapt and play some center. That requires instincts at the rim though. Not sure if Henry has them.

Harris is about what you want at the four right now. The ideal skillset will vary based on a particular point of view but physically and athletically he's close to the mold. That's not to say that the Pistons don't need another starting caliber forward, because they do since Johnson hasn't proven much besides defense yet, but it is time to let him sink or swim. And now that he can play real minutes at his ideal position/role there's no better time to test him. To me it's too early to start buying in on "needing" another forward unless some blatantly obvious upgrade becomes available.
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Post#5 » by Canadafan » Tue Aug 1, 2017 3:03 am

Then we need a guy like Marvin Williams. Maybe I should have stated we need a starting forward. Cause like you said coordinator, the traditional PF is dead.
I envision Tobias starting at SF and then sliding over to PF to allow SJ roughly 30 minutes per game off the bench.
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Re: We need a starting PF 

Post#6 » by Mogolo » Tue Aug 1, 2017 3:03 am

joedumars1 wrote:Avery Bradley is a mfing starter in this NBA league I've heard about



Not really sure I understand what you just said or what you are trying to say.

If your saying Bradley is a starter and op left him off the list, well op put him on the list.

If your saying Bradley is a starting PF well then.. No

If your drunk posting then nevermind carry on :)



So you guys are saying we need a versitle Defensive Foward like a Rodman, Pippen
I added the Defensive part
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Post#7 » by coordinator0 » Tue Aug 1, 2017 3:27 am

Canadafan wrote:Then we need a guy like Marvin Williams. Maybe I should have stated we need a starting forward. Cause like you said coordinator, the traditional PF is dead.
I envision Tobias starting at SF and then sliding over to PF to allow SJ roughly 30 minutes per game off the bench.


Yeah, I don't disagree with that but at the same time the Pistons have the perfect opportunity to really see what they have in Johnson. There isn't a better time so they might as well roll with him for ~30 minutes a night for a while. If he flops, oh well go after a forward then. If not great, they're sitting nicely at the three and four.

I wouldn't make a move right now unless something really obvious presents itself like I said before. At this point in the summer that's not likely to happen, but who knows what the eventual Kyrie could do for a team or three.
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Re: We need a starting PF 

Post#8 » by Canadafan » Tue Aug 1, 2017 3:35 am

coordinator0 wrote:
Canadafan wrote:Then we need a guy like Marvin Williams. Maybe I should have stated we need a starting forward. Cause like you said coordinator, the traditional PF is dead.
I envision Tobias starting at SF and then sliding over to PF to allow SJ roughly 30 minutes per game off the bench.


Yeah, I don't disagree with that but at the same time the Pistons have the perfect opportunity to really see what they have in Johnson. There isn't a better time so they might as well roll with him for ~30 minutes a night for a while. If he flops, oh well go after a forward then. If not great, they're sitting nicely at the three and four.

I wouldn't make a move right now unless something really obvious presents itself like I said before. At this point in the summer that's not likely to happen, but who knows what the eventual Kyrie could do for a team or three.


So you'd start SJ at the 3 and Tobias at the 4? Maybe Bullock gets some minutes at SF too.
Our season really does have a lot of "if's". The biggest one is if SJ can have a breakthrough year. We need him to really shine
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Post#9 » by bstein14 » Tue Aug 1, 2017 3:36 am

I feel like this would have been a really good team for us.

C: Dre/Baynes
PF: All-Star Caliber PF that can shoot/Leuer
SF: Harris/Stanley
SG: Bradley/Galloway
PG: Jackson/Smith

We still could be weak at backup C with Boban having to play heavy minutes in the 4th if teams Hack A Dre us. It really feels like we should have kept Baynes. Of course we aren't going to be getting an all-star caliber PF without giving up some assets so that lineup is never going to happen for us.
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Post#10 » by coordinator0 » Tue Aug 1, 2017 3:59 am

Canadafan wrote:So you'd start SJ at the 3 and Tobias at the 4? Maybe Bullock gets some minutes at SF too.
Our season really does have a lot of "if's". The biggest one is if SJ can have a breakthrough year. We need him to really shine


Pretty much. And yeah I'd like to see Bullock get some minutes. He's a decent player when healthy. It's just a shame that's rarely been the case for him with the Pistons.

Another thing that ties into that is I don't think adding another forward (that isn't a huge upgrade) really affects Detroit's playoff chances all that much. They're looking like a team that has a good chance of getting to the postseason as they are now (assuming Jackson bounces just halfway back) given how weak the East is. It's not a style of basketball that I'm a fan of, but it should be one decent enough to get them into the playoffs. I'm not expecting much after that but that wouldn't change even if the Pistons added someone like, for example, Wilson Chandler. Just see what Johnson can do before the trade deadline and then go from there.
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Post#11 » by bjones521 » Tue Aug 1, 2017 4:14 am

Guys the 4 is A DYING position in todays NBA where you need guys that can dribble, pass and shoot.If your 4 can't punish smaller guys you put on him (Anthony davis, KLove, Milsap) Then he better be able to dribble pass and shoot. Tobias is perfect for todays 4. He can do all 3 avg to above avg. There aren't too many 4's I'd want over Tobias. But if SVG decides to play Lueur at the 4, (a guy that can't do any of the above) and start Tobias at the 3 then we are screwed.
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Re: We need a starting PF 

Post#12 » by joedumars1 » Tue Aug 1, 2017 4:18 am

Mogolo wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:Avery Bradley is a mfing starter in this NBA league I've heard about



Not really sure I understand what you just said or what you are trying to say.

If your saying Bradley is a starter and op left him off the list, well op put him on the list.

If your saying Bradley is a starting PF well then.. No

If your drunk posting then nevermind carry on :)



So you guys are saying we need a versitle Defensive Foward like a Rodman, Pippen
I added the Defensive part

Missed that. He put a period after rj and dre, he didn't lump together Tobias and Avery. My bad. I need better reading comprehension, lol. Should've re read it
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Re: We need a starting PF 

Post#13 » by whitehops » Tue Aug 1, 2017 4:18 am

i think a more accurate statement would be that we need a starting/proven SF. harris has the versatility to play both the 3 and 4 and will play whatever position gets the best forward on the court with him, but he's better at the 4. leuer is a solid backup 4 if he can play close to the way he did to start last year and tolliver is solid as a third string PF. it's the 3 where we could potentially be very weak.

if we hypothetically started harris at the 3 and leuer at the 4, then we'd be so vulnerable to the talented wing players in the league. lebron, paul george, durant, giannis, etc. bradley will likely guard the better opposing guard but he can't defend the players i mentioned for the whole game. harris and leuer would get absolutely roasted, which leaves SJ to guard those guys for heavy minutes.

i wouldn't be surprised if SJ took morris' minutes and defensive role for the most part. how he does offensively is still be seen but it would be a lot more comforting going into the season with a SF capable of doing what morris provided. SJ could do that, but he would have to take a massive leap from what he showed us last year.
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Post#14 » by DETermination » Tue Aug 1, 2017 4:56 am

Henry will earn the starting spot halfway through the season and put up 16 ppg 40% from 3 numbers
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Post#15 » by Kstegall21 » Tue Aug 1, 2017 5:00 am

whitehops wrote:i think a more accurate statement would be that we need a starting/proven SF. harris has the versatility to play both the 3 and 4 and will play whatever position gets the best forward on the court with him, but he's better at the 4. leuer is a solid backup 4 if he can play close to the way he did to start last year and tolliver is solid as a third string PF. it's the 3 where we could potentially be very weak.

if we hypothetically started harris at the 3 and leuer at the 4, then we'd be so vulnerable to the talented wing players in the league. lebron, paul george, durant, giannis, etc. bradley will likely guard the better opposing guard but he can't defend the players i mentioned for the whole game. harris and leuer would get absolutely roasted, which leaves SJ to guard those guys for heavy minutes.

i wouldn't be surprised if SJ took morris' minutes and defensive role for the most part. how he does offensively is still be seen but it would be a lot more comforting going into the season with a SF capable of doing what morris provided. SJ could do that, but he would have to take a massive leap from what he showed us last year.


I agree. I would much rather start Tobias at the 4. What about trading Leuer to Orlando for Terrance Ross? Orlando only has Aaron Gordon and Mo Speights at the PF position and they have a log jam at the wing.
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Post#16 » by sc8581 » Tue Aug 1, 2017 5:18 am

Harris is a PF, we need a SF with some length that can shoot and defend, a guy similar to Prince would probably be ideal
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Post#17 » by Pharaoh » Tue Aug 1, 2017 10:03 am

SJ is entering his 3rd season so it's now or never IMO

Dre - Harris - SJ - AB - RJ

There's your starters

Jon, Tolliver, Galloway and Ish the next group

Bobo, Henry & Luke fight for minutes.


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Post#18 » by tradez401 » Tue Aug 1, 2017 10:15 am

this should be our lineup

reggie/ish/galloway
ab/galloway/kennard
johnson/harris/bullock
harris/leuer/henry+tolliver
dre/boban/moreland
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Re: We need a starting PF 

Post#19 » by dVs33 » Tue Aug 1, 2017 10:58 am

Pharaoh wrote:SJ is entering his 3rd season so it's now or never IMO

Dre - Harris - SJ - AB - RJ

There's your starters

Jon, Tolliver, Galloway and Ish the next group

Bobo, Henry & Luke fight for minutes.


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I think this gives us the best chance. Leuer and Tolliver can back Harris up depending on match ups
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Post#20 » by Pharaoh » Tue Aug 1, 2017 11:11 am

dVs33 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:SJ is entering his 3rd season so it's now or never IMO

Dre - Harris - SJ - AB - RJ

There's your starters

Jon, Tolliver, Galloway and Ish the next group

Bobo, Henry & Luke fight for minutes.


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I think this gives us the best chance. Leuer and Tolliver can back Harris up depending on match ups

The good thing about starting Harris & SJ is that we're starting to see a better balanced unit:

O: RJ, Harris
D: AB, SJ
?: Dre

Assume Jon is first off the bench - we can go big or small with him on the floor depending on if he's replacing SJ, Tobias or Dre

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