Is the starting SF spot up for grabs?

[JBSouthpaw]

I was reading one of the blog articles talking about how good it would be to have the same coach, and I was thinking, it's going to be nice to have the same starting five we ended the season with. But is that correct? Did they bring in Simmons to start? What about Isaac?
Ross-the incumbent...barely.
Simmons- the FA addition
Herzonja- the player ready to turn the corner?
Isaac- ride with the young buck?

What is best for the team?

Isaac will for sure get some time at the 4, but I think he could get 10 min a game next to AG.

Add in Evan with Ross, Simmons and Herzonja, could they split the other 86 min on the wings?

Seems a bit crowded.

[The Real Dalic]

It is up for grabs and it's most likely gonna be between Ross and Simmons fighting for the spot in training camp and preseason.

[JBSouthpaw]

It is up for grabs and it's most likely gonna be between Ross and Simmons fighting for the spot in training camp and preseason.

You think Isaac will get a look at the SF position at all?

[Patrick1978]

Imo simmons will be starter at the 3 with isaac backing him up.few months into the season a bulked up isaac will be starting at the 3 with simmons sliding to the 2.
I suppose the fo will trade ross before the deadline to a contending team who looks for scoring of the bench.
Also i hope the Coach will sometimes run a Lineup of mack/simmons/hezonja/isaac/gordon.
Would be interesting.

[Nemesis21]

I'd like to see,

Payton/Mack
Ross/Fournier/AA
Simmons/Hezonja
AG/Issac
Vuc/Biz/Speights


Break up the Vuc/Fournier bromance.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I would imagine that all players will have to earn their starting spot. I think it'll be between Ross and Simmons with Mario getting spot minutes as a third string 2/3. Payton, Fournier, Simmons, AG, and Vuc are our starters unless there's a trade.

[The Real Dalic]

It is up for grabs and it's most likely gonna be between Ross and Simmons fighting for the spot in training camp and preseason.

You think Isaac will get a look at the SF position at all?

I think that, for this year, we'll only see Isaac at the 4 behind Gordon on about 12-15 minutes per game. I know that sucks, but if our past few years has shown us anything, it's that we bring our rookies along slowly.

[magicman112]

It is up for grabs and it's most likely gonna be between Ross and Simmons fighting for the spot in training camp and preseason.

You think Isaac will get a look at the SF position at all?

I think that, for this year, we'll only see Isaac at the 4 behind Gordon on about 12-15 minutes per game. I know that sucks, but if our past few years has shown us anything, it's that we bring our rookies along slowly.

If Isaac can knock down shots like he did in college (he knocked down some nice ones in SL too) he definitely can see some time at the 3 spot. He'd be a match up nightmare for most 3s that would be guarding him.

[The Real Dalic]

You think Isaac will get a look at the SF position at all?

I think that, for this year, we'll only see Isaac at the 4 behind Gordon on about 12-15 minutes per game. I know that sucks, but if our past few years has shown us anything, it's that we bring our rookies along slowly.

If Isaac can knock down shots like he did in college (he knocked down some nice ones in SL too) he definitely can see some time at the 3 spot. He'd be a match up nightmare for most 3s that would be guarding him.

I know he can play at the 3, I'm just saying what I expect Vogel will do with Isaac this season. I don't think we're going to see as much of as Isaac as we all want. We now also have Simmons, Ross, Hezonja, Afflalo, and Fournier who can also play the 3, I'm not expecting to see much of Isaac there unless there's a trade or two, or injuries.

[OrlandoNed]

I think that, for this year, we'll only see Isaac at the 4 behind Gordon on about 12-15 minutes per game. I know that sucks, but if our past few years has shown us anything, it's that we bring our rookies along slowly.

If Isaac can knock down shots like he did in college (he knocked down some nice ones in SL too) he definitely can see some time at the 3 spot. He'd be a match up nightmare for most 3s that would be guarding him.

I know he can play at the 3, I'm just saying what I expect Vogel will do with Isaac this season. I don't think we're going to see as much of as Isaac as we all want. We now also have Simmons, Ross, Hezonja, Afflalo, and Fournier who can also play the 3, I'm not expecting to see much of Isaac there unless there's a trade or two, or injuries.

I think Isaac will get very little time at SF this year. Right now we have a ton of guys who can play SF, but only 2 who can play PF, Gordon and Isaac. Maybe 3 with Hezonja.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I think that, for this year, we'll only see Isaac at the 4 behind Gordon on about 12-15 minutes per game. I know that sucks, but if our past few years has shown us anything, it's that we bring our rookies along slowly.

If Isaac can knock down shots like he did in college (he knocked down some nice ones in SL too) he definitely can see some time at the 3 spot. He'd be a match up nightmare for most 3s that would be guarding him.

I know he can play at the 3, I'm just saying what I expect Vogel will do with Isaac this season. I don't think we're going to see as much of as Isaac as we all want. We now also have Simmons, Ross, Hezonja, Afflalo, and Fournier who can also play the 3, I'm not expecting to see much of Isaac there unless there's a trade or two, or injuries.

I think we need to pace ourselves with the ji can play the 3 stuff. I personally dont think he'll be a "nightmare" for most SF's to guard. He may be a nightmare for them as a defender, but not offense, not yet I hope.

[magicman112]

If Isaac can knock down shots like he did in college (he knocked down some nice ones in SL too) he definitely can see some time at the 3 spot. He'd be a match up nightmare for most 3s that would be guarding him.

I know he can play at the 3, I'm just saying what I expect Vogel will do with Isaac this season. I don't think we're going to see as much of as Isaac as we all want. We now also have Simmons, Ross, Hezonja, Afflalo, and Fournier who can also play the 3, I'm not expecting to see much of Isaac there unless there's a trade or two, or injuries.

I think we need to pace ourselves with the ji can play the 3 stuff. I personally dont think he'll be a "nightmare" for most SF's to guard. He may be a nightmare for them as a defender, but not offense, not yet I hope.

I mean he would be if he can get it going offensively, but agreed it's not too likely this season.

[PennytoShaq]

With Ross and Evan at SG and SF, the Magics offense was in the top half of the league in ortg. So I am curious if that continues, or if Simmons works his way in. Ross and Evan are not SFs. They are both SGs when it comes to defense. Simmons is much better built to defend SFs , but he can't shoot like those guys. So it will be interesting to see how it shakes out. Add that Afflalo is here now, and that is 3 SGs.

I think Isaac will see time at 3 positions this year. It will be a fluid lineup.

I also have not written off Isaac working his way into the SL at some point. Not sure where yet, but I'd like to see if AG gets slid down to the 5 for stretches, because he can defend C's.

[Statlanta]

SF spot is up for grabs via Training Camp but I doubt Isaac, Iwundu or Mario gets in on that action. I think both Simmons and Afflalo came here for that starting position to get that spot and I only think Fournier would be opposed to that if he were beat out.

I also doubt Isaac sees C time unless serious injuries occur there.

[j-ragg]

If Isaac can knock down shots like he did in college (he knocked down some nice ones in SL too) he definitely can see some time at the 3 spot. He'd be a match up nightmare for most 3s that would be guarding him.

I know he can play at the 3, I'm just saying what I expect Vogel will do with Isaac this season. I don't think we're going to see as much of as Isaac as we all want. We now also have Simmons, Ross, Hezonja, Afflalo, and Fournier who can also play the 3, I'm not expecting to see much of Isaac there unless there's a trade or two, or injuries.

I think we need to pace ourselves with the ji can play the 3 stuff. I personally dont think he'll be a "nightmare" for most SF's to guard. He may be a nightmare for them as a defender, but not offense, not yet I hope.

I agree. I think he can hit a spot up three, but I don't see him putting the ball on the floor successfully against SFs that much this year. Hopefully I'm wrong.

[Patrick1978]

I expect isaac to be a starter january come

[JAY DASH]

You think Isaac will get a look at the SF position at all?

I think that, for this year, we'll only see Isaac at the 4 behind Gordon on about 12-15 minutes per game. I know that sucks, but if our past few years has shown us anything, it's that we bring our rookies along slowly.

If Isaac can knock down shots like he did in college (he knocked down some nice ones in SL too) he definitely can see some time at the 3 spot. He'd be a match up nightmare for most 3s that would be guarding him.

Yeah I think people are thinking Isaac will get the Mario treatment, but they don't understand that Isaac can do more on the court to warrant early PT off the bench. They will definitely play him alongside AG for a stretch as he was drafted to compliment AG longterm. I'm not expecting Isaac to play huge minutes but by the All-Star Break I'd say 20 minutes off the bench is likely if he can make an immediate impact on the boards. Which has been a strength of his since I started watching him.

As far as the starting five, I pretty much agree with everyone else that it will be between Ross and Simmons. Juice is the only SG that can defend elite SF's. I'm not so much worried about the starting five though. We're a team that will be trying some different rotations I'm sure. There's going to be a lot of competition this year to see who is part of our future plans and who isn't, so I expect effort levels to be a lot higher than the past few years.

[OrlandO]

Well Vogel is still coach, so I'd say almost every position is up for grabs... if he had a hard time differentiating starters and bench players with the last group he's going to have an even harder time this year. I'm expecting to start with the same lineup we ended with last season, but who knows how long before vogel starts tinkering...

[PennytoShaq]

I think that, for this year, we'll only see Isaac at the 4 behind Gordon on about 12-15 minutes per game. I know that sucks, but if our past few years has shown us anything, it's that we bring our rookies along slowly.

If Isaac can knock down shots like he did in college (he knocked down some nice ones in SL too) he definitely can see some time at the 3 spot. He'd be a match up nightmare for most 3s that would be guarding him.

Yeah I think people are thinking Isaac will get the Mario treatment, but they don't understand that Isaac can do more on the court to warrant early PT off the bench. They will definitely play him alongside AG for a stretch as he was drafted to compliment AG longterm. I'm not expecting Isaac to play huge minutes but by the All-Star Break I'd say 20 minutes off the bench is likely if he can make an immediate impact on the boards. Which has been a strength of his since I started watching him.

As far as the starting five, I pretty much agree with everyone else that it will be between Ross and Simmons. Juice is the only SG that can defend elite SF's. I'm not so much worried about the starting five though. We're a team that will be trying some different rotations I'm sure. There's going to be a lot of competition this year to see who is part of our future plans and who isn't, so I expect effort levels to be a lot higher than the past few years.

Agree. That is what surprised me about some people here during summer league. They got excited about guys having big scoring games, but I'd like to see how many guys showed the complete game that Isaac had. The guy is already a difference maker on the defensive end.

When you have a player who can cover the perimeter and the paint almost at the same time, that guy is going to get minutes. His weakside D is already scary good for his age and experience level. And then his offense is so efficient. He put up 16 points in around 12 minutes. He had one bad shooting day but recovered from that with ease. This is a guy who can score 16 points without needing a lot of shots. So you add that with his defense and you are looking at a player that the Magic simply did not have on the roster last year.

We are used to seeing insane inefficiency. Vuc and Evan jacking up shots to maybe get 18 points a game. Also, Vogel plays rookies who can pay defense. He showed this with Miles Turner. He is not going to bury a guy like Isaac. It will not happen unless Isaac has asthma flare ups or something like that. You give Isaac 20 minutes a night and he will possibly score 16 depending on how the offense is constructed,

[tiderulz]

I think that, for this year, we'll only see Isaac at the 4 behind Gordon on about 12-15 minutes per game. I know that sucks, but if our past few years has shown us anything, it's that we bring our rookies along slowly.

If Isaac can knock down shots like he did in college (he knocked down some nice ones in SL too) he definitely can see some time at the 3 spot. He'd be a match up nightmare for most 3s that would be guarding him.

Yeah I think people are thinking Isaac will get the Mario treatment, but they don't understand that Isaac can do more on the court to warrant early PT off the bench. They will definitely play him alongside AG for a stretch as he was drafted to compliment AG longterm. I'm not expecting Isaac to play huge minutes but by the All-Star Break I'd say 20 minutes off the bench is likely if he can make an immediate impact on the boards. Which has been a strength of his since I started watching him.

As far as the starting five, I pretty much agree with everyone else that it will be between Ross and Simmons. Juice is the only SG that can defend elite SF's. I'm not so much worried about the starting five though. We're a team that will be trying some different rotations I'm sure. There's going to be a lot of competition this year to see who is part of our future plans and who isn't, so I expect effort levels to be a lot higher than the past few years.

except the FO has said to not expect Isaac to get a lot of early playing time