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Re: Just A Simple Honest Question 

Post#21 » by Wammy Giveaway » Thu Aug 3, 2017 8:49 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:
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Quake Griffin wrote:Clipper fans deserve a championship.


esqtvd wrote:Cubbie fans waited 108 years. Ranma, etc., need to wait at least twice that. They deserve nothing. And they shall receive it...in abundance!


Why do the Clippers deserve a championship? I'm not talking about the fans here, just the team.

Not sure why you'd ask that if I never said that.

Hopefully that was aimed towards esqtvd. I intend to not get in the mud with his Ranma bashing.
Ranma's a good Clipper fan and an excellent contributor to this board.


Actually, the question was aimed to both of you.

You said that the fans deserve a title. After all the losing seasons they've been through, never becoming relevant until former commissioner David Stern stepped in with the infamous Lakers veto, that claim is warranted. My concern is with the team itself.

Originally in that same post, I was to go into a rant about the Lakers silver-platter Midas-touch lady-luck ways, and its psychological effect on the Clippers franchise. They're jealous of the Lakers. When they came to L.A. under the evil Sterling regime, he hoped that the same things the Lakers experienced would work for his own franchise as well. There are a lot of things working against that:

1. The Clippers were a swap of the Boston Celtics, the Laker's arch nemesis. This makes the Clippers the Laker's natural enemy.
2. Donald Sterling helped Dr. Jerry Buss in purchasing the Lakers. This makes Sterling a Laker spy. He can stab the Clippers in the back and not even know it, because he never cared, because Jerry would take care of everything. The Lakers were once the golden child of the league.

But that's only part of the problem. Excluding the Sterling regime as we're seeing with the Danilo Gallinari punching incident, this team as a whole has no direction, no leadership, no backbone. Every win and loss is taken personally. They seemed more concerned about getting into the good graces of L.A. and usurping the Lakers instead of doing what every team is supposed to be doing: constructing teams in an unbiased basketball sense that is congruent to fighting for a championship. Every team is doing this, from the dynastic competitors like the Golden State Warriors; counter-competitors like the San Antonio Spurs, Cleveland Cavaliers, and now the Houston Rockets. Even the lottery teams like the Atlanta Hawks and Sacramento Kings are looking at the bigger picture and using the draft to pluck out players who are either future franchise cornerstones or have amazing talent that can spearhead a winning culture. The Clippers seem more concerned about being loved by any means necessary; complaining about basketball injustice at the risk of getting ejected, fined or suspended; protecting their closest friends or family members from any sort of scrutiny all because of their security blanket morality pet status.

The Clippers are this close to resurrecting the Malice At The Palace. I fear that the Clippers will do something so heinous that commissioner Adam Silver will recommend taking a season away from them... even if their hearts were in the right place.

In regards to Ranma, he's a good companion and supporter. He wants to see some decency in the franchise just like I do. My methods range from tough love to vehement disassociation ("You're no longer a part of the family" as an example quote). I know that Ranma will disagree to a majority, if not all, of my post, but bashing a fellow debater is unacceptable. We have our differences, but I know he's a good person.

And a good Ranma ½ fan.
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Re: Just A Simple Honest Question 

Post#22 » by esqtvd » Thu Aug 3, 2017 9:38 pm

Wammy Giveaway wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:
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Why do the Clippers deserve a championship? I'm not talking about the fans here, just the team.

Not sure why you'd ask that if I never said that.

Hopefully that was aimed towards esqtvd. I intend to not get in the mud with his Ranma bashing.
Ranma's a good Clipper fan and an excellent contributor to this board.


Actually, the question was aimed to both of you.

You said that the fans deserve a title. After all the losing seasons they've been through, never becoming relevant until former commissioner David Stern stepped in with the infamous Lakers veto, that claim is warranted. My concern is with the team itself.


But that's only part of the problem. Excluding the Sterling regime as we're seeing with the Danilo Gallinari punching incident, this team as a whole has no direction, no leadership, no backbone. Every win and loss is taken personally. They seemed more concerned about getting into the good graces of L.A. and usurping the Lakers instead of doing what every team is supposed to be doing: constructing teams in an unbiased basketball sense that is congruent to fighting for a championship. Every team is doing this, from the dynastic competitors like the Golden State Warriors; counter-competitors like the San Antonio Spurs, Cleveland Cavaliers, and now the Houston Rockets. Even the lottery teams like the Atlanta Hawks and Sacramento Kings are looking at the bigger picture and using the draft to pluck out players who are either future franchise cornerstones or have amazing talent that can spearhead a winning culture. The Clippers seem more concerned about being loved by any means necessary; complaining about basketball injustice at the risk of getting ejected, fined or suspended; protecting their closest friends or family members from any sort of scrutiny all because of their security blanket morality pet status.

The Clippers are this close to resurrecting the Malice At The Palace. I fear that the Clippers will do something so heinous that commissioner Adam Silver will recommend taking a season away from them... even if their hearts were in the right place.



As far as the character thing, mostly it sounds like you're talking about Blake Griffin. But by most accounts, Doc did shop him in 2016, but got no acceptable offers. And while there was hope of keeping CP, you just couldn't dump him willy-nilly. But maybe there is a character issue there.

As for the rest, it always comes back to the Spurs--who haven't had a killer draft pick since George Hill in 2008--and now GSW, who wouldn't be squat if Steph Curry hadn't transformed from a bad-ankled kid who wasn't even worth a max contract into the deadliest shooter the game has ever known.

Oh, and of course any team LeBron chooses to play for.

As for the Hawks or Kings or Sixers and Wolves for that matter, whether their armies of high picks turn into championship material is far from certain. Something like 25 of the last 30 titles have been won by one of the 15 greatest players of all time--Bron, Duncan, Kobe, Jordan, Olajuwon, Magic and Bird. You're pretty much SOL without one. And Steph has pretty much crashed the list. So pretty much you're a treadmill team without one.

As for the highly critical fans, the irony is that we sucked for so many years there was hardly any reason to get exercised one way or the other. Then when we at least got in sight of the promised land--50-win seasons are the passport--all of a sudden our flaws were magnified. I guess the part I didn't and still don't like is the character assassination of Doc Rivers. I don't think he's the greatest anything, but when people get personal on him, I think it stinks, especially when we should have been enjoying those 50-win seasons instead of p***ing all over them and Doc. That's not being a fan to me, and I don't think it deserves a reward. We have our share of those people back in Negadelphia, the home of entire decades of misery at a time, but not when we have a winning team. When the glass is 3/4 full, enjoy it, fer crissakes.

To all those fans who suffered through the Sports Arena days and know who Keith Closs is, though, hell yeah we deserve one.

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Post#23 » by Ranma » Thu Aug 3, 2017 10:08 pm

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Post#24 » by Ranma » Thu Aug 3, 2017 10:23 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Hopefully that was aimed towards esqtvd. I intend to not get in the mud with his Ranma bashing.
Ranma's a good Clipper fan and an excellent contributor to this board.

Wammy Giveaway wrote:In regards to Ranma, he's a good companion and supporter. He wants to see some decency in the franchise just like I do. My methods range from tough love to vehement disassociation ("You're no longer a part of the family" as an example quote). I know that Ranma will disagree to a majority, if not all, of my post, but bashing a fellow debater is unacceptable. We have our differences, but I know he's a good person.

And a good Ranma ½ fan.


Uh...thanks, guys. I appreciate the kind words. I'm just not sure how I got caught up in something when I've been preoccupied with the Dodgers' dealings from the recently expired trade deadline. I'll have to go back and review this thread when I have a chance, but I suspect it has to do with one of the people on my ignored list, which actually only has 2 members in the entire RealGM community on it; the rest are carry-over reminders of my previous experience from another online forum. Even still, I'm not inclined to waste my time to unhide comments I suspect are mostly gibberish.

Again, I appreciate the support, Quake and Wammy.
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Re: Are We Still a Treadmill Team.... 

Post#25 » by TucsonClip » Fri Aug 4, 2017 12:47 am

This is a playoff team, keep saying it. Our flexibility isnt exactly desirable, but we certainly have some options to improve moving forward. All depends on where the front office sees this team going vs. what they think they can get for value on some of these guys under contract.

Plenty of options. Many more than I thought we would have after the CP3 saga.
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Re: Are We Still a Treadmill Team.... 

Post#26 » by nickhx2 » Fri Aug 4, 2017 12:55 am

i think from a technical standpoint we should be rather pleased at how our options are freer than before.
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Re: Are We Still a Treadmill Team.... 

Post#27 » by esqtvd » Fri Aug 4, 2017 1:34 am

yes, our starting 5 always statted out as near the top
but the depth killed us
the Big 3 ate 2/3 of the cap

next stop: DJ
now, it could be you don't know what you've got til its gone and we'll miss the iron man anchor of the defense
but he makes so much damn money and he's a liability in crunchtime, when it counts

you want to feature him just enough so he thinks it's worth it for him to opt out
and who knows
somebody might just give us value for him
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Re: Just A Simple Honest Question 

Post#28 » by Neddy » Fri Aug 4, 2017 4:26 am

Quake Griffin wrote:
Wammy Giveaway wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:Clipper fans deserve a championship.


esqtvd wrote:Omitted


Why do the Clippers deserve a championship? I'm not talking about the fans here, just the team.

Not sure why you'd ask that if I never said that.

Hopefully that was aimed towards esqtvd. I intend to not get in the mud with his Ranma bashing.
Ranma's a good Clipper fan and an excellent contributor to this board.


some people have issues that need professional help.

and I second that Ranma is a great clipper and an excellent contributor to this board.

one more, don't ever write a post you would later regret to omit/delete. it's juvenile.
ehhhhh f it.
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Re: Just A Simple Honest Question 

Post#29 » by esqtvd » Fri Aug 4, 2017 4:58 am

Neddy wrote:
Quake Griffin wrote:
Wammy Giveaway wrote:


Why do the Clippers deserve a championship? I'm not talking about the fans here, just the team.

Not sure why you'd ask that if I never said that.

Hopefully that was aimed towards esqtvd. I intend to not get in the mud with his Ranma bashing.
Ranma's a good Clipper fan and an excellent contributor to this board.


some people have issues that need professional help.

and I second that Ranma is a great clipper and an excellent contributor to this board.

one more, don't ever write a post you would later regret to omit/delete. it's juvenile.


I deleted nothing, except in re-quotes to de-escalate as the moderators have asked

I think guys who slime Doc on a personal and character level should be called out
so I do

I think it stinks
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