Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[triple_threat]

Kyrie shump Tristan for cousins jrue

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[afarmenian]

Yeah but teams were bidding against each other for Cousins, George or Butler as well and look what they were traded for. Cleveland HAS to trade Irving in the next couple of weeks and everybody knows it which is why teams are lowballing them. Nobody's going to break the bank for a player that has to be traded.

ok Cousins major baggage. 1 less year George and still a bad deal, Butler mediocre deal still got a couple prospects but another average-bad deal.

So because other teams have been making bad deals and panicking they Cavs should too?

[Stillwater]

The opinion not just in Cleveland is that without Jackson, Phoenix will be outbid & cannot acquire Irving. The only place that is not the opinion is in Phoenix or on other orgs trying to devalue Irving returns.It changes nothing that Phoenix won't give up Jackson other than 1 less team with any legitimate shot at getting KI.
So, if they are not moving Jackson,so be it. on to the next bidder.
Bender showed signs of being a likely bust, Chriss although likely a good nba pro does not show signs of being there for awhile. TJ Warren is not even a filler option for the Cavs.

[12footrim]

1. Cavs can get to the Finals with or without Bledsoe. They almost certainly get to the Finals if they keep Kyrie.

I'm not arguing that. Personally I think they should just make Kyrie play the year out and if Lebron walks like it appears he will then just try to mend fences with Kyrie and give him his own team and at least get total clarity on the direction.

If they trade Kyrie for someone like Murray there is good chance they wouldn't get to the finals.

2. If Cleveland thought bringing in LeBron's buddies would keep him in Cleveland beyond 2018 then Carmelo would have been here by now. The idea that Eric Bledsoe would keep LeBron in Cleveland is comical.

Carmelo has to waive a no trade and has a negative contract. Bledsoe still has good value with our without Lebron. He's only 2 years older than Kyrie and on a 15 million dollar a year contract and honestly isn't much less of a player overall if at all. 20+PER, better defense etc.

I'm just saying at least you got more of a chance to keep Lebron and they could be better with Bledsoe. They need two way players.

[MEGAQUIB]

The opinion not just in Cleveland is that without Jackson, Phoenix will be outbid & cannot acquire Irving. The only place that is not the opinion is in Phoenix or on other orgs trying to devalue Irving returns.It changes nothing that Phoenix won't give up Jackson other than 1 less team with any legitimate shot at getting KI.
So, if they are not moving Jackson,so be it. on to the next bidder.
Bender showed signs of being a likely bust, Chriss although likely a good nba pro does not show signs of being there for awhile. TJ Warren is not even a filler option for the Cavs.

Can you name a better, more realistic package from any team than Bledsoe, Warren, Bender?

[phraoh]

[quote="MEGAQUIB"][quote="Stillwater"]The opinion not just in Cleveland is that without Jackson, Phoenix will be outbid & cannot acquire Irving. The only place that is not the opinion is in Phoenix or on other orgs trying to devalue Irving returns.It changes nothing that Phoenix won't give up Jackson other than 1 less team with any legitimate shot at getting KI.
So, if they are not moving Jackson,so be it. on to the next bidder.
Bender showed signs of being a likely bust, Chriss although likely a good nba pro does not show signs of being there for awhile. TJ Warren is not even a filler option for the Cavs.[/quote]
Can you name a better, more realistic package from any team than Bledsoe, Warren, Bender?[/quote]

Yes, really any team that puts in a bid...Bledsoe - average to slightly above average pg with huge injury risks, on a decent contract, but only for 2 more years...also 28 vs. 25 for Kyrie. Warren is useless...mediocre player, no outside shot, last year of contract. Bender - useless to Cavs...hasn't shown anything...whether he will develop is anyone's guess. You didn't even give up any decent picks.

I would rather have Lee, Frank N, O"quinn and two 1st round pick than Phoenix's offer.

[Takingbaconback]

The opinion not just in Cleveland is that without Jackson, Phoenix will be outbid & cannot acquire Irving. The only place that is not the opinion is in Phoenix or on other orgs trying to devalue Irving returns.It changes nothing that Phoenix won't give up Jackson other than 1 less team with any legitimate shot at getting KI.
So, if they are not moving Jackson,so be it. on to the next bidder.
Bender showed signs of being a likely bust, Chriss although likely a good nba pro does not show signs of being there for awhile. TJ Warren is not even a filler option for the Cavs.

Can you name a better, more realistic package from any team than Bledsoe, Warren, Bender?

Yes, really any team that puts in a bid...Bledsoe - average to slightly above average pg with huge injury risks, on a decent contract, but only for 2 more years...also 28 vs. 25 for Kyrie. Warren is useless...mediocre player, no outside shot, last year of contract. Bender - useless to Cavs...hasn't shown anything...whether he will develop is anyone's guess. You didn't even give up any decent picks.

I would rather have Lee, Frank N, O"quinn and two 1st round pick than Phoenix's offer.

That's what you see as a fan. Cavs already stated they want a win now piece, this trade makes them alot worse now. LeBron would be pissed and he's going to be gone in FA for sure. Phoenix is the best trading partner, not only because of the assets but Bledsoe who is the best win now piece available if Kyrie is going out.

[clyde21]

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[OsuCavsfan103]

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If I'm Gilbert and Altman I tell PHX to shove it up their arse with that crap. Swap Bender out for Jackson or no deal. You have a chance to get a 25 year old top 5 pg in the league with finals experience, or hope and hope Jackson pans out and doesn't bolt as soon as his rookie deal is up.

I get PHX not wanting to lose Jackson, but at the end of the day they are choosing 4 years of an unknown and maybe more or 2 years with an all star proven guy and maybe more.

[HurricaneKid]

The Suns need to trade Bledsoe every bit as much as Minn needed to trade Rubio. The notion that The Suns can get Kyrie for a guy that was a DNP-CD the last 20% of the season is absurd. I would understand if they dont want to include JJ but if thats their decision they are not going to get Kyrie.

And if that is the path they choose they are going to end up with a ~21st pick for Bledsoe. So they are saying "no" to a ~21st pick and JJ for Kyrie. And that seems a little silly.

[Hesh]

The Suns need to trade Bledsoe every bit as much as Minn needed to trade Rubio. The notion that The Suns can get Kyrie for a guy that was a DNP-CD the last 20% of the season is absurd. I would understand if they dont want to include JJ but if thats their decision they are not going to get Kyrie.

And if that is the path they choose they are going to end up with a ~21st pick for Bledsoe. So they are saying "no" to a ~21st pick and JJ for Kyrie. And that seems a little silly.

So the Cavs are trying to trade their all star for an unknown and unproven prospect (JJ), a future firs and a "21st pick" ?

[collidingNeurons]

The Suns need to trade Bledsoe every bit as much as Minn needed to trade Rubio. The notion that The Suns can get Kyrie for a guy that was a DNP-CD the last 20% of the season is absurd. I would understand if they dont want to include JJ but if thats their decision they are not going to get Kyrie.

And if that is the path they choose they are going to end up with a ~21st pick for Bledsoe. So they are saying "no" to a ~21st pick and JJ for Kyrie. And that seems a little silly.

why exactly do the Suns need to trade Bledsoe at all? Its' not like they are trying to make the playoff this year with or without Irving, they dont have a superstar they are trying to appease in hopes he sticks around and Bledsoe not only hasn't asked to be traded he publicly came out and said he would come play his heart out for any team he is on and likes it in Phoenix

I hope no trade goes through for Phoenix and Cleveland and kyrie goes somewhere else but the Suns were prepared to ride their current team til Kyrie demanded a trade and i suspect they can just go back to that pretty easily once he is traded

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[Jack Dempsey]

Yeah but teams were bidding against each other for Cousins, George or Butler as well and look what they were traded for. Cleveland HAS to trade Irving in the next couple of weeks and everybody knows it which is why teams are lowballing them. Nobody's going to break the bank for a player that has to be traded.

ok Cousins major baggage. 1 less year George and still a bad deal, Butler mediocre deal still got a couple prospects but another average-bad deal.

So because other teams have been making bad deals and panicking they Cavs should too?

They should take the best offer available... or keep Kyrie.

I would rather have Lee, Frank N, O"quinn and two 1st round pick than Phoenix's offer.

I didn't know that offer was on the table. Did you make it up? I thought NYK didn't want to part with that Frank-guy.

[MotownMadness]

Add the Detroit Pistons to the list of teams interested in Kyrie Irving.

According to Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press, the Pistons are interested in Irving, and as he notes, coach and team president Stan Van Gundy told the Pistons’ official team site that Detroit has “had some level of conversation with the Cavs.”

For the Cavs, the Pistons do not make much sense as a trade partner. Other veteran point guards - notably Phoenix’s Eric Bledsoe and Miami’s Goran Dragic - are potentially available and better than Detroit’s Reggie Jackson. And unless the Cavs really, really like Stanley Johnson, the Pistons do not have the blue-chip young player on a rookie contract the Cavs are seeking in return for Irving.

Not that I think we could pull it off but like I said Gilbert does have a lot of business in downtown Detroit. With the Pistons new arena opening up and Kyrie there it could bring in slot of revenue Downtown.

[Kerrsed]

Cavs aren't winning a thing by swapping Irving for Bledsoe though. Their best bet to win now if they still trade Irving is to trade him for premium assets and waiting until the trade deadline to trade those premium assets for a disgruntled star. Cleveland doesn't need to complete their team right now. They have to complete their team by the trade deadline.

2 things.

#1 another trip to the finals isn't insignificant. I actually think Bledsoe makes them a little better or at least pretty comparable. He's also on a very reasonable 2 year deal. That is value and the finals makes the franchise money.

#2 Bledsoe is a friend of Lebron and if it goes reasonably well that helps out keeping him which is looking more grim by the day. If you trade for someone like Jamal Murray he's is gone for sure.


Bledsoe is very fair, pair him with Chriss or TJ Warren and a pick and I think that's fair and as you get and provides present and future value and honestly the time is now. They have almost no chance to go to a finals for 5 or 10 years if they don't this year or if Lebron leaves. Take your shot now, never know who gets injuried, if you get there you have a chance.

1. Cavs can get to the Finals with or without Bledsoe. They almost certainly get to the Finals if they keep Kyrie.

2. If Cleveland thought bringing in LeBron's buddies would keep him in Cleveland beyond 2018 then Carmelo would have been here by now. The idea that Eric Bledsoe would keep LeBron in Cleveland is comical.

What pick are we talking about because I don't view a pick in the 15-25 range and Chriss as good long-term value.

1. Make up your mind. First you say they arnt winning a thing with Bledsoe, now you're saying they can make it to the Finals with or without Bledsoe. I understand you're a Bledsoe hater, but which one is it?

2. Didnt Melo let it be known that Cleveland isnt on his list? Hasnt every report from the past month now state that all he wants is Houston? Im pretty sure that if he opened it back up to Cleveland OR Houston, the cavs would have traded for him by now.

Its all a moot point. Lebron signing one year deals is a dick move. He is basically holding the team hostage every year and they cant plan for a future. I think his "friends" know this. I think the FO knows this as well.

[akhan786]

The NBA would be so much more fun if Kyrie is playing in MSG. Please Silver make it happen for your fellow Dukie.

[Kerrsed]

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If I'm Gilbert and Altman I tell PHX to shove it up their arse with that crap. Swap Bender out for Jackson or no deal. You have a chance to get a 25 year old top 5 pg in the league with finals experience, or hope and hope Jackson pans out and doesn't bolt as soon as his rookie deal is up.

I get PHX not wanting to lose Jackson, but at the end of the day they are choosing 4 years of an unknown and maybe more or 2 years with an all star proven guy and maybe more.

Thats more than fine with us.

As its been stated many many many times before, we are a rebuilding team and are willing to stick with a highly touted rookie stud for the next 7-9 years than give up the farm for what could be 2 years of a PG that isnt that much better than one we would be giving up along with a high first round pick. Irving is a luxury that we really dont need at this point of our rebuild.

[King4Day]

The only way Jackson is included is if Sarver (owner) gets involved. He supposedly put his trust in McDonough by giving him that extension.
Some are saying the Cavs don't need to make the move but neither does Phoenix. It'd be nice to have a star but it's not important. Most fans have accepted the rebuild and are thrilled with it.

Also, to those saying Bender is a bust, he was injured most of last season. He's super young. The guy has skills that need to be polished so he could be special. To be fair, he may not be helpful to the Cavs next season though, but after that, they can work more with him as they go through a (possible) rebuild.

Not dealing Jackson is important because without him, the starting 5 has practically no defense. Irving, Booker, Warren can't play D. Chandler is losing it. Chriss is still growing.
You won't find a Suns fan in the forum who would be upset about not getting Irving if Jackson is the holdup. He's going to be a special player. At worst, he'll be a defensive cog the team needs.

[zimpy27]

I can see Miami trading Dragic, Winslow, tj for kyrie, Shumpert.

Or if pelicans don't do too well I can see Kyrie, Shumpert and TT being traded for jrue and cousins.

There are options if Cavs hold Kyrie for a little while