Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving?

[Kerrsed]

Im ready to just sit back and watch this Cleveland dumpster fire burn to the ground.

[DirtyDez]

Gambo has spoken - still says its ZERO without Jackson in the deal. And I am fine with that!

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Never thought that package would get it done. That's worse than what the Bulls got.

[MirORich]

A few things on sources as it relates to this trade:

Amico is laughable. He's has no real connections with the Cavs front office and is ridiculed by Cavs fans for close to a decade. The dude has never broken a significant Cavs trade. He's on the Kurt Helin level or worse. The only reason people are paying any attention to anything he's putting out there is that so little info from legit sources has leaked out yet. The current Cleveland Plain Dealer reporters(Vardon,Fedor) are not much better. They're younger guys hired in the last few years who have little in the way of legit connections in the NBA. They're beat reporters but I would not be counting on them for good rumors or even Cavs FO strategic leaks.

For actual Cavs news or even just Cavs propaganda/intentional leaks its Windhorst, Jason Lloyd, Chris Haynes, and of course the big guys like Woj and Shams.

The Cavs FO tried to operate on Kyrie moves after he requested the trade for almost 2 weeks in complete public silence and they were not the ones who leaked it in the first place.

So at this point, there is just no way to know or compare these potential Suns deal iterations vs. other offers as nothing has really broke or leaked yet.

[Jdiddy701]

I don't understand why Gambo would say that has a zero percent chance. I think he's reaching big time on that.


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[Saberestar]

A few things on sources as it relates to this trade:

Amico is laughable. He's has no real connections with the Cavs front office and is ridiculed by Cavs fans for close to a decade. The dude has never broken a significant Cavs trade. He's on the Kurt Helin level or worse. The only reason people are paying any attention to anything he's putting out there is that so little info from legit sources has leaked out yet. The current Cleveland Plain Dealer reporters(Vardon,Fedor) are not much better. They're younger guys hired in the last few years who have little in the way of legit connections in the NBA. They're beat reporters but I would not be counting on them for good rumors or even Cavs FO strategic leaks.

For actual Cavs news or even just Cavs propaganda/intentional leaks its Windhorst, Jason Lloyd, Chris Haynes, and of course the big guys like Woj and Shams.

The Cavs FO tried to operate on Kyrie moves after he requested the trade for almost 2 weeks in complete public silence and they were not the ones who leaked it in the first place.

So at this point, there is just no way to know or compare these potential Suns deal iterations vs. other offers as nothing has really broke or leaked yet.

And what do you think about Terry Pluto? Is he legit?

He gave a lot of info and leaks a few days ago.

[Kerrsed]

I mean we arnt budging on Jackson, Cleveland isnt budging on their insistence that he is included, time to walk away and let them deal with the headache that is currently festering. If i was McD, i would cut negotiations and just tell them, "You have the number".

Irving is a luxury right now. We dont need him, he doesnt make us a contender, and giving up our future for him makes no sense.

Time to walk away and let this saga play itself out.

[charley barkles]

I mean we arnt budging on Jackson, Cleveland isnt budging on their insistence that he is included, time to walk away and let them deal with the headache that is currently festering. If i was McD, i would cut negotiations and just tell them, "You have the number".

Irving is a luxury right now. We dont need him, he doesnt make us a contender, and giving up our future for him makes no sense.

Time to walk away and let this saga play itself out.

This may have already happened.

[bwgood77]

....just threw this together right quick....

I wouldn't suggest trolling other teams with sigs.

[ShawnBronald]

A trio of Kyrie/Booker/Chriss is going to be unbelievably bad on defense.

That's called Phoenix Suns basketball.

[Kerrsed]

....just threw this together right quick....

I wouldn't suggest trolling other teams with sigs.

It was more so for the Cleveland fans to rock if they wanted to (I know they are lurking). I did get 2 "And 1's" both from Cleveland posters. I wasnt going to post it on their board or anything.

[bwgood77]

....just threw this together right quick....

I wouldn't suggest trolling other teams with sigs.

It was more so for the Cleveland fans to rock if they wanted to (I know they are lurking). I did get 2 "And 1's" both from Cleveland posters. I wasnt going to post it on their board or anything.

I just wanted to make sure none of our fans used it and started posting on the general board, trade board, etc.

[Villalobos]

Gambo has spoken - still says its ZERO without Jackson in the deal. And I am fine with that!

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Never thought that package would get it done. That's worse than what the Bulls got.

Butler is much better than Kyrie, and he wasn't demanding a trade and creating a bunch of drama, or limiting his preferred spots to four teams, or was on a contender whose clock is ticking to be able to seriously contend for a title next season, so it should be worse.

[Saberestar]

Gambo has spoken - still says its ZERO without Jackson in the deal. And I am fine with that!

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Never thought that package would get it done. That's worse than what the Bulls got.

Butler is much better than Kyrie, and he wasn't demanding a trade and creating a bunch of drama, or limiting his preferred spots to four teams, or was on a contender whose clock is ticking to be able to seriously contend for a title next season, so it should be worse.

That is debatable, I think that Kyrie is the better player.

[MirORich]

A few things on sources as it relates to this trade:

Amico is laughable. He's has no real connections with the Cavs front office and is ridiculed by Cavs fans for close to a decade. The dude has never broken a significant Cavs trade. He's on the Kurt Helin level or worse. The only reason people are paying any attention to anything he's putting out there is that so little info from legit sources has leaked out yet. The current Cleveland Plain Dealer reporters(Vardon,Fedor) are not much better. They're younger guys hired in the last few years who have little in the way of legit connections in the NBA. They're beat reporters but I would not be counting on them for good rumors or even Cavs FO strategic leaks.

For actual Cavs news or even just Cavs propaganda/intentional leaks its Windhorst, Jason Lloyd, Chris Haynes, and of course the big guys like Woj and Shams.

The Cavs FO tried to operate on Kyrie moves after he requested the trade for almost 2 weeks in complete public silence and they were not the ones who leaked it in the first place.

So at this point, there is just no way to know or compare these potential Suns deal iterations vs. other offers as nothing has really broke or leaked yet.

And what do you think about Terry Pluto? Is he legit?

He gave a lot of info and leaks a few days ago.

Pluto has been around in Akron/Cleveland forever. Always been a full city sports beat guy than just focused on the Cavs as far as I remember. Over the past 5-6, I can't recall him doing a ton of Cavs specific based reporting, especially on the rumon end of things. So on one hand, it's weird to see him writing very detailed opinions or facts about the Cavs in the past few weeks, but I on the other, I don't see him as a guy who makes **** up for his own benefit(not a new school gossip/social media/aggregator type of guy)

I'll have to go back and reveiw what he's said on the Kyrie related stuff.

I do agree with Gambano's tweet reply where when asked what teams had offered something better than Bledsoe, Bender, pick, he said several. But that's just based on my own opinion and reading of the tea leaves of this so far being handled very secretly/without many leaks. Is Gambano someone a majority of Suns fans consider legit(I'm a Cavs fan if thats not already obvious)? Not always right, but at least coming from a place of integrity and having legit organizational connections?

[AtheJ415]

Never thought that package would get it done. That's worse than what the Bulls got.

Butler is much better than Kyrie, and he wasn't demanding a trade and creating a bunch of drama, or limiting his preferred spots to four teams, or was on a contender whose clock is ticking to be able to seriously contend for a title next season, so it should be worse.

That is debatable, I think that Kyrie is the better player.

Defense matters.

[thamadkant]

Gambo with the hyperbole.

Zero?

Really.


Cavs owner could have a change of heart and the deal goes through with that offer. No such thing as zero percentage in a subjective world.

[DirtyDez]

Gambo has spoken - still says its ZERO without Jackson in the deal. And I am fine with that!

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Never thought that package would get it done. That's worse than what the Bulls got.

Butler is much better than Kyrie, and he wasn't demanding a trade and creating a bunch of drama, or limiting his preferred spots to four teams, or was on a contender whose clock is ticking to be able to seriously contend for a title next season, so it should be worse.

If the Cavs were terrible like the Bulls and Kyrie was causing a stir I'd be more inclined to agree with you. They probably would've taken that deal already.

[lilfishi22]

I'm still on board with getting Kyrie, but the more the Cavs seem to want to drag their feet, the more I'm inclined to walk away. The offer of Bledsoe, Miami, Bender is generous (I love me some Bender) and with the Wolves walking away, that's one less option for the Cavs. I'd still have that offer on the table but it can't be a standing offer. We should walk away if the Cavs can't get their **** together.

That said, I would effin hate it if we walked away and the Cavs traded Kyrie for a worse package than what we're offering.

[lilfishi22]

Butler is much better than Kyrie, and he wasn't demanding a trade and creating a bunch of drama, or limiting his preferred spots to four teams, or was on a contender whose clock is ticking to be able to seriously contend for a title next season, so it should be worse.

That is debatable, I think that Kyrie is the better player.

Defense matters.

No nearly as much at the PG position.

[Dupp]

Butler is much better than Kyrie, and he wasn't demanding a trade and creating a bunch of drama, or limiting his preferred spots to four teams, or was on a contender whose clock is ticking to be able to seriously contend for a title next season, so it should be worse.

That is debatable, I think that Kyrie is the better player.

Defense matters.

Well also butler is a better playmaker. I guess he was underwhelming in the playoffs so that's advantage Kyrie but I'd say butler is a lot better.

But bulls took a terrible deal for him which doesn't mean the cavs should or will. But we might also get owned on a trade like the bulls did. Time will tell.