Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving?

[NavLDO]

This ain't gonna happen and I'm totally cool with it.

Trust the timeline.

Keep all of our youth and get two top 10 picks in this upcoming (and likely loaded) daft.

Only move I want to make is maybe moving Bledsoe for a youngster.

That heat pick is going to be outside the top 15...

And the tanking out East will be ridiculous next season. Good thing when a tanker goes against a tanker out east, one of them add wins and they meet each other over 40 times a season. Suns are going to be against west teams for over 40 games.

Why do you say that? They missed the playoffs last season, and haven't gotten any better. I like our chances better with Irving, possibly even without.

I think most don't realize that all it takes is Warren to stay healthy and play like he did out of the gates last season (doable), minor improvements from Chriss, Ulis, and Sauce (expected), moderate improvements from Bender (expected), a decent NBA entrance from Jackson (expected), and non-regressions from Bledsoe, Chandler, Dudley, Jones Jr.

If those things happen with no long-term injuries to key pieces, I think we are back to late-lotto, at worst.

[AtheJ415]

This ain't gonna happen and I'm totally cool with it.

Trust the timeline.

Keep all of our youth and get two top 10 picks in this upcoming (and likely loaded) daft.

Only move I want to make is maybe moving Bledsoe for a youngster.

That heat pick is going to be outside the top 15...

And the tanking out East will be ridiculous next season. Good thing when a tanker goes against a tanker out east, one of them add wins and they meet each other over 40 times a season. Suns are going to be against west teams for over 40 games.

Why do you say that? They missed the playoffs last season, and haven't gotten any better. I like our chances better with Irving, possibly even without.

I think most don't realize that all it takes is Warren to stay healthy and play like he did out of the gates last season (doable), minor improvements from Chriss, Ulis, and Sauce (expected), moderate improvements from Bender (expected), a decent NBA entrance from Jackson (expected), and non-regressions from Bledsoe, Chandler, Dudley, Jones Jr.

If those things happen with no long-term injuries to key pieces, I think we are back to late-lotto, as worst.

Vegas knows what it is doing. We are projected to be the 5th worst team with Bled. I don't think there is any way we end up in playoff contention. Other teams will improve too.

[thamadkant]

This ain't gonna happen and I'm totally cool with it.

Trust the timeline.

Keep all of our youth and get two top 10 picks in this upcoming (and likely loaded) daft.

Only move I want to make is maybe moving Bledsoe for a youngster.

That heat pick is going to be outside the top 15...

And the tanking out East will be ridiculous next season. Good thing when a tanker goes against a tanker out east, one of them add wins and they meet each other over 40 times a season. Suns are going to be against west teams for over 40 games.

Why do you say that? They missed the playoffs last season, and haven't gotten any better. I like our chances better with Irving, possibly even without.

I think most don't realize that all it takes is Warren to stay healthy and play like he did out of the gates last season (doable), minor improvements from Chriss, Ulis, and Sauce (expected), moderate improvements from Bender (expected), a decent NBA entrance from Jackson (expected), and non-regressions from Bledsoe, Chandler, Dudley, Jones Jr.

If those things happen with no long-term injuries to key pieces, I think we are back to late-lotto, as worst.

Heat has one of the best records in 2017 last season. They have a stable system and roster due to the lack of changes... East got weaker too.

That's why I said that. Its pretty reasonable to assume they will make playoffs.

[Fo-Real]

We should resign and continue his jedi training!! We have the money just sign him goddamnit

[JMac1]

He honestly doesn't have soft touch or a decent mid-range game, and his terrible hands make him an inconsistent roll man. He shoots like 30% on jump shots for his career, and he'll never be a good shooter until he stops fading back every time he shoots. I'm fine keeping him since the market appears to be pretty dead for him and he'll likely be cheap, but I think he's destined to be a career back-up if all he brings is rebounding and interior defense in the current NBA.

A career back up to who? All stars?! There are many centers that take up space and start in his league. The things most people here want Len to do, isn't done by most centers in the league. What's his per 36 min stats?

[Fo-Real]

Len has had flashes of being useful, which is better than some, sign him

[Puff]

People calling Bender a bust or implying just because we gave Len a chance, we shouldn't give Bender a chance at 19........wow.

Man oh man you guys make a mountain out of mole hill.

I said I have high hopes for him. I repeat I said I have high hopes for him. I repeat I said I have high hopes for him. I have supported him more than most people since we drafted him. However I am a realist and do not put my head in the sand just because I like him and he wears a Phoenix Sun jersey.

His numbers were abysmal by all standards and he was injured for most of his first year in the league, or at least part of it. He also is Euro big man whom have not exactly taken the NBA by storm as of late.

If I am a Cleveland fan I have not been reading all the hype the Suns organization has heaped on this guy. I also am not part of a fan base that has not been to the playoffs in almost of decade. In addition I am a fan of a team that wants to win a title next year. If I am one of them, Bender does not move the needle for me at all. Cavs fans could care less about their long term future. They know their best chance to win another ring is while Lebron is still part of their team.

I also am tired of the worn out reason for supporting guys like Alex Len. This guy cannot even get a contract above the Qualifying offer. Not many quality bigs wait 5 years to become relevant.

Name one starting big man that has waited 5 years to develop into a relevant NBA Player. Please do not use Robin Freaking Lopez as your example. He is adequate at best.

If I am a Cleveland Cavalier fan I would not want Bender as part of a trade for one of my star players in Kyrie Irving. I want something more.

I think Gambo has it right when he says we have 0% chance of getting Kyrie in a Bledsoe - Bender - Miami Pick scenario.

How do you think Bender fits into the Cleveland rotation next year in their attempt to unseat the Warriors?

That is fine with me. Hopefully Bender is not our next Alex Len.

Gambo thinks there is no chance we get Irving unless Booker, Jackson, or our first round pick is included. And maybe the last two combined.

I agree that Bender makes zero sense for Cleveland. Looking at raw stats like you are does not paint a pretty picture. Watching him and looking at on/off #s shows some good things. Comparing him to Len is pointless. They are completely different, and while I think we should hold onto Len, that was one of the worst drafts ever consensus wise (though some good bigs picked later have impressed).

I agree though, that if I was Cleveland I wouldn't make the trade for Bender, Chriss, Warren or whoever we throw in there because those players are pointless for them...they are not pointless for us.

We don't know what type of negotiations Len is in. Noel hasn't gotten an offer either....it's likely in a holding pattern until he accepts. No one will rush into anything. Few restricted free agents get offers from other teams unless they are max offers. No one needs centers.

Thank you

It takes two to tango and while giving up Bender might not be good for our future, he means nothing to the CAV's. Unless multiple injuries he has virtually no chance of being in their rotation. In addition the Miami pick probably will be out of the lottery. Thus it probably will not having much impact even next year.

I expect they are interested in the future but more concerned about the present state of affairs.

It makes sense that they would want either Booker and or Jackson. Both of those guys would add to their rotation. Unfortunately we do not have much to offer other than Jackson or Booker. This is why, if we are serious about wanting Kyrie, we should at least try Warren. He could help them but that is not a sure thing and he has a contract due for renewal next summer. Nothing has shown that the CAV's would even want him or that we would be willing to trade him.

The only other players that potentially could help them are Dudley and Chandler. That is not a given either.

Potentially our biggest asset is that of salary cap relief, in that the are in luxury tax territory and we are under the cap. However I do not know if than is an issued with their owner.

In the end there GM, Lebron, will be deciding on who his point guard will be next year. Kyrie, Rose or Bledsoe.

[Puff]

People calling Bender a bust or implying just because we gave Len a chance, we shouldn't give Bender a chance at 19........wow.

Man oh man you guys make a mountain out of mole hill.

I said I have high hopes for him. I repeat I said I have high hopes for him. I repeat I said I have high hopes for him. I have supported him more than most people since we drafted him. However I am a realist and do not put my head in the sand just because I like him and he wears a Phoenix Sun jersey.

His numbers were abysmal by all standards and he was injured for most of his first year in the league, or at least part of it. He also is Euro big man whom have not exactly taken the NBA by storm as of late.

.

Dude...stop while you're behind...

Gobert
Jokic
Porzingis
Valanciunas
Giannis Antetokounmpo (ok, so he's SF/PF hybrid...so is Bender)
Nurkic

Need I go on...

I would only consider three of those guys, Gobert, Jokic and Porzingis. It appears they are going to have very good or great careers.

However:
1. They did not take 5 years to develop
2. Injuries could be a concern going forward - but I would take my chances with all three of the.

They have been far more productive than most of the big men that have entered the league for quite a while. Most seem to come in with great potential and measureables but struggle against NBA competition.

Please, you are not suggesting Bender = Giannis?

I hope you are right, but I don't see it.

[NavLDO]

That heat pick is going to be outside the top 15...

And the tanking out East will be ridiculous next season. Good thing when a tanker goes against a tanker out east, one of them add wins and they meet each other over 40 times a season. Suns are going to be against west teams for over 40 games.

Why do you say that? They missed the playoffs last season, and haven't gotten any better. I like our chances better with Irving, possibly even without.

I think most don't realize that all it takes is Warren to stay healthy and play like he did out of the gates last season (doable), minor improvements from Chriss, Ulis, and Sauce (expected), moderate improvements from Bender (expected), a decent NBA entrance from Jackson (expected), and non-regressions from Bledsoe, Chandler, Dudley, Jones Jr.

If those things happen with no long-term injuries to key pieces, I think we are back to late-lotto, as worst.

Vegas knows what it is doing. We are projected to be the 5th worst team with Bled. I don't think there is any way we end up in playoff contention. Other teams will improve too.

You keep saying this, but after looking up their record, they missed by 5 wins in their over/under for 11 teams last year; 7.5 wins or more for 5 teams.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/story.cfm/story/1844177

They obviously blew it in 2013 with us after acquiring Bledsoe, and having a complete roster turnover that season. Point? They aren't perfect, and not even close...they are just 'close' on about 65% of the teams. They have us right now at 25.5; what happens if we trade for Kyrie? I'm betting that goes up to at least 30. Then, as mentioned, what if Warren 'sustains' his start from last year throughout our whole season this year, and Jackson comes out the gate firing on all pistons, and Bender shows moderate-to-vast improvement? That could easily be an 8-10 win swing. And what if McD consummates a trade at the deadline and we pick up another key piece for our final 30 games that gives us 4-5 more wins. Now we are a 7th seed. That's all I am saying, and none of what I said is even close to unfathomable.

[bwgood77]

That heat pick is going to be outside the top 15...

And the tanking out East will be ridiculous next season. Good thing when a tanker goes against a tanker out east, one of them add wins and they meet each other over 40 times a season. Suns are going to be against west teams for over 40 games.

Why do you say that? They missed the playoffs last season, and haven't gotten any better. I like our chances better with Irving, possibly even without.

I think most don't realize that all it takes is Warren to stay healthy and play like he did out of the gates last season (doable), minor improvements from Chriss, Ulis, and Sauce (expected), moderate improvements from Bender (expected), a decent NBA entrance from Jackson (expected), and non-regressions from Bledsoe, Chandler, Dudley, Jones Jr.

If those things happen with no long-term injuries to key pieces, I think we are back to late-lotto, as worst.

Heat has one of the best records in 2017 last season. They have a stable system and roster due to the lack of changes... East got weaker too.

That's why I said that. Its pretty reasonable to assume they will make playoffs.

Yeah, Heat, after getting healthy, finished the season 30-11. So a 60 game win pace in second half. Not something they likely keep up but they are in the hunt for a 3-7 seed probably. We are bottom 3 in west most likely.

[darealjuice]

He honestly doesn't have soft touch or a decent mid-range game, and his terrible hands make him an inconsistent roll man. He shoots like 30% on jump shots for his career, and he'll never be a good shooter until he stops fading back every time he shoots. I'm fine keeping him since the market appears to be pretty dead for him and he'll likely be cheap, but I think he's destined to be a career back-up if all he brings is rebounding and interior defense in the current NBA.

A career back up to who? All stars?! There are many centers that take up space and start in his league. The things most people here want Len to do, isn't done by most centers in the league. What's his per 36 min stats?

Well he's backing up 34 year old Tyson Chandler right now, and I don't think I consider him anywhere near an all star at this point in his career. He'd just be another one of those centers taking up space for a crappy team if he got a starting job, he's probably not starting for a team in the playoffs, especially at this point in his career.

[NTB]

Read on Twitter

[Sunzgunz]

At this point, I'd rather be facilitator than recepient. Uber with one h3ll of a tip!

This is that moment when anticipation fatague outweighs the adrenaline of possibility.

(After hours of indulging in big post party plans with little to no action being followed)

"You know what, I think im just gonna go home now, I was waiting for Eric to find out if he needed me to drop him off in Cleveland or not, but im tired of waiting and I got too much chit to do. If u got gas money, ill take you down there, h3ll we'll just car pool it to get there faster, but I dont plan on sticking around."

Silly analogy, but when you couple the Cav's intoxicating cost of acquisition and maintenance, with their rumored courtship of one Eric Bledsoe, a manajatwa may be our greatest climax! ...until then, we should pull out! Nothing wrong with being a bride's maid until we find a more attractive and compatible partner



***Please note, any and all references in this post are the intellectual property of the original source. Any attempt to copy, or redistribute this post without noting and/or acknowledging it's original source, under statue: IV; 2.6.2, chapter 7E 4.1.6, section 32A-12B 8.1, which states it is an unlawful act of plagiarism punishable by monetary fines and imprisonment. ( Inside joke/sarcasm...all in good fun )

[JMac1]

He honestly doesn't have soft touch or a decent mid-range game, and his terrible hands make him an inconsistent roll man. He shoots like 30% on jump shots for his career, and he'll never be a good shooter until he stops fading back every time he shoots. I'm fine keeping him since the market appears to be pretty dead for him and he'll likely be cheap, but I think he's destined to be a career back-up if all he brings is rebounding and interior defense in the current NBA.

A career back up to who? All stars?! There are many centers that take up space and start in his league. The things most people here want Len to do, isn't done by most centers in the league. What's his per 36 min stats?

Well he's backing up 34 year old Tyson Chandler right now, and I don't think I consider him anywhere near an all star at this point in his career. He'd just be another one of those centers taking up space for a crappy team if he got a starting job, he's probably not starting for a team in the playoffs, especially at this point in his career.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, Chandler is still a quality center and if you think he couldn't start for any of the playoff teams in this league, I'd have to think your opinion was a little emotionally driven and I'll excuse it.

[Jdiddy701]

Read on Twitter

Tyler Ulis, Devin Booker, and Alan Williams are in LA right now. I like this..a lot. I hope Jackson is there too.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[darealjuice]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, Chandler is still a quality center and if you think he couldn't start for any of the playoff teams in this league, I'd have to think your opinion was a little emotionally driven and I'll excuse it.

Tyson probably could start on a few playoff teams, but I don't think Len would for any

[Kerrsed]

Somethings happening!!!

Watch on YouTube

[8on]

Somethings happening!!!

Watch on YouTube

[jredsaz]

Somethings happening!!!

Watch on YouTube

Man I got excited. Lol

[Dambo]

79 pages of nothing