NavLDO wrote:DRK wrote:cosmofizzo wrote:Am I to understand that top 5 picks aren't valuable because Alex Len didn't turn out so well?
Do #27 picks explode in value over time because Gobert worked out? #16 picks because of Giannis? What are we even talking about?
You pretty much proved my point there. The draft is a crapshoot. Tank-advocatists hedge their entire future on draft picks that may never pan out. You can hit big on a top 5 pick, or you may not. You may hit big on a late first rounder, who knows?
Im not willing to pass up the opportunity to acquire Kyrie by drafting that Top 5 pick superstar that may never happen. Who knows if Bender or Chriss pan out? People are saying the same things about Bender that we were saying about Len 3 years ago. Lets not let the obsession and addiction to a "full blown youth movement" blind us from the roses in front of us, which is an opportunity to trade for a Superstar player while still keeping a huge chunk of our young assets
Exactly. I'm coming into this debate blind, and have no idea what the original argument is about, but if it has anything to do with not wanting to trade our next year's draft pick as part of the package for Kyrie, well, to me, that makes no sense. Heck, Kyrie is a #1 Overall Pick. What does that mean? IDK. Some will say he hasn't lived up to #1 Overall Pick status, well that happens...a lot...if one is in the camp that he has, then great, why wouldn't you trade any pick we own as part of the package, since Kyrie is only 25, and has at least 6-8 good years left in him. Maybe he and Booker work together famously, who knows?
But back to draft picks and this specific trade. I also see a ton of fans here saying 'I wouldn't trade our pick, but I would trade the Heat's. Why? If we get Irving by trading Chriss, our 2018 pick, and Bledsoe, regardless who 'starts', we likely have Irving, Booker, Jackson, Warren, Chandler, Sauce, Bender, Dudley, and Ulis getting 20+ minutes a game. That's a good blend of veteran experience and youth, and despite what some may think, I consider the 2+ years younger player, who even has one less NBA year experience, BUT, has 1700 more minutes played, as being more of a 'veteran' player. So that's Kyrie, Chandler, Dudley, or 1/3, as being seasoned vets, another 2 as being considered to young veterans, and the other four as brand new.
Yes, they are on the young side, but not impossibly so that they cannot perform well this year. My point is, there is no 'for certain' argument that the Heat will outperform us this season. Heck, look at their roster this upcoming season, and they only have Dragic, Whiteside, Johnson, and Waiters as guys with 5+ years experience with that are halfway decent. I like our odds with Irving to be close to as good as the Heat this year; at best, I see the Heat picking 16th. At worst, unless we win the lottery ( yeah right), we are likely closer to 7th to 9th. Barring an injury to Booker, Kyrie, or Warren, I think we finish in the teens, and I'll leave it at that.
