Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving?

[Qwigglez]

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/cavaliers-no-sense-of-urgency-trade-kyrie-irving/#qbVZKUxzx3U9qz6d.97

Bluff. Cavs need to move Kyrie before they end up losing both Lebron and Irving. Cavs can still get decent value for Kyrie, though if they wait til next year or even midway thru the season they could end up settling for a terrible package like the Pacers did for George.

If they think lebrons already a goner, selling short on kyrie doesn't make sense. Regardless of the locker room problems, Cleveland will still be in the finals next year and kyrie isn't gonna blow it just because. He's a better option than Bledsoe and whatever small asset the Suns are likely offering right now.

I'm not saying keeping him is the top option, but it has to be an option

The idea would be to keep Lebron happy, and there was a report that he was advocating trading for Bledsoe.

[Sunsfan12]

I'm reading reports that Porzingis is the only NYK the Cavs would trade Irving for; Wiggins won't be traded for Irving if extended; Nuggets won't trade Murray and Harris for him. All reports this morning.

We are quickly becoming the Cav's only good option. We have leverage. Don't include JJ or our 2018 pick (unless top 7 protected) McD!

[TeamTragic]

I'm reading reports that Porzingis is the only NYK the Cavs would trade Irving for; Wiggins won't be traded for Irving if extended; Nuggets won't trade Murray and Harris for him. All reports this morning.

We are quickly becoming the Cav's only good option. We have leverage. Don't include JJ or our 2018 pick (unless top 7 protected) McD!

The doors are closing in on Gilbert. If he doesn't trade Kyrie before training camp the entire team will implode. This greatly helps the Warriors.

Imagine how pissed Lebron will be when Kyrie ignores him. Gilbert is slowly digging his grave.

[Shank]

Bledsoe/Warren/Reed/Miami pick - For Irving FINAL OFFER

[TeamTragic]

Bledsoe/Miami pick. Maybe Reed. No Warren.

[Sreister]

Bledsoe/Miami pick. Maybe Reed. No Warren.

God I hope it gets to that point. I do like me some Warren as our 6th man moving forward. Level headed scorer is exactly what a good 6th man needs to be.

Kyrie/Ulis
Book/??
JJ/Warren
Chris/Bender
???Len/Sauce/Chandler

Give us 2 years to grow with that and that'd be tits.

[bwgood77]

From Pelton:

14. Phoenix Suns
Projected wins: 30.3

The Suns are one of the two teams projected worse on defense than the Lakers. That might undersell the defensive contributions of rookie Josh Jackson. Still, Phoenix is firmly committed to developing its young talent rather than chasing 35 wins this season -- at least for now.

15. Sacramento Kings
Projected wins: 27.4

Despite adding veterans Vince Carter, George Hill and Zach Randolph as free agents, the Kings are projected as the league's second-worst offensive attack by RPM. Although this isn't part of the projection, few teams will have more incentive to improve their draft pick, as Sacramento won't have its first-rounder in 2019 due to trade.

13. Brooklyn Nets
Projected wins: 29.5

The additions of guard D'Angelo Russell and forward DeMarre Carroll (rated better than league average, despite the Nets' getting a first-round pick to take on his contract) figure to make Brooklyn more competitive next season. Still, the Nets have perhaps the NBA's worst big men, which will keep them in the lottery.

14. Chicago Bulls
Projected wins: 28.5

The bright side of the Butler trade is that Chicago could be well-positioned for a top draft pick. The Bulls are ahead of only the Knicks when it comes to point guard options, and newcomer Zach LaVine is projected by RPM to be worse than replacement level.

15. Atlanta Hawks
Projected wins: 27.0

RPM has long been low on the Hawks' talent, and that certainly hasn't changed with the departure of Millsap. Remarkably, Atlanta has just two players projected to be better than league average by RPM: likely starting big men Dewayne Dedmon and Ersan Ilyasova.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20225286/projected-records-win-totals-standings-every-nba-team-2017-18-season

[8on]

I'm thinking both Kyrie and LeBron remain with Cavs and work it out.

Think about it - who's a better option than the Cavs for LeBron in 2018? The Lakers? Probably not.

Kyrie may want out, but if they don't trade him, there's a chance he may end up reconciling with LeBron and resigning with the Cavs.

Maybe not, but maybe so.

[matt131]

Bledsoe/Miami pick. Maybe Reed. No Warren.

God I hope it gets to that point. I do like me some Warren as our 6th man moving forward. Level headed scorer is exactly what a good 6th man needs to be.

Kyrie/Ulis
Book/??
JJ/Warren
Chris/Bender
???Len/Sauce/Chandler

Give us 2 years to grow with that and that'd be tits.

heck yeah it would be

[TeamTragic]

Bledsoe/Miami pick. Maybe Reed. No Warren.

God I hope it gets to that point. I do like me some Warren as our 6th man moving forward. Level headed scorer is exactly what a good 6th man needs to be.

Kyrie/Ulis
Book/??
JJ/Warren
Chris/Bender
???Len/Sauce/Chandler

Give us 2 years to grow with that and that'd be tits.

McD just got a contract extension. He won't mortage our future for Kyrie.

Same for when Cousins was available and now teams are dropping out.

[Fo-Real]

I'm thinking both Kyrie and LeBron remain with Cavs and work it out.

Think about it - who's a better option than the Cavs for LeBron in 2018? The Lakers? Probably not.

Kyrie may want out, but if they don't trade him, there's a chance he may end up reconciling with LeBron and resigning with the Cavs.

Maybe not, but maybe so.

Yeah man, let Kyrie stay . Break off all negotiations and set fire to the bridge, tell the Cavs we are moving on.

[Preacherpj]

I'm thinking both Kyrie and LeBron remain with Cavs and work it out.

Think about it - who's a better option than the Cavs for LeBron in 2018? The Lakers? Probably not.

Kyrie may want out, but if they don't trade him, there's a chance he may end up reconciling with LeBron and resigning with the Cavs.

Maybe not, but maybe so.

Yeah man, let Kyrie stay . Break off all negotiations and set fire to the bridge, tell the Cavs we are moving on.

Why? How does it help Phoenix to break off negotiations?

[Shank]

It is meant to be

[DirtyDez]

I'm thinking both Kyrie and LeBron remain with Cavs and work it out.

Think about it - who's a better option than the Cavs for LeBron in 2018? The Lakers? Probably not.

Kyrie may want out, but if they don't trade him, there's a chance he may end up reconciling with LeBron and resigning with the Cavs.

Maybe not, but maybe so.

Terry Pluto was on The Herd and said Lebron-Kyrie are so far beyond repair that he's getting dealt.

[King4Day]

It is meant to be

Some people are just not photogenic.

[Fo-Real]

I'm thinking both Kyrie and LeBron remain with Cavs and work it out.

Think about it - who's a better option than the Cavs for LeBron in 2018? The Lakers? Probably not.

Kyrie may want out, but if they don't trade him, there's a chance he may end up reconciling with LeBron and resigning with the Cavs.

Maybe not, but maybe so.

Yeah man, let Kyrie stay . Break off all negotiations and set fire to the bridge, tell the Cavs we are moving on.

Why? How does it help Phoenix to break off negotiations?

Because we should just go back to the course we were on before Kyrie decided he wanted out and the Cavs decided they wanted what we had. Since **** changed for them, now its our obligation to give up young talent and picks to appease them, **** that. They are set on two things, one that they should get assets that we dont want to give up in Jackson, Warren Chriss picks, when we were perfectly willing and excited to roll into the this season with these guys and assets. Two that they are saying they are completely fine waiting and dragging this **** out. Screw you man, YOU CALLED ME!!! Damned if we stew all summer hanging on if they allow us to give up the asset they want, while not moving on to our own **** that needs to be handled. If they want to drag this out, then we should just move on. What is next for Len?? Are we keeping Chandler?? Is there another trade out there for Bled (Denver seemed interested). They want to wait it out in hopes they get the assets we dont want to give up. Now if this is cut and dry and can be done reasonably (Bled and picks, or with Warren if needed, or if they find a way to include Duds and or Chandler) and its gonna be done like now, FINE. But if you want to drag this out then we should just move on right now.

[King4Day]

I'm thinking both Kyrie and LeBron remain with Cavs and work it out.

Think about it - who's a better option than the Cavs for LeBron in 2018? The Lakers? Probably not.

Kyrie may want out, but if they don't trade him, there's a chance he may end up reconciling with LeBron and resigning with the Cavs.

Maybe not, but maybe so.

Terry Pluto was on The Herd and said Lebron-Kyrie are so far beyond repair that he's getting dealt.

A good reason why we shouldn't offer them much else. Bledsoe, the Miami pick, and a straggling piece like Reed (i'd hate to lose him but can tolerate it if necessary).

If there is real belief around the league that the relationship is irreparable, then we shouldn't offer them much of anything anymore. Bledsoe would love to be there I'm sure, since he'll be playing for a contender and with LeBron. And if Bron leaves after next season, he suck it up for one more year and then always bail himself.

Stars leave for nothing these days. It wouldn't be unusual and as someone mentioned earlier, stars aren't fetching what you'd expect them to anymore.

[King4Day]

Regardless of whether we land Irving or not, I really want to see McD make a big push for Anthony Davis next offseason. If we have a top 3 pick, I would start the package with that and pretty much anything they want. We'd probably have to give up Jackson though which would hurt but that's the only player I would be OK with it.

Starting a deal with Jackson, 2018 1st, Miami's 2021 as a starting point.
Ultimately, you want a core of Booker and Davis. Then you start putting the parts around them.
I know it would take more. You also have to remember the C's can offer way more than we can. So that's who we'd have to watch out for.

[Villalobos]

I'm thinking both Kyrie and LeBron remain with Cavs and work it out.

Think about it - who's a better option than the Cavs for LeBron in 2018? The Lakers? Probably not.

Kyrie may want out, but if they don't trade him, there's a chance he may end up reconciling with LeBron and resigning with the Cavs.

Maybe not, but maybe so.

Terry Pluto was on The Herd and said Lebron-Kyrie are so far beyond repair that he's getting dealt.

A good reason why we shouldn't offer them much else. Bledsoe, the Miami pick, and a straggling piece like Reed (i'd hate to lose him but can tolerate it if necessary).

If there is real belief around the league that the relationship is irreparable, then we shouldn't offer them much of anything anymore. Bledsoe would love to be there I'm sure, since he'll be playing for a contender and with LeBron. And if Bron leaves after next season, he suck it up for one more year and then always bail himself.

Stars leave for nothing these days. It wouldn't be unusual and as someone mentioned earlier, stars aren't fetching what you'd expect them to anymore.

If Bron leaves then I think the Cavs would trade Bledsoe and Love right after, go full rebuild ASAP. Especially if a team like Denver still doesn't have a good point guard. So he likely ends up on a decent team after. Win-win for everyone.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Regardless of whether we land Irving or not, I really want to see McD make a big push for Anthony Davis next offseason. If we have a top 3 pick, I would start the package with that and pretty much anything they want. We'd probably have to give up Jackson though which would hurt but that's the only player I would be OK with it.

Starting a deal with Jackson, 2018 1st, Miami's 2021 as a starting point.
Ultimately, you want a core of Booker and Davis. Then you start putting the parts around them.
I know it would take more. You also have to remember the C's can offer way more than we can. So that's who we'd have to watch out for.

We'll sign the last piece as a FA. That way we don't have to lose any of our talented young players.