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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#181 » by BoardCrusher » Sat Aug 5, 2017 7:17 pm

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SportsGuy8 wrote:There's a difference between being a PF and playing "SOME PF in small-ball lineups".


I gave two examples of EuroLeague power forwards (Reyes and Printezis) that he would have zero chance of being able to guard in the post......

Reyes was never a small ball power forward, but he was an undersized power forward or small ball center. Printezis is actually himself a small ball power forward. In fact, he's the absolute 100% pure definition of a small ball power forward.

Doncic could in no way guard those guys, an undersized 4 (Reyes) and a small ball 4 (Printezis). I wasn't even mentioning actual real power forwards with size and skills.......how in the world would he have guarded someone like Lorbek for example?

BoardCrusher wrote:so what are you trying to say is, all these under 18 tournaments at which he dominated are more relevant, its good YOU made that clear for everyone, while trying to downplay him, carry on. The double standards and hate for Doncic are just incredible.


2012 U–13 Lido di Roma Tournament with Olimpija Ljubljana: MVP
2013 U–14 Ciutat de l’Hospitalet Tournament: MVP
2013 Minicopa ACB of Vitoria-Gasteiz: MVP
2013 U–16 Budapest International Tournament: MVP
2013 U–16 Villa de la Laguna Tournament: MVP
2013 U–16 EA7 Emporio Armani Tournament: MVP
2014 U–16 Spain Championship: MVP
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2015 Madrid Junior (U-18) Championship: MVP
2015 U–18 Spain Championship: MVP
2015 Euroleague Basketball Next Generation Tournament: MVP


What double standard? I said actual fact. Official Under-18 tournaments are much more meaningful than some random friendly games with a national team. Pretty much everyone knows that. Why is there even an argument here?

I don't understand some of the comments here sometimes.........I have rated Doncic probably as high as anyone here, but I often get called out as a Doncic hater for simply stating actual facts.

Anyway, I will continue to post based on fact, and not conjecture. If you consider that a "double standard", then so be it.



the double standard doesnt apply at your post, but rather at the comparisons made by US posters and their double standards towards euro prospects/players.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#182 » by Bob8 » Sun Aug 6, 2017 7:50 am

The discussion about Doncic is very strange. Americans would like see him playing U18 tournaments, which he played 2 years ago and dominating them with 16 years. The fact that there's almost nobody who's playing for national team being 18 years old and has leading role doesn't count. When in Euroleague he plays like Pg, it doesn't count either, because he won't play that in the Nba. We should see him playing as Pf.;) And then we have some posters, who knows many things about basketball in Europe, but downplay what he's doing by comparing him to Jaric and similar players. Yes, he can be compared to Jaric, but 18 years Doncic to 26 years old Jaric. And 18 years Doncic has much better shot. And if we really want to compare Doncic to the one of the best Pf in Europe, 18 years old Printezis would have big problems with 18 years Doncic. If we want to be fair to Doncic we must never forget how old he is. And when he will be 22 and stop improving, we will see if he's Jaric, Dragic or maybe even some very mediocre role player and some people here will be very happy.;)
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#183 » by The-Power » Sun Aug 6, 2017 9:14 am

Mirotic12 wrote:Anyway, I will continue to post based on fact, and not conjecture.

Claiming that he'll never be able to guard 4's in small-ball line-ups or guessing how many points a player would average against him in a hypothetical match-up is now considered posting based on facts?
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#184 » by reanimator » Sun Aug 6, 2017 4:05 pm

Bob8 wrote:The discussion about Doncic is very strange. Americans would like see him playing U18 tournaments, which he played 2 years ago and dominating them with 16 years.


Doncic played and dominated the U18 USA teams?
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Post#185 » by Bob8 » Sun Aug 6, 2017 5:51 pm

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Bob8 wrote:The discussion about Doncic is very strange. Americans would like see him playing U18 tournaments, which he played 2 years ago and dominating them with 16 years.


Doncic played and dominated the U18 USA teams?


He's playing against former NCAA and Euroleague stars in Euroleague every day. They won't never be Nba stars but they're all grownups and stronger and better than 17-18 years old prospects who are playing U18 games.
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Post#186 » by burek3 » Sun Aug 6, 2017 5:59 pm

Game vs. Czech NT will start in 15 minutes.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#187 » by reanimator » Sun Aug 6, 2017 6:16 pm

Bob8 wrote:
reanimator wrote:
Bob8 wrote:The discussion about Doncic is very strange. Americans would like see him playing U18 tournaments, which he played 2 years ago and dominating them with 16 years.


Doncic played and dominated the U18 USA teams?


He's playing against former NCAA and Euroleague stars in Euroleague every day. They won't never be Nba stars but they're all grownups and stronger and better than 17-18 years old prospects who are playing U18 games.


Not as quick, long, explosive as those 17-18 year olds though.

We know Doncic can play against physicality and size. I want to see him against speed and length.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#188 » by Mirotic12 » Sun Aug 6, 2017 7:02 pm

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reanimator wrote:
Doncic played and dominated the U18 USA teams?


He's playing against former NCAA and Euroleague stars in Euroleague every day. They won't never be Nba stars but they're all grownups and stronger and better than 17-18 years old prospects who are playing U18 games.


Not as quick, long, explosive as those 17-18 year olds though.

We know Doncic can play against physicality and size. I want to see him against speed and length.


Wait, wait...did you really just say that EuroLeague teams are less long and less explosive than 17-18 year old high school kids in USA?

Did you really say that?
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#189 » by burek3 » Sun Aug 6, 2017 7:15 pm

Not playing really his best today. Maybe adequate, but yeah... Shy performance in first half so far:
http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/KZS/629260/bs.html
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#190 » by reanimator » Sun Aug 6, 2017 7:27 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
reanimator wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
He's playing against former NCAA and Euroleague stars in Euroleague every day. They won't never be Nba stars but they're all grownups and stronger and better than 17-18 years old prospects who are playing U18 games.


Not as quick, long, explosive as those 17-18 year olds though.

We know Doncic can play against physicality and size. I want to see him against speed and length.


Wait, wait...did you really just say that EuroLeague teams are less long and less explosive than 17-18 year old high school kids in USA?

Did you really say that?


Yes, I did. Need me to repeat it?
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#191 » by Bob8 » Sun Aug 6, 2017 7:50 pm

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Bob8 wrote:
reanimator wrote:
Doncic played and dominated the U18 USA teams?


He's playing against former NCAA and Euroleague stars in Euroleague every day. They won't never be Nba stars but they're all grownups and stronger and better than 17-18 years old prospects who are playing U18 games.


Not as quick, long, explosive as those 17-18 year olds though.

We know Doncic can play against physicality and size. I want to see him against speed and length.


And that's why we will never come closer.
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Post#192 » by reanimator » Sun Aug 6, 2017 8:05 pm

Would love to see Doncic and the best U18 in Europe vs

Quentin Grimes
Cameron Reddish
Zion Williamson
Marvin Bagley
Bol Bol

or even

Coby White
Romeo Langford
Keldon Johnson
Nassir Little
Moses Brown

Doncic isn't facing that type of length and explosiveness in FIBA though the players are bigger and stronger.
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Post#193 » by burek3 » Sun Aug 6, 2017 8:27 pm

SLO NT won, Dončić first scorer @ 20.

Was not a pretty game really...
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#194 » by Bob8 » Sun Aug 6, 2017 8:28 pm

reanimator wrote:Would love to see Doncic and the best U18 in Europe vs

Quentin Grimes
Cameron Reddish
Zion Williamson
Marvin Bagley
Bol Bol

or even

Coby White
Romeo Langford
Keldon Johnson
Nassir Little
Moses Brown

Doncic isn't facing that type of length and explosiveness in FIBA though the players are bigger and stronger.


Like I said there is nothing to talk about. Tonight he was third time in a row the best scorer of his national team, playing with Dragic, but because he's not playing with school kids we can't evaluate how good he really is. I guess we should wait until he comes to Nba.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#195 » by nedleeds » Sun Aug 6, 2017 9:19 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
reanimator wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
He's playing against former NCAA and Euroleague stars in Euroleague every day. They won't never be Nba stars but they're all grownups and stronger and better than 17-18 years old prospects who are playing U18 games.


Not as quick, long, explosive as those 17-18 year olds though.

We know Doncic can play against physicality and size. I want to see him against speed and length.


Wait, wait...did you really just say that EuroLeague teams are less long and less explosive than 17-18 year old high school kids in USA?

Did you really say that?

He really meant black but uses coded language like long and explosive.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#196 » by reanimator » Sun Aug 6, 2017 9:31 pm

nedleeds wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
reanimator wrote:
Not as quick, long, explosive as those 17-18 year olds though.

We know Doncic can play against physicality and size. I want to see him against speed and length.


Wait, wait...did you really just say that EuroLeague teams are less long and less explosive than 17-18 year old high school kids in USA?

Did you really say that?

He really meant black but uses coded language like long and explosive.


Wait, Black folks don't play in Euroleague?

Black athletes that aren't explosive nor have length don't exist? I could field a team of 2018 recruits that fit the bill rather easily.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#197 » by reanimator » Sun Aug 6, 2017 9:32 pm

Bob8 wrote:
reanimator wrote:Would love to see Doncic and the best U18 in Europe vs

Quentin Grimes
Cameron Reddish
Zion Williamson
Marvin Bagley
Bol Bol

or even

Coby White
Romeo Langford
Keldon Johnson
Nassir Little
Moses Brown

Doncic isn't facing that type of length and explosiveness in FIBA though the players are bigger and stronger.


Like I said there is nothing to talk about. Tonight he was third time in a row the best scorer of his national team, playing with Dragic, but because he's not playing with school kids we can't evaluate how good he really is. I guess we should wait until he comes to Nba.


We can take certain things from Doncic play in Europe but there are still unanswered questions. Not sure why its controversial to say and sadly we will probably have to wait til he gets to the NBA to find out.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#198 » by Bob8 » Sun Aug 6, 2017 9:55 pm

reanimator wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
reanimator wrote:Would love to see Doncic and the best U18 in Europe vs

Quentin Grimes
Cameron Reddish
Zion Williamson
Marvin Bagley
Bol Bol

or even

Coby White
Romeo Langford
Keldon Johnson
Nassir Little
Moses Brown

Doncic isn't facing that type of length and explosiveness in FIBA though the players are bigger and stronger.


Like I said there is nothing to talk about. Tonight he was third time in a row the best scorer of his national team, playing with Dragic, but because he's not playing with school kids we can't evaluate how good he really is. I guess we should wait until he comes to Nba.


We can take certain things from Doncic play in Europe but there are still unanswered questions. Not sure why its controversial to say and sadly we will probably have to wait til he gets to the NBA to find out.


Because we have unanswered questions about every prospect, american or euro, but somehow we don't make all this questions especially about american players. If nothing else Doncic is the only one who proved that can play professional basketball and on very high level too, many of your american prospects will never be able to do that. And maybe is true that some prospects are more athletic, but I don't see any prospect born in 99 to be more skilled and with better feel of the game than Doncic. And please don't tell me that every Nba player is athletic freek like Lebron.
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#199 » by reanimator » Sun Aug 6, 2017 10:04 pm

Bob8 wrote:
reanimator wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Like I said there is nothing to talk about. Tonight he was third time in a row the best scorer of his national team, playing with Dragic, but because he's not playing with school kids we can't evaluate how good he really is. I guess we should wait until he comes to Nba.


We can take certain things from Doncic play in Europe but there are still unanswered questions. Not sure why its controversial to say and sadly we will probably have to wait til he gets to the NBA to find out.


Because we have unanswered questions about every prospect, american or euro, but somehow we don't make all this questions especially about american players.


we don't?
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Re: Is Luka Dončić 2018 NBA draft 1st pick? 

Post#200 » by Bob8 » Sun Aug 6, 2017 10:16 pm

reanimator wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
reanimator wrote:
We can take certain things from Doncic play in Europe but there are still unanswered questions. Not sure why its controversial to say and sadly we will probably have to wait til he gets to the NBA to find out.


Because we have unanswered questions about every prospect, american or euro, but somehow we don't make all this questions especially about american players.


we don't?


No. It's enough if someone dominate school kids, who will play basketball only in high school, to be named as a great prospect. 95% of this prospects are a joke if you look at them skill wise and have no basketball IQ, but that's seems to be no problem. And like that they're playing each week against each other, :wink: normally they play against average american school kids, who don't even think about playing professional basketball. Playing professional basketball in Europe is 10 times more demanding than playing high school or U18 competition and that's why there's only Doncic who plays in Euroleague at his age. The second youngest was Zizic, who is 2 years older and will play for Celtics this year. But I know I can't change your mind, so ...

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