Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving?

[ryanball]

With Kyrie publicly saying he won't sign with an extension with any team that trades for him I'm leaning towards not trading for him, unless the package deal isn't too much. The reason I say this is because we have been the number 1 team rumored to get him, so it's almost a diss at the Suns specifically. To me, this is completely different than him having four teams he wants to go to because it appears in my opinion, he is targeting the Suns and telling us not to trade for him basically.
Now, I would still likely trade Bledsoe Miami 2018 1st, Jones Jr/Reed to get him, but I doubt that gets it done. I'd even go as far as giving them a pick swap with our pick though our pick is top 10 protected.

Eh, could just be reading too much into this report.

I could just as reasonably speculate that he actually does want to come here. By signaling publicly that he won't commit long-term, he scares away other teams or reduces their offers which thereby puts us, his preferred team, in a much better position.

[sunwillrise0304]

several days ago, mcd said suns can trade for any of the three all stars traded in the past sixth months.

deal not done partly because the cost is too high and the players' contract sitution
irving trade talk also has these two concerns not mentioning the fit with our young core

mcd,please end the trade talk , no need irving to destroy our chemistry

[JJ13]

Chemistry? What chemistry? We won 30 games last year, if that? Many games were painful to watch. Irving has never been a locker room cancer or distraction, in 7 years as pro. We'd be trading an aging talented PG for a younger more talented Pg, potentially with a late lotto pick (warren) and 15+ pick next yr (MIA). We are not resigning Warren or Bledsoe, get value for them while you can and potentially a star to help draw other stars. Crazy how many people are whining about this

[Mulhollanddrive]

Also McDonough is in a comfy spot with a 3 year deal and no pressure to win.

That all changes if we get Irving, he's back to having PG drama and competing for the 8th seed.

[JJ13]

Also McDonough is in a comfy spot with a 3 year deal and no pressure to win.

That all changes if we get Irving, he's back to having PG drama and competing for the 8th seed.

How many teams went from last place in the conference to top 3 seed the next year. There's a different between competing for 8 seed on the way to a 1-3 seed than consistently competing for an 8 seed. Kyrie has the chance to have us competing for an 8 seed on the way to a 1-3 seed in 3-5 years. Giving up Bledsoe/warren/Mia pick are worth the risk

[sunwillrise0304]

Chemistry? What chemistry? We won 30 games last year, if that? Many games were painful to watch. Irving has never been a locker room cancer or distraction, in 7 years as pro. We'd be trading an aging talented PG for a younger more talented Pg, potentially with a late lotto pick (warren) and 15+ pick next yr (MIA). We are not resigning Warren or Bledsoe, get value for them while you can and potentially a star to help draw other stars. Crazy how many people are whining about this

during the entire offseason, our needs are floor general, defense and shooting.
irving offer nothing of the above(maybe shooting) but just a top scoring option.

i have a quesion to the fans who like to add irving.

what you think of our first scoring option in years to come? if none in our roster , then we need irving but my answer is booker
what you think of our second scoring option in years to come? if none in our roster , then we need irving but my answer is jj
what you think of our third scoring option in years to come? if none in our roster , then we 'may' need irving but my answer is chriss

to conclude, we dont need irving as another scoring weapon.

[lilfishi22]

Chemistry? What chemistry? We won 30 games last year, if that? Many games were painful to watch. Irving has never been a locker room cancer or distraction, in 7 years as pro. We'd be trading an aging talented PG for a younger more talented Pg, potentially with a late lotto pick (warren) and 15+ pick next yr (MIA). We are not resigning Warren or Bledsoe, get value for them while you can and potentially a star to help draw other stars. Crazy how many people are whining about this

AFAIK and as far as I'm concerned the only proof of chemistry is that we didn't implode when we only won 24 games last season. ie they weren't at each other's throats after multiple losses in a row. On court however, there isn't a whole lot of cohesion which is to be expected considering most of the guys on our team haven't played with one another for long. But this whole argument that bringing in Irving would destroy this enviable peak team chemistry which we supposedly have to me, is totally bunk.

[Damkac]

Chemistry? What chemistry? We won 30 games last year, if that? Many games were painful to watch. Irving has never been a locker room cancer or distraction, in 7 years as pro. We'd be trading an aging talented PG for a younger more talented Pg, potentially with a late lotto pick (warren) and 15+ pick next yr (MIA). We are not resigning Warren or Bledsoe, get value for them while you can and potentially a star to help draw other stars. Crazy how many people are whining about this

during the entire offseason, our needs are floor general, defense and shooting.
irving offer nothing of the above(maybe shooting) but just a top scoring option.

i have a quesion to the fans who like to add irving.

what you think of our first scoring option in years to come? if none in our roster , then we need irving but my answer is booker
what you think of our second scoring option in years to come? if none in our roster , then we need irving but my answer is jj
what you think of our third scoring option in years to come? if none in our roster , then we 'may' need irving but my answer is chriss

to conclude, we dont need irving as another scoring weapon.

More like 1)Booker 2)Warren 3)JJ 4) Chriss
Yes scoring is the last thing this team needs.

We are not resigning Warren

Why do you think that?

[AtheJ415]

Chemistry? What chemistry? We won 30 games last year, if that? Many games were painful to watch. Irving has never been a locker room cancer or distraction, in 7 years as pro. We'd be trading an aging talented PG for a younger more talented Pg, potentially with a late lotto pick (warren) and 15+ pick next yr (MIA). We are not resigning Warren or Bledsoe, get value for them while you can and potentially a star to help draw other stars. Crazy how many people are whining about this

during the entire offseason, our needs are floor general, defense and shooting.
irving offer nothing of the above(maybe shooting) but just a top scoring option.

i have a quesion to the fans who like to add irving.

what you think of our first scoring option in years to come? if none in our roster , then we need irving but my answer is booker
what you think of our second scoring option in years to come? if none in our roster , then we need irving but my answer is jj
what you think of our third scoring option in years to come? if none in our roster , then we 'may' need irving but my answer is chriss

to conclude, we dont need irving as another scoring weapon.

Irving actually does provide shooting. He is a chucker but he hits ALOT. He probably hurts our already horrid defense. I am not sure if he can be a floor general. From my understanding based on what I've seen and heard from podcasts regarding his vision--he does have the vision to hit open guys, but chooses to take difficult shots instead. Thus, he could potentially become the floor general we need if he buys into trusting our team and chooses to make those passes instead of becoming Kobe. I know the trust part probably wouldn't change for a few years until our guys develop. By then maybe he matures and we can get through to him to try to be more Chris Paul than Kobe. Who knows.

With Kyrie he isn't an ideal fit. But the potential is there and he could develop as a passer. I am not confident he will ever be a good defender but it wouldn't take much for him to improve on that end. He is worth adding if we don't overpay. Really whether this is a good trade or not and whether it is worth the risk depends entirely on what we trade.

[lilfishi22]

Chemistry? What chemistry? We won 30 games last year, if that? Many games were painful to watch. Irving has never been a locker room cancer or distraction, in 7 years as pro. We'd be trading an aging talented PG for a younger more talented Pg, potentially with a late lotto pick (warren) and 15+ pick next yr (MIA). We are not resigning Warren or Bledsoe, get value for them while you can and potentially a star to help draw other stars. Crazy how many people are whining about this

during the entire offseason, our needs are floor general, defense and shooting.
irving offer nothing of the above(maybe shooting) but just a top scoring option.

i have a quesion to the fans who like to add irving.

what you think of our first scoring option in years to come? if none in our roster , then we need irving but my answer is booker
what you think of our second scoring option in years to come? if none in our roster , then we need irving but my answer is jj
what you think of our third scoring option in years to come? if none in our roster , then we 'may' need irving but my answer is chriss

to conclude, we dont need irving as another scoring weapon.

What is your definition of years to come?
If we're talking for the next 5 yrs, it'll look like
what you think of our first scoring option in years to come? Kyrie
what you think of our second scoring option in years to come? Booker
what you think of our third scoring option in years to come? JJ/Warren if he's still around

by year 3-4, Kyrie and Booker could swap places, depending on how Booker develops.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Sportsbet released Under / Over odds for every NBA team except Cleveland and Phoenix.

[Moochthemonkey]

Sportsbet released Under / Over odds for every NBA team except Cleveland and Phoenix.

[TOO]

Sportsbet released Under / Over odds for every NBA team except Cleveland and Phoenix.

I take the over.

The overreaction to all the fans who will hate all things Kyrie...




Until around game 10 of the season when he's lighting everyone up looking all-world for us.

[DRK]

Remember that guy we drafted with the 5th pick in 2013, labelled him untouchable, and labelled him as a massive core piece of our franchise based on his potential?

4 years later, that guy is 1 month into free agency and cant get an offer, and has his role taken by an undrafted player (with a serving of sauce)

Prospects lose value the more you find out about them. No Im not advocating that we move Jackson, but lets not hype up our rookies/youth/ and especially future drafts picks so much that it stops us from acquiring a superstar like Kyrie.

The obssession with hoarding assets is a dangerous one. One of these days you gotta cash in your chips of risk losing your place at the table

[RaisingArizona]

Sportsbet released Under / Over odds for every NBA team except Cleveland and Phoenix.

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500/1

[Saberestar]

It is just my opinion, but people think too much about the future.

One thing is to think about the next two seasons, OK...another thing is to think about our team in four years from now. That is ridiculous IMO, the NBA changes sooo fast.

THIS IS THE NBA. Everything changes in a few months. It is really difficult to find players that stay on the same team more than four years, really difficult to find.

If we can get Irving for a fair offer (Bledsoe, Chriss and the Miami pick...for example) we have to get him. Period.

Irving would lose a lot of money if he agrees to an extension, that is not gonna happen. Not with the Knicks.Not with the Suns.Not with anyone. But that is not a real problem, because it does not matter if a player has a large contract or if he is gonna be a FA...if the player wants to go he would ask for a trade and it is all over.

What if Booker say next week that he does not want to play here and he asks for a trade? He would play without heart until you trade him, and do not matter if he is under contract AT ALL.

If our team improves (and young players usually improve) and we get to the playoffs in 2018/19, Irving will stay here.

We need talent.Badly. Irving is way better than Bledsoe, he would be a big time upgrade at the PG position.

Hopefully we do not lose this opportunity.

[thamadkant]

several days ago, mcd said suns can trade for any of the three all stars traded in the past sixth months.

deal not done partly because the cost is too high and the players' contract sitution
irving trade talk also has these two concerns not mentioning the fit with our young core

mcd,please end the trade talk , no need irving to destroy our chemistry

a 20 win team had chemistry?

friendship among the youth yeah... on court chemistry? hell no.


Irving is younger than Bledsoe. It really depends on the package. If its Bledsoe, a filler (not Jackson) and a protected pick... does NOT affect any of this "chemistry" you imply anyways. It frees up the log jam in the SF spot if anything and makes the Suns slightly more popular to casual NBA fans and star FAs.

[thamadkant]

Going to have to give that pick if we want him.

Top 3 protected?

I hope so

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top 5 protected.... next draft is 5 men deep IMO.

[GoblinytE]

Outside of obvious tank mode games I would see alot of fight and promise. Unless there is straight up substitution jeopardy that costs us games, i think we are an 8th seed next year if we get Irving. Bled put up with the tank/timeline...Irving wont...and if we have any desires in keeping him after 2 seasons..Sunsnation better not aswell.

[Gorilla Warfare]

It is just my opinion, but people think too much about the future.

One thing is to think about the next two seasons, OK...another thing is to think about our team in four years from now. That is ridiculous IMO, the NBA changes sooo fast.

THIS IS THE NBA. Everything changes in a few months. It is really difficult to find players that stay on the same team more than four years, really difficult to find.

If we can get Irving for a fair offer (Bledsoe, Chriss and the Miami pick...for example) we have to get him. Period.

Irving would lose a lot of money if he agrees to an extension, that is not gonna happen. Not with the Knicks.Not with the Suns.Not with anyone. But that is not a real problem, because it does not matter if a player has a large contract or if he is gonna be a FA...if the player wants to go he would ask for a trade and it is all over.

What if Booker say next week that he does not want to play here and he asks for a trade? He would play without heart until you trade him, and do not matter if he is under contract AT ALL.

If our team improves (and young players usually improve) and we get to the playoffs in 2018/19, Irving will stay here.

We need talent.Badly. Irving is way better than Bledsoe, he would be a big time upgrade at the PG position.

Hopefully we do not lose this opportunity.

I agree with this. Getting Kyrie would allow McD and JJ to get to work and say "who else do you want?" and could start a push to put more talent around him and Booker. This should have been done 2 weeks ago so they had more time work. I think we could build a low seed playoff team that could bring fits to the opposition pretty quickly. We're not winning a championship in the next few years but can at least start truly building a championship team this offseason. I'm not saying we would go full TWolves mode because what they've done so far So quickly into the offseason has been damn near incredible, but we could take a similar path as them with a core of Kyrie/Booker/Chriss/Bender/Warren (and/or Jackson).