Is the starting SF spot up for grabs?

[mr2good]

Throw in a willing pass first pg like elf..... we're gonna see a whole new symphony everyone.

Yeah, a symphony orchestrated by nothing but deaf people.

Face it, we're still going to be terrible offensively. Other than a few bench pieces getting swapped out, we're still going to be running out 4 of the same starters that we've seen fail on offense for years. The group of Payton, Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic has shown enough of a sample size to prove that they can't score points efficiently enough.

This is how we ranked in a couple offensive categories last year:

-2nd worst field goal %
-2nd worst 3 point field goal %
-4th worst 2 point field goal %
-4th worst in free throws attempted
-5th worst free throws made %
-7th most turnovers committed
-2nd worst total points scored
-2nd worst in offensive rating
-2nd worst in true shooting %
-2nd worst in effective field goal %

Those numbers are not going to change much with more games of Terrance Ross, Arron Afflalo, Jonathon Isaac or Jonathon Simmons at SF next to the usual other 4 starters. There is no chance of this team making real improvements on offense until there are more roster changes namely from moving most of the holdovers from the Hennigan regime.

I've posted this in a few other threads.... looking at the play of the team post all star game. (and yes i know this includes playoffs for some other teams as well)... But there is a Stark difference in performance for our starting unit Pre and Post Allstar game.

Pre All Star
Starters: 5th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/17-1
Bench: 6th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/17-1

Post All Star after there has been changes to the lineup that are more conducive to success
Starters: 10th Best Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/18-1
Bench: WORST Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/18-1

So ... yeah... improving the bench along with just improvements to our core starters (proper utility and natural growth) can make this team a whole lot better in my opinion. Are there any guarantees.... no. But I would put my money on us having a much better season than last.

Thank you for reminding people who clearly keep forgetting how much better our starters played after the Ibaka trade. Top 10 in the league w/ the worst bench behind them, you can easily see how fortifying the bench this off season is going to have a huge impact on our wins and losses.

[AshBlackstone]

I think you're going to see Isaac all over the place. He could literally end up being a 3, 4, or 5 in this league. Or he could just slide around to all three positions as we embrace this new positionless league.

[Patrick1978]

Yeah, a symphony orchestrated by nothing but deaf people.

Face it, we're still going to be terrible offensively. Other than a few bench pieces getting swapped out, we're still going to be running out 4 of the same starters that we've seen fail on offense for years. The group of Payton, Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic has shown enough of a sample size to prove that they can't score points efficiently enough.

This is how we ranked in a couple offensive categories last year:

-2nd worst field goal %
-2nd worst 3 point field goal %
-4th worst 2 point field goal %
-4th worst in free throws attempted
-5th worst free throws made %
-7th most turnovers committed
-2nd worst total points scored
-2nd worst in offensive rating
-2nd worst in true shooting %
-2nd worst in effective field goal %

Those numbers are not going to change much with more games of Terrance Ross, Arron Afflalo, Jonathon Isaac or Jonathon Simmons at SF next to the usual other 4 starters. There is no chance of this team making real improvements on offense until there are more roster changes namely from moving most of the holdovers from the Hennigan regime.

I've posted this in a few other threads.... looking at the play of the team post all star game. (and yes i know this includes playoffs for some other teams as well)... But there is a Stark difference in performance for our starting unit Pre and Post Allstar game.

Pre All Star
Starters: 5th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/17-1
Bench: 6th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/17-1

Post All Star after there has been changes to the lineup that are more conducive to success
Starters: 10th Best Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/18-1
Bench: WORST Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/18-1

So ... yeah... improving the bench along with just improvements to our core starters (proper utility and natural growth) can make this team a whole lot better in my opinion. Are there any guarantees.... no. But I would put my money on us having a much better season than last.

Thank you for reminding people who clearly keep forgetting how much better our starters played after the Ibaka trade. Top 10 in the league w/ the worst bench behind them, you can easily see how fortifying the bench this off season is going to have a huge impact on our wins and losses.

True

[Optimus_Steel]

Yeah, a symphony orchestrated by nothing but deaf people.

Face it, we're still going to be terrible offensively. Other than a few bench pieces getting swapped out, we're still going to be running out 4 of the same starters that we've seen fail on offense for years. The group of Payton, Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic has shown enough of a sample size to prove that they can't score points efficiently enough.

This is how we ranked in a couple offensive categories last year:

-2nd worst field goal %
-2nd worst 3 point field goal %
-4th worst 2 point field goal %
-4th worst in free throws attempted
-5th worst free throws made %
-7th most turnovers committed
-2nd worst total points scored
-2nd worst in offensive rating
-2nd worst in true shooting %
-2nd worst in effective field goal %

Those numbers are not going to change much with more games of Terrance Ross, Arron Afflalo, Jonathon Isaac or Jonathon Simmons at SF next to the usual other 4 starters. There is no chance of this team making real improvements on offense until there are more roster changes namely from moving most of the holdovers from the Hennigan regime.

I've posted this in a few other threads.... looking at the play of the team post all star game. (and yes i know this includes playoffs for some other teams as well)... But there is a Stark difference in performance for our starting unit Pre and Post Allstar game.

Pre All Star
Starters: 5th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/17-1
Bench: 6th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/17-1

Post All Star after there has been changes to the lineup that are more conducive to success
Starters: 10th Best Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/18-1
Bench: WORST Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/18-1

So ... yeah... improving the bench along with just improvements to our core starters (proper utility and natural growth) can make this team a whole lot better in my opinion. Are there any guarantees.... no. But I would put my money on us having a much better season than last.

Thank you for reminding people who clearly keep forgetting how much better our starters played after the Ibaka trade. Top 10 in the league w/ the worst bench behind them, you can easily see how fortifying the bench this off season is going to have a huge impact on our wins and losses.

I am not a believer that the starters post allstar game efficiency ratings will carry over into this year just because it happened. The season was over before the allstar break, players play differently at that point with no pressure, other teams are tanking as well or resting players. For example we've seen stellar play from Elfrid in the last weeks of season and it has not carried over to the beggining of the next season. So we dont know for sure yet if it will carry over, its too premature. Either way I can't imagine our offense improving a ton, it's simply not very good because we are lacking offensive talent and lacking shooting and although the bench has been bosltered there has not been a major improvement in offensive ability.

[yoyojw17]

I've posted this in a few other threads.... looking at the play of the team post all star game. (and yes i know this includes playoffs for some other teams as well)... But there is a Stark difference in performance for our starting unit Pre and Post Allstar game.

Pre All Star
Starters: 5th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/17-1
Bench: 6th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/17-1

Post All Star after there has been changes to the lineup that are more conducive to success
Starters: 10th Best Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/18-1
Bench: WORST Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/18-1

So ... yeah... improving the bench along with just improvements to our core starters (proper utility and natural growth) can make this team a whole lot better in my opinion. Are there any guarantees.... no. But I would put my money on us having a much better season than last.

Thank you for reminding people who clearly keep forgetting how much better our starters played after the Ibaka trade. Top 10 in the league w/ the worst bench behind them, you can easily see how fortifying the bench this off season is going to have a huge impact on our wins and losses.

I am not a believer that the starters post allstar game efficiency ratings will carry over into this year just because it happened. The season was over before the allstar break, players play differently at that point with no pressure, other teams are tanking as well or resting players. For example we've seen stellar play from Elfrid in the last weeks of season and it has not carried over to the beggining of the next season. So we dont know for sure yet if it will carry over, its too premature. Either way I can't imagine our offense improving a ton, it's simply not very good because we are lacking offensive talent and lacking shooting and although the bench has been bosltered there has not been a major improvement in offensive ability.

It's hard to say man. We only have rookie year to year 2.... and year 2 to year three. Going into year three... two developing players were asked to do things that are not really their strengths whether it is playing off ball, shooting 3's or playing a different position. The thing is.... that increase in efficiency and so on changed when.... ibaka was traded and players were now put into positions to succeed by doing what they do best. I understand what you are saying.... but ifffffff there weren't those changes and pre and post all star EVERYTHING was the same.... then i would be right there with you.

But I see it as.... if the Magic didn't try to switch gears into ... "Win now mode" and took the time to develop more so what they had..... EP and AG would be a couple steps ahead of their current positions as they had to take 2 steps or 5 back at the beginning of the season. With the core and most importantly the coaching staff coming back intact I can see them actually making a leap forward... or at least "Here's hoping". This season is where we can truly map both of their trajectories.

[bargnanimvp]

I think you're going to see Isaac all over the place. He could literally end up being a 3, 4, or 5 in this league. Or he could just slide around to all three positions as we embrace this new positionless league.

Yeah, in terms of starting though we are likely to have
Payton
2 wings who can shoot
Gordon
vuc/biyombo

whatever position everyone plays isaac will need a jump shot if AG and Payton are next to him in the starting line up.

[pepe1991]

Yeah, a symphony orchestrated by nothing but deaf people.

Face it, we're still going to be terrible offensively. Other than a few bench pieces getting swapped out, we're still going to be running out 4 of the same starters that we've seen fail on offense for years. The group of Payton, Fournier, Gordon and Vucevic has shown enough of a sample size to prove that they can't score points efficiently enough.

This is how we ranked in a couple offensive categories last year:

-2nd worst field goal %
-2nd worst 3 point field goal %
-4th worst 2 point field goal %
-4th worst in free throws attempted
-5th worst free throws made %
-7th most turnovers committed
-2nd worst total points scored
-2nd worst in offensive rating
-2nd worst in true shooting %
-2nd worst in effective field goal %

Those numbers are not going to change much with more games of Terrance Ross, Arron Afflalo, Jonathon Isaac or Jonathon Simmons at SF next to the usual other 4 starters. There is no chance of this team making real improvements on offense until there are more roster changes namely from moving most of the holdovers from the Hennigan regime.

I've posted this in a few other threads.... looking at the play of the team post all star game. (and yes i know this includes playoffs for some other teams as well)... But there is a Stark difference in performance for our starting unit Pre and Post Allstar game.

Pre All Star
Starters: 5th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/17-1
Bench: 6th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/17-1

Post All Star after there has been changes to the lineup that are more conducive to success
Starters: 10th Best Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/18-1
Bench: WORST Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/18-1

So ... yeah... improving the bench along with just improvements to our core starters (proper utility and natural growth) can make this team a whole lot better in my opinion. Are there any guarantees.... no. But I would put my money on us having a much better season than last.

Thank you for reminding people who clearly keep forgetting how much better our starters played after the Ibaka trade. Top 10 in the league w/ the worst bench behind them, you can easily see how fortifying the bench this off season is going to have a huge impact on our wins and losses.

Depending how you want to read into numbers.
I don't get how you can keep bringing that stats and in same time ignore contradiction you see in them.
Do you trust part of the season where Spurs , Celtics and Rockets are ranked all below #15 and where T wolves are top 3 team in whole league? In particular do you trust stat that has Spurs ranked as 8 worst ? Where is context ? Context is- after allstar break half of teams are resting, half of teams are tanking , so normally bad teams who refuse to tank ( because they are awfully runned teams ) have huge boost in rankings and pretty much shoot themselfs in the knees.

To see how pointless that stat can be, Magic were even ranked better than this year- by same stat 2 years ago, in 2014-15. When they were by DeEf 8# best team after allstar break. That translated so well into 2015-16.

Do you know how many wins Magic collected against playoff teams in that period? Two. One against Atlanta and second against Bulls. Trough that period they lost by 19 or more 6 times. Look at points differential through whole season, most of - 6,5 teams over a years win 17-24 games with that differential. Magic were really bad 29 wins team.

[yoyojw17]

I've posted this in a few other threads.... looking at the play of the team post all star game. (and yes i know this includes playoffs for some other teams as well)... But there is a Stark difference in performance for our starting unit Pre and Post Allstar game.

Pre All Star
Starters: 5th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/17-1
Bench: 6th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/17-1

Post All Star after there has been changes to the lineup that are more conducive to success
Starters: 10th Best Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/18-1
Bench: WORST Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/18-1

So ... yeah... improving the bench along with just improvements to our core starters (proper utility and natural growth) can make this team a whole lot better in my opinion. Are there any guarantees.... no. But I would put my money on us having a much better season than last.

Thank you for reminding people who clearly keep forgetting how much better our starters played after the Ibaka trade. Top 10 in the league w/ the worst bench behind them, you can easily see how fortifying the bench this off season is going to have a huge impact on our wins and losses.

Depending how you want to read into numbers.
I don't get how you can keep bringing that stats and in same time ignore contradiction you see in them.
Do you trust part of the season where Spurs , Celtics and Rockets are ranked all below #15 and where T wolves are top 3 team in whole league? In particular do you trust stat that has Spurs ranked as 8 worst ? Where is context ? Context is- after allstar break half of teams are resting, half of teams are tanking , so normally bad teams who refuse to tank ( because they are awfully runned teams ) have huge boost in rankings and pretty much shoot themselfs in the knees.

To see how pointless that stat can be, Magic were even ranked better than this year- by same stat 2 years ago, in 2014-15. When they were by DeEf 8# best team after allstar break. That translated so well into 2015-16.

Do you know how many wins Magic collected against playoff teams in that period? Two. One against Atlanta and second against Bulls. Trough that period they lost by 19 or more 6 times. Look at points differential through whole season, most of - 6,5 teams over a years win 17-24 games with that differential. Magic were really bad 29 wins team.

and once again.... we had the worst bench in the league during that time period. lol

As we all know this is a team sport. If your starting unit can't compensate for the bench ... yes... you can lose games all the time.

now ... looks like we have a reasonably solid bench to work with. Takes a lot of pressure off of the starting unit. Best situation would be like the Golden state warrior where both you Starters and your bench can pull things together on a nightly basis.

[Optimus_Steel]

I've posted this in a few other threads.... looking at the play of the team post all star game. (and yes i know this includes playoffs for some other teams as well)... But there is a Stark difference in performance for our starting unit Pre and Post Allstar game.

Pre All Star
Starters: 5th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/17-1
Bench: 6th worse Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/17-1

Post All Star after there has been changes to the lineup that are more conducive to success
Starters: 10th Best Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/6/diffeff/18-1
Bench: WORST Deff in the league http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/18-1

So ... yeah... improving the bench along with just improvements to our core starters (proper utility and natural growth) can make this team a whole lot better in my opinion. Are there any guarantees.... no. But I would put my money on us having a much better season than last.

Thank you for reminding people who clearly keep forgetting how much better our starters played after the Ibaka trade. Top 10 in the league w/ the worst bench behind them, you can easily see how fortifying the bench this off season is going to have a huge impact on our wins and losses.

Depending how you want to read into numbers.
I don't get how you can keep bringing that stats and in same time ignore contradiction you see in them.
Do you trust part of the season where Spurs , Celtics and Rockets are ranked all below #15 and where T wolves are top 3 team in whole league? In particular do you trust stat that has Spurs ranked as 8 worst ? Where is context ? Context is- after allstar break half of teams are resting, half of teams are tanking , so normally bad teams who refuse to tank ( because they are awfully runned teams ) have huge boost in rankings and pretty much shoot themselfs in the knees.

To see how pointless that stat can be, Magic were even ranked better than this year- by same stat 2 years ago, in 2014-15. When they were by DeEf 8# best team after allstar break. That translated so well into 2015-16.

Do you know how many wins Magic collected against playoff teams in that period? Two. One against Atlanta and second against Bulls. Trough that period they lost by 19 or more 6 times. Look at points differential through whole season, most of - 6,5 teams over a years win 17-24 games with that differential. Magic were really bad 29 wins team.

You are right in that strictly looking at the numbers, offensive & defensive efficiency, shooting, point differential and several others, we actually won more games than we should have. We should have been the 2nd worst team in the league but we managed to overperform. Don't be fooled, this is still a bad basketball team.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Thank you for reminding people who clearly keep forgetting how much better our starters played after the Ibaka trade. Top 10 in the league w/ the worst bench behind them, you can easily see how fortifying the bench this off season is going to have a huge impact on our wins and losses.

Depending how you want to read into numbers.
I don't get how you can keep bringing that stats and in same time ignore contradiction you see in them.
Do you trust part of the season where Spurs , Celtics and Rockets are ranked all below #15 and where T wolves are top 3 team in whole league? In particular do you trust stat that has Spurs ranked as 8 worst ? Where is context ? Context is- after allstar break half of teams are resting, half of teams are tanking , so normally bad teams who refuse to tank ( because they are awfully runned teams ) have huge boost in rankings and pretty much shoot themselfs in the knees.

To see how pointless that stat can be, Magic were even ranked better than this year- by same stat 2 years ago, in 2014-15. When they were by DeEf 8# best team after allstar break. That translated so well into 2015-16.

Do you know how many wins Magic collected against playoff teams in that period? Two. One against Atlanta and second against Bulls. Trough that period they lost by 19 or more 6 times. Look at points differential through whole season, most of - 6,5 teams over a years win 17-24 games with that differential. Magic were really bad 29 wins team.

and once again.... we had the worst bench in the league during that time period. lol

As we all know this is a team sport. If your starting unit can't compensate for the bench ... yes... you can lose games all the time.

now ... looks like we have a reasonably solid bench to work with. Takes a lot of pressure off of the starting unit. Best situation would be like the Golden state warrior where both you Starters and your bench can pull things together on a nightly basis.

The improved bench is why I'm a little less skeptical about next season. I'm still not letting my guard down though.


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[yoyojw17]

Depending how you want to read into numbers.
I don't get how you can keep bringing that stats and in same time ignore contradiction you see in them.
Do you trust part of the season where Spurs , Celtics and Rockets are ranked all below #15 and where T wolves are top 3 team in whole league? In particular do you trust stat that has Spurs ranked as 8 worst ? Where is context ? Context is- after allstar break half of teams are resting, half of teams are tanking , so normally bad teams who refuse to tank ( because they are awfully runned teams ) have huge boost in rankings and pretty much shoot themselfs in the knees.

To see how pointless that stat can be, Magic were even ranked better than this year- by same stat 2 years ago, in 2014-15. When they were by DeEf 8# best team after allstar break. That translated so well into 2015-16.

Do you know how many wins Magic collected against playoff teams in that period? Two. One against Atlanta and second against Bulls. Trough that period they lost by 19 or more 6 times. Look at points differential through whole season, most of - 6,5 teams over a years win 17-24 games with that differential. Magic were really bad 29 wins team.

and once again.... we had the worst bench in the league during that time period. lol

As we all know this is a team sport. If your starting unit can't compensate for the bench ... yes... you can lose games all the time.

now ... looks like we have a reasonably solid bench to work with. Takes a lot of pressure off of the starting unit. Best situation would be like the Golden state warrior where both you Starters and your bench can pull things together on a nightly basis.

The improved bench is why I'm a little less skeptical about next season. I'm still not letting my guard down though.


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[p0peye]

We didn't have bad bench last couple of years, we had bad team, period. It hasn't changed. All positions are up for grabs, not just SF, we just need to find good players to fill them.

[pepe1991]

and once again.... we had the worst bench in the league during that time period. lol

As we all know this is a team sport. If your starting unit can't compensate for the bench ... yes... you can lose games all the time.

now ... looks like we have a reasonably solid bench to work with. Takes a lot of pressure off of the starting unit. Best situation would be like the Golden state warrior where both you Starters and your bench can pull things together on a nightly basis.

The improved bench is why I'm a little less skeptical about next season. I'm still not letting my guard down though.


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To be fair, i expect 32-36 wins and improved points differential from this season, because now we have more solid wings ( and no Jeff Green ) . If they overachive they can sneak into 38-40 W category.

[yoyojw17]

The improved bench is why I'm a little less skeptical about next season. I'm still not letting my guard down though.


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To be fair, i expect 32-36 wins and improved points differential from this season, because now we have more solid wings ( and no Jeff Green ) . If they overachive they can sneak into 38-40 W category.

For me.... we sneaking into the playoffs and making some noise!!! But very well know that I might be watching the picks leading up to the draft very closely by the end of the season. Either way... i'll be happy. hahaha

[bargnanimvp]

The improved bench is why I'm a little less skeptical about next season. I'm still not letting my guard down though.


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To be fair, i expect 32-36 wins and improved points differential from this season, because now we have more solid wings ( and no Jeff Green ) . If they overachive they can sneak into 38-40 W category.

I'm guessing around 30-32 wins. I can't see us having a line up balanced enough for push near 40. I also think they'll be adjusting rotations a lot and trying guys out in different situations which might cost us some wins too and I also think we'll be making a deal mid season.

[PrimeThyme]

Could Payton thrive in a EP-Evan-Simmons-AG-Vuc lineup? Personally, that is the lineup Id like to see but unless Gordon makes some strides with his shot im not sure that there will be enough shooting for EP to really be successful and play his game. Then again I also feel that we need either Ross or Evan in a sixth man role to provide shooting and scoring off the bench. It will be interesting to see but I have the feeling that we will have the same starting lineup as we did post all star break because it provides the most shooting and we had success with it.

[bargnanimvp]

Could Payton thrive in a EP-Evan-Simmons-AG-Vuc lineup? Personally, that is the lineup Id like to see but unless Gordon makes some strides with his shot im not sure that there will be enough shooting for EP to really be successful and play his game. Then again I also feel that we need either Ross or Evan in a sixth man role to provide shooting and scoring off the bench. It will be interesting to see but I have the feeling that we will have the same starting lineup as we did post all star break because it provides the most shooting and we had success with it.

not enough shooting imo

i'd like to see a line up like this when other teams go small ball

payton
fournier
ross
AG
Isaac

[pepe1991]

Could Payton thrive in a EP-Evan-Simmons-AG-Vuc lineup? Personally, that is the lineup Id like to see but unless Gordon makes some strides with his shot im not sure that there will be enough shooting for EP to really be successful and play his game. Then again I also feel that we need either Ross or Evan in a sixth man role to provide shooting and scoring off the bench. It will be interesting to see but I have the feeling that we will have the same starting lineup as we did post all star break because it provides the most shooting and we had success with it.

not enough shooting imo

i'd like to see a line up like this when other teams go small ball

payton
fournier
ross
AG
Isaac

With Evan, Ross, Simmons , Iwundu, Hezonja and AA all plaiyng SG-SF , Magic really could use some trades to adjust roster.

[Patrick1978]

To be fair, i expect 32-36 wins and improved points differential from this season, because now we have more solid wings ( and no Jeff Green ) . If they overachive they can sneak into 38-40 W category.

For me.... we sneaking into the playoffs and making some noise!!! But very well know that I might be watching the picks leading up to the draft very closely by the end of the season. Either way... i'll be happy. hahaha

I am with you on this

[Instincts]

With the current roster the sf spot will be Isaacs sooner rather than later.

Payton
Ross
Isaac
Gordon
Vuch

Shooting surrounding Payton and Gordon. Defense and shot blocking next to vuch.


Mack / Simmons
Fournier
Simmons
Speights
Biz

Solid and balanced bench