Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[mplsfonz23]

I can't believe he hasn't been moved yet.

Based on the rumored offers, I'm no longer certain he'll be moved before the season starts.

It would be so toxic for the locker room if Kyrie stays on the squad. Unless he comes out and says he doesn't want to be traded.

Still I would demand a big haul if I'm the Cavs. They will get better offers after December 15th and trade deadline.

I was going to and 1 this before I saw this. He won't say that now. his fate lies with the Cavs now. LBJ will not allow mutiny, and I am sure when he asks about the trade demand he will allow Irving to say, "I was just kidding."
He's out. Period. IMO.

[John Murdoch]

CLE Get: E.Payton + A.Gordon + J.Randle + J.Clarkson + T.Ross+ ORL 2020 1st (Top 5 pro) + LA 2022 1st (Top 10 pro)

ORL Get: K.Irving + R.Jefferson

LAL Get: C.Frye

[Seabass11]

Who are people thinking DET would throw back to us? Can they include Bradley in a deal?

I'd take Bradley and Drummond or RJ

[Birdie]

Who are people thinking DET would throw back to us? Can they include Bradley in a deal?

I'd take Bradley and Drummond or RJ

I would assume CLE would def. be interested in Bradley but he can't be traded until 9/7 I believe, so, if he's a target, it's gonna be a minute until the deal gets done. I think it's one of the considerations on CLE's part as why a deal hasn't been done yet and rightfully so. And I'm sure CLE is looking to dump Shump as well on the Kyrie deal, I'm sure that makes it more complicated as well. And it's rumored that CLE might be attaching Cedi into deals and he can't be traded until 8/16.

So, I think at the very least, we might not see Kyrie get moved until mid to late Sept unless PHO ponies up Bledsoe/Jackson/a better 1st in the meantime would be my best guess...

[BasketballFan7]

Who are people thinking DET would throw back to us? Can they include Bradley in a deal?

I'd take Bradley and Drummond or RJ

That's going to be tough on the wallet in a year, when Bradley's contract expires.

[JHFVF07]

CLE Get: E.Payton + A.Gordon + J.Randle + J.Clarkson + T.Ross+ ORL 2020 1st (Top 5 pro) + LA 2022 1st (Top 10 pro)

ORL Get: K.Irving + R.Jefferson

LAL Get: C.Frye

I dont think Lakers wanna get rid of Clarkson so hard that they will include a 1st and Randle, to get Frye.
And our players on this deal doesnt add much value for Cleveland(bad fit).

[John Murdoch]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb48czll

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7j3pskp

[axeman23]

CLE Get: E.Payton + A.Gordon + J.Randle + J.Clarkson + T.Ross+ ORL 2020 1st (Top 5 pro) + LA 2022 1st (Top 10 pro)

ORL Get: K.Irving + R.Jefferson

LAL Get: C.Frye

I dont think Lakers wanna get rid of Clarkson so hard that they will include a 1st and Randle, to get Frye.
And our players on this deal doesnt add much value for Cleveland(bad fit).

As a Cavs fan, I was wondering about that. From a Cavs point of view I was a bit "meh" on the deal. But I thought almost straight away Lakers (in my mind, at least) get hosed. Then when it was a Lakers fan suggesting it, I got doubly confused!

[axeman23]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb48czll

Apparently Wolves have taken Wiggins off the trading table, and from seeing others opinion about him, and his impending (desired) max, I don't think either side goes for it...

[jbk1234]

Who are people thinking DET would throw back to us? Can they include Bradley in a deal?

I'd take Bradley and Drummond or RJ

IMO there's no point in talking to the Pistons if they won't trade Bradley. Bradley, Johnson & pick compensation is actually my preference. Given the fact that S. Johnson got sent to the D League last year, and the Pistons obtained Bradley for Marcus friggin Morris, they should be willing to move those pieces without much fuss. The hickup would be finding a third team to take R. Jackson (Knicks)?

[MotownMadness]

Who are people thinking DET would throw back to us? Can they include Bradley in a deal?

I'd take Bradley and Drummond or RJ

IMO there's no point in talking to the Pistons if they won't trade Bradley. Bradley, Johnson & pick compensation is actually my preference. Given the fact that S. Johnson got sent to the D League last year, and the Pistons obtained Bradley for Marcus friggin Morris, they should be willing to move those pieces without much fuss. The hickup would be finding a third team to take R. Jackson (Knicks)?

My only thing is I feel like we can overpay Bradley to stay but Kyrie will be a #1 target for every team as a UFA.

[jbk1234]

Who are people thinking DET would throw back to us? Can they include Bradley in a deal?

I'd take Bradley and Drummond or RJ

IMO there's no point in talking to the Pistons if they won't trade Bradley. Bradley, Johnson & pick compensation is actually my preference. Given the fact that S. Johnson got sent to the D League last year, and the Pistons obtained Bradley for Marcus friggin Morris, they should be willing to move those pieces without much fuss. The hickup would be finding a third team to take R. Jackson (Knicks)?

My only thing is I feel like we can overpay Bradley to stay but Kyrie will be a #1 target for every team as a UFA.

Perhaps. But would you even want to? You'd be cementing in a treadmill roster & getting awfully close to the luxury tax. You've got $106 million in salary on the books next summer without Bradley's contract.

[MotownMadness]

IMO there's no point in talking to the Pistons if they won't trade Bradley. Bradley, Johnson & pick compensation is actually my preference. Given the fact that S. Johnson got sent to the D League last year, and the Pistons obtained Bradley for Marcus friggin Morris, they should be willing to move those pieces without much fuss. The hickup would be finding a third team to take R. Jackson (Knicks)?

My only thing is I feel like we can overpay Bradley to stay but Kyrie will be a #1 target for every team as a UFA.

Perhaps. But would you even want to? You'd be cementing in a treadmill roster & getting awfully close to the luxury tax. You've got $106 million in salary on the books next summer without Bradley's contract.

The FO is hell bent on the playoffs and we can't get FAs. So yeah he's only 26 and plays the right way so screw it.

[Dante80]

My take on this.

There is an objective difference between the value someone has as a basketball player, and the value he represents as an (trade) asset to the team he is contracted with.

The second Kyrie leaked/made known that he wants to be traded/no longer wants to play for the Cavs, his objective market value plummeted. It also forced the new Cavs FO to start searching for trade avenues, at a time in the off-season when major FA and trade transactions/moves were already concluded.

Keeping the guy on the team won't do them much good. The more he stays, the more his trade value drops. Moreover, keeping a player on your team that does not want to be there any more has consequences, both for him and for the team as a whole. Especially if you add in the whole Lebron James aspect.

As is natural, Cleveland - being put in a bad situation - wants to extract the best it can out of this. At the same time, teams that view Kyrie as a possible/notable/worthy addition, will want to extract Kyrie for the lowest price possible. That is the norm for any and every trade negotiation in the NBA.

As expected, the trade value that Kyrie has right now is objectively much, much less than his value as a player, due to the circumstances at hand. So, I don't really think that the Cavs can reach a good deal here, given the specifics. And I don't think that the circumstances will change for the better if they decide to wait. There are a lot of unknown unknowns in that situation (injury, team chemistry, trade value sabotage by the disgruntled player, market changes etc etc).

Knowing the above, I think that the only realistic option the Cavs FO has is to try and negotiate the best available deal they can get, before the season (or even training camp) starts. And to not try to keep the player against his wishes, under no circumstances (it is impossible to get more than cents on the dollar from trading him).

[Dry_Fish]

Based on the rumored offers, I'm no longer certain he'll be moved before the season starts.

It would be so toxic for the locker room if Kyrie stays on the squad. Unless he comes out and says he doesn't want to be traded.

Still I would demand a big haul if I'm the Cavs. They will get better offers after December 15th and trade deadline.

I was going to and 1 this before I saw this. He won't say that now. his fate lies with the Cavs now. LBJ will not allow mutiny, and I am sure when he asks about the trade demand he will allow Irving to say, "I was just kidding."
He's out. Period. IMO.

What is lebron going to do really? He can't do anything to Kyrie beside talk to him...maybe give a mean stare.

[jbk1234]

My take on this.

There is an objective difference between the value someone has as a basketball player, and the value he represents as an (trade) asset to the team he is contracted with.

The second Kyrie leaked/made known that he wants to be traded/no longer wants to play for the Cavs, his objective market value plummeted. It also forced the new Cavs FO to start searching for trade avenues, at a time in the off-season when major FA and trade transactions/moves were already concluded.

Keeping the guy on the team won't do them much good. The more he stays, the more his trade value drops. Moreover, keeping a player on your team that does not want to be there any more has consequences, both for him and for the team as a whole. Especially if you add in the whole Lebron James aspect.

As is natural, Cleveland - being put in a bad situation - wants to extract the best it can out of this. At the same time, teams that view Kyrie as a possible/notable/worthy addition, will want to extract Kyrie for the lowest price possible. That is the norm for any and every trade negotiation in the NBA.

As expected, the trade value that Kyrie has right now is objectively much, much less than his value as a player, due to the circumstances at hand. So, I don't really think that the Cavs can reach a good deal here, given the specifics. And I don't think that the circumstances will change for the better if they decide to wait. There are a lot of unknown unknowns in that situation (injury, team chemistry, trade value sabotage by the disgruntled player, market changes etc etc).

Knowing the above, I think that the only realistic option the Cavs FO has is to try and negotiate the best available deal they can get, before the season (or even training camp) starts. And to not try to keep the player against his wishes, under no circumstances (it is impossible to get more than cents on the dollar from trading him).

The Cavs will get a good offer for Kyrie or they'll trade him for the best pick they can get ahead of next year's draft after the season. These guys are grown men and they're under contract.

I also disagree that there's no way offers will improve as the season goes on. Right now everybody is optimistic about their rosters/teams. Teams always project improvement on to young players. *This is the year player X is going to make a big jump.* Spoiler: Not all of those guys are going to make a big jump. All these *untouchable* rookies will begin to look rather mortal once they start playing in the NBA. Players get injured and it impacts what direction teams go in. But most importantly, there are teams that really want Kyrie & once they realize he won't be traded at a discount, at least one of those teams will offer fair value.

[mademan]

It would be so toxic for the locker room if Kyrie stays on the squad. Unless he comes out and says he doesn't want to be traded.

Still I would demand a big haul if I'm the Cavs. They will get better offers after December 15th and trade deadline.

I was going to and 1 this before I saw this. He won't say that now. his fate lies with the Cavs now. LBJ will not allow mutiny, and I am sure when he asks about the trade demand he will allow Irving to say, "I was just kidding."
He's out. Period. IMO.

What is lebron going to do really? He can't do anything to Kyrie beside talk to him...maybe give a mean stare.

He's not gonna do anything. It's still in kyries beat interest to play the good soldier.

[mplsfonz23]

I was going to and 1 this before I saw this. He won't say that now. his fate lies with the Cavs now. LBJ will not allow mutiny, and I am sure when he asks about the trade demand he will allow Irving to say, "I was just kidding."
He's out. Period. IMO.

What is lebron going to do really? He can't do anything to Kyrie beside talk to him...maybe give a mean stare.

He's not gonna do anything. It's still in kyries beat interest to play the good soldier.

Yup pretty much.
LBJ will be having private talks with the FO on how best to move KI and for whom. There is not enough water that can run under that bridge, IMHO.
Usually when a star wants out he gets out. I just wonder how other stars are viewing Lebron now. Funny how he's having trouble trying to get people on his team now. Derrick Rose, Jose Calderon...What a joke.

[jbk1234]

What is lebron going to do really? He can't do anything to Kyrie beside talk to him...maybe give a mean stare.

He's not gonna do anything. It's still in kyries beat interest to play the good soldier.

Yup pretty much.
LBJ will be having private talks with the FO on how best to move KI and for whom. There is not enough water that can run under that bridge, IMHO.
Usually when a star wants out he gets out. I just wonder how other stars are viewing Lebron now. Funny how he's having trouble trying to get people on his team now. Derrick Rose, Jose Calderon...What a joke.

Yeah why aren't the other stars who are still under contract joining the Cavs on a league minimum contract?

[jbk1234]

Cavs just released a brand new promo. Kyrie's still in it.

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