Markelle Fultz Discussion

[Negrodamus]

Fultz
Redick
Covington
Simmons
Okafor

This team wins more than 29 games, last year we won 28 games. Anyway, add Embiid and your talking playoffs.

I think Lloyd and I can both agree that Okafor would not be the one worthy of that final starting spot. That's for sure.

Simmons is a great rebounder and passer, he would set Okafor up for layups. Okafor would average 20 pts or more finishing Simmons' assists. Okafor is a very good scoring big. Holmes is a very good player, but he is not a starting center. Anyway, Okafor with the starters is still a very good team, maybe 40 wins.

Fultz............Sergio
Redick..........Stauskus
Covington......Covington
Simmons........Saric
Okafor...........Holmes

The guard upgrade gets you 10 to 15 more wins than last year.

I'm looking at a lineup that can't defend the rim, like at all.

[Tiny ball]

the hatred some seem to have for Fultz is amazing. **** are secretly hoping for one of their own players to bust all so they can go I told you so...sad.

I don't think there is any way Fultz is a bust without​ massive injuries. Fultz can flat out play basketball..

[Chris76]

I think Lloyd and I can both agree that Okafor would not be the one worthy of that final starting spot. That's for sure.

Simmons is a great rebounder and passer, he would set Okafor up for layups. Okafor would average 20 pts or more finishing Simmons' assists. Okafor is a very good scoring big. Holmes is a very good player, but he is not a starting center. Anyway, Okafor with the starters is still a very good team, maybe 40 wins.

Fultz............Sergio
Redick..........Stauskus
Covington......Covington
Simmons........Saric
Okafor...........Holmes

The guard upgrade gets you 10 to 15 more wins than last year.

I'm looking at a lineup that can't defend the rim, like at all.

You want to focus on the negatives from a team that wanted to lose to get 2 #1 picks. Okafor is healthier now and has coaches that have been drilling him on ways to make the team better. If Embiid misses games, Okafor is the best chance for wins. You can't deny comparing last years team to that lineup, you easily get 10 to 15 more wins.

[Negrodamus]

Simmons is a great rebounder and passer, he would set Okafor up for layups. Okafor would average 20 pts or more finishing Simmons' assists. Okafor is a very good scoring big. Holmes is a very good player, but he is not a starting center. Anyway, Okafor with the starters is still a very good team, maybe 40 wins.

Fultz............Sergio
Redick..........Stauskus
Covington......Covington
Simmons........Saric
Okafor...........Holmes

The guard upgrade gets you 10 to 15 more wins than last year.

I'm looking at a lineup that can't defend the rim, like at all.

You want to focus on the negatives from a team that wanted to lose to get 2 #1 picks. Okafor is healthier now and has coaches that have been drilling him on ways to make the team better. If Embiid misses games, Okafor is the best chance for wins. You can't deny comparing last years team to that lineup, you easily get 10 to 15 more wins.

No, literally the only things I want from my Embiid-less center in that lineup is the ability to defend the rim and to rebound. Okafor does neither. There's nothing to suggest he will be able to do both things next year besides blind optimism.

[Chris76]

I'm looking at a lineup that can't defend the rim, like at all.

You want to focus on the negatives from a team that wanted to lose to get 2 #1 picks. Okafor is healthier now and has coaches that have been drilling him on ways to make the team better. If Embiid misses games, Okafor is the best chance for wins. You can't deny comparing last years team to that lineup, you easily get 10 to 15 more wins.

No, literally the only things I want from my Embiid-less center in that lineup is the ability to defend the rim and to rebound. Okafor does neither. There's nothing to suggest he will be able to do both things next year besides blind optimism.

Okafor and Simmons are almost 7 ft, and Simmons is a great rebounder. He will do whatever it takes to win games. Okafor could score 30 pts a game and you would still consider him a bust.

[TTP]

You want to focus on the negatives from a team that wanted to lose to get 2 #1 picks. Okafor is healthier now and has coaches that have been drilling him on ways to make the team better. If Embiid misses games, Okafor is the best chance for wins. You can't deny comparing last years team to that lineup, you easily get 10 to 15 more wins.

No, literally the only things I want from my Embiid-less center in that lineup is the ability to defend the rim and to rebound. Okafor does neither. There's nothing to suggest he will be able to do both things next year besides blind optimism.

Okafor and Simmons are almost 7 ft, and Simmons is a great rebounder. He will do whatever it takes to win games. Okafor could score 30 pts a game and you would still consider him a bust.

Okafor could score 30 points while the Sixers lose every game and you'd still consider him a success.

[Chris76]

No, literally the only things I want from my Embiid-less center in that lineup is the ability to defend the rim and to rebound. Okafor does neither. There's nothing to suggest he will be able to do both things next year besides blind optimism.

Okafor and Simmons are almost 7 ft, and Simmons is a great rebounder. He will do whatever it takes to win games. Okafor could score 30 pts a game and you would still consider him a bust.

Okafor could score 30 points while the Sixers lose every game and you'd still consider him a success.

Why would the Sixers lose every game with Okafor playing well.

[TTP]

Okafor and Simmons are almost 7 ft, and Simmons is a great rebounder. He will do whatever it takes to win games. Okafor could score 30 pts a game and you would still consider him a bust.

Okafor could score 30 points while the Sixers lose every game and you'd still consider him a success.

Why would the Sixers lose every game with Okafor playing well.

I didn't say he was playing well.

This is a good example of your mindset though and why people here disagree with you on Okafor. You think scoring a lot of points automatically equals playing well.

[Chris76]

Okafor could score 30 points while the Sixers lose every game and you'd still consider him a success.

Why would the Sixers lose every game with Okafor playing well.

I didn't say he was playing well.

This is a good example of your mindset though and why people here disagree with you on Okafor. You think scoring a lot of points automatically equals playing well.

You didn't answer the question. Why would the Sixers lose every game with Okafor playing well?

[OleSchool]

Why would the Sixers lose every game with Okafor playing well.

I didn't say he was playing well.

This is a good example of your mindset though and why people here disagree with you on Okafor. You think scoring a lot of points automatically equals playing well.

You didn't answer the question. Why would the Sixers lose every game with Okafor playing well?

why do you think OK4 is going to turn into this magical player who isn't a negative on the court? who gives a damn if he averages 40+ points a game if he's giving up 60??

What have you seen at of him that suggests he all of a sudden turns into a average defensive player?? there is nothing in his history that suggests that, and to assume that happened this off-season I think you're setting yourself up for this huge letdown.

[Chris76]

I didn't say he was playing well.

This is a good example of your mindset though and why people here disagree with you on Okafor. You think scoring a lot of points automatically equals playing well.

You didn't answer the question. Why would the Sixers lose every game with Okafor playing well?

why do you think OK4 is going to turn into this magical player who isn't a negative on the court? who gives a damn if he averages 40+ points a game if he's giving up 60??

What have you seen at of him that suggests he all of a sudden turns into a average defensive player?? there is nothing in his history that suggests that, and to assume that happened this off-season I think you're setting yourself up for this huge letdown.

One of the Sixers strengths is their bigs. Embiid, Simmons, Saric, and Okafor is a good group. Teams will have difficulty defending them with everyone going small.

[TTP]

You didn't answer the question. Why would the Sixers lose every game with Okafor playing well?

why do you think OK4 is going to turn into this magical player who isn't a negative on the court? who gives a damn if he averages 40+ points a game if he's giving up 60??

What have you seen at of him that suggests he all of a sudden turns into a average defensive player?? there is nothing in his history that suggests that, and to assume that happened this off-season I think you're setting yourself up for this huge letdown.

One of the Sixers strengths is their bigs. Embiid, Simmons, Saric, and Okafor is a good group. Teams will have difficulty defending them with everyone going small.

I swear, you're the most likely person on the forum to be a bot with your programmed Okafor comments. How is your response related to his question at all?

[OleSchool]

You didn't answer the question. Why would the Sixers lose every game with Okafor playing well?

why do you think OK4 is going to turn into this magical player who isn't a negative on the court? who gives a damn if he averages 40+ points a game if he's giving up 60??

What have you seen at of him that suggests he all of a sudden turns into a average defensive player?? there is nothing in his history that suggests that, and to assume that happened this off-season I think you're setting yourself up for this huge letdown.

One of the Sixers strengths is their bigs. Embiid, Simmons, Saric, and Okafor is a good group. Teams will have difficulty defending them with everyone going small.

Are you related to OK4?? you have to be to have such blind loyalty to such a flawed player.

What has OK4 done in the 2 years he's been here to suggest that he's going to turn in a average defensive player? He hasn't even added a jump shot and has barely increased his FT% from college, and thats the offensive side of his game which is supposed to be a strength. So why do you think he's going to improve on his defense, which is his weakness

[Mrcrockpots]

Sooooooo back to Markelle.

I think the majority of us believe Embiid will be the alpha, Simmons will be the alpha lite, and Fultz will be content playing off the ball and as secondary ball handler. I also think the majority of us believe Embiid and Simmons have the higher ceilings. What are the chances that Fultz becomes a better player than Embiid or Simmons? If Fultz joins these 2 in terms of level of prospects (star potential), the ceiling of our team is just too crazy to even think about. This is no knock on Fultz, who I think has the ceiling of a regular AS player. I just view Embiid and Simmons as potential top 10 players some day.

Over/under % (chance to be better than)
Embiid- 9.5%
Simmons- 24.5%

Is that fair?

[Negrodamus]

You want to focus on the negatives from a team that wanted to lose to get 2 #1 picks. Okafor is healthier now and has coaches that have been drilling him on ways to make the team better. If Embiid misses games, Okafor is the best chance for wins. You can't deny comparing last years team to that lineup, you easily get 10 to 15 more wins.

No, literally the only things I want from my Embiid-less center in that lineup is the ability to defend the rim and to rebound. Okafor does neither. There's nothing to suggest he will be able to do both things next year besides blind optimism.

Okafor and Simmons are almost 7 ft, and Simmons is a great rebounder. He will do whatever it takes to win games. Okafor could score 30 pts a game and you would still consider him a bust.

It doesn't matter what he COULD do, it's what he will do. Nothing suggests he'll ever be a 30 ppg scorer. Even if he did, and that's a big stupid stretch to wrap my head around, he's still not defending. If a team took the chains off of JR Smith or Jamal Crawford in their prime, I'm sure they could score in the mid to high twenties. Unfortunately they'd do it in an inefficient way: high volume of shots, no emphasis on defense. That's losing basketball.

He's shown zero commitment to playing defense or even being a warm body on help defense. I'm a hard pass on him for anything other than a bench big.

[tk76]

So about that Markelle Fultz guy...

[Chris76]

why do you think OK4 is going to turn into this magical player who isn't a negative on the court? who gives a damn if he averages 40+ points a game if he's giving up 60??

What have you seen at of him that suggests he all of a sudden turns into a average defensive player?? there is nothing in his history that suggests that, and to assume that happened this off-season I think you're setting yourself up for this huge letdown.

One of the Sixers strengths is their bigs. Embiid, Simmons, Saric, and Okafor is a good group. Teams will have difficulty defending them with everyone going small.

Are you related to OK4?? you have to be to have such blind loyalty to such a flawed player.

What has OK4 done in the 2 years he's been here to suggest that he's going to turn in a average defensive player? He hasn't even added a jump shot and has barely increased his FT% from college, and thats the offensive side of his game which is supposed to be a strength. So why do you think he's going to improve on his defense, which is his weakness

Sorry to be difficult. I like Okafor's scoring, I see untapped potential. I'm tired of hearing about #s for whatever reason they are misleading. The Sixers were tanking and it hurt Okafor's and Noel's value.

Next year, the Sixers should win more games and I want to judge Okafor's performance going forward. Other teams are going to be in foul trouble defending us and that will be one of the Sixers' strengths.

[TTP]

One of the Sixers strengths is their bigs. Embiid, Simmons, Saric, and Okafor is a good group. Teams will have difficulty defending them with everyone going small.

Are you related to OK4?? you have to be to have such blind loyalty to such a flawed player.

What has OK4 done in the 2 years he's been here to suggest that he's going to turn in a average defensive player? He hasn't even added a jump shot and has barely increased his FT% from college, and thats the offensive side of his game which is supposed to be a strength. So why do you think he's going to improve on his defense, which is his weakness

I'm tired of hearing about #s for whatever reason they are misleading. T

You brought up numbers with the 30 points a game argument. I agree though that Okafor scoring 30 points would mislead someone into thinking he's a good player.

[OleSchool]

One of the Sixers strengths is their bigs. Embiid, Simmons, Saric, and Okafor is a good group. Teams will have difficulty defending them with everyone going small.

Are you related to OK4?? you have to be to have such blind loyalty to such a flawed player.

What has OK4 done in the 2 years he's been here to suggest that he's going to turn in a average defensive player? He hasn't even added a jump shot and has barely increased his FT% from college, and thats the offensive side of his game which is supposed to be a strength. So why do you think he's going to improve on his defense, which is his weakness

Sorry to be difficult. I like Okafor's scoring, I see untapped potential. I'm tired of hearing about #s for whatever reason they are misleading. The Sixers were tanking and it hurt Okafor's and Noel's value.

Next year, the Sixers should win more games and I want to judge Okafor's performance going forward. Other teams are going to be in foul trouble defending us and that will be one of the Sixers' strengths.

forget about #'s, just watch the other team when OK4 is in there, they have a layup line. He's useless on D absolutely useless.

[OleSchool]

Sooooooo back to Markelle.

I think the majority of us believe Embiid will be the alpha, Simmons will be the alpha lite, and Fultz will be content playing off the ball and as secondary ball handler. I also think the majority of us believe Embiid and Simmons have the higher ceilings. What are the chances that Fultz becomes a better player than Embiid or Simmons? If Fultz joins these 2 in terms of level of prospects (star potential), the ceiling of our team is just too crazy to even think about. This is no knock on Fultz, who I think has the ceiling of a regular AS player. I just view Embiid and Simmons as potential top 10 players some day.

Over/under % (chance to be better than)
Embiid- 9.5%
Simmons- 24.5%

Is that fair?

Fultz will NEVER BE better than Embiid. Emiid's floor is a HOF, his ceiling is generational. Very few players in the league today have Embiids ceiling/potential.