Kyrie asked to be traded (UPDATED)

[Trailbreaker]

Chello1,
Didn't y'all get quite a return for Kevin Love, though?

[JMac1]

Read on Twitter

Liar!

[Stillwater]

In retrospect I think JBK1234 is right .
If the Cavs were interested in a deal for Jackson and the only reason the Suns pulled it, was because they could not get KI to agree to an early extension, then they are not worthy enough to be considered a true option for Cleveland to deal with. Like others have noted and was the common expectation it was highly unlikely he would (or any all star player would for that matter) agree to an early extension. But my complaint initially was The timing of it being released the day Jackson was available for trade.
Now in retrospect I see how close they were to a deal (maybe) and so it did have an impact, but it was a given, and the Suns org are just looking for a bargain.
It is most likely because the Suns asked KI's camp if he would agree to an early extension, and if he had interest in joining them ; so Irving's response was something like this: wtf ? of course I might like to join you but hell no I will not sign a commitment to lose $. what do you think that I am stupid, you want me to commit to your rebuilding team and stand to lose a lot of money that could be had when I opt out in 2019? .
So the Suns tucked tail and ran because they were never that serious of a bidder in the first place even if they were going to offer Jackson. Then supposedly they crawled back out of their hole and threw a low ball offer without Jackson since they want KI for nothing & they've come back with lame offers including less in return than what the Cav's ever would consider.This is on the Suns for leaving there cojones at home, not on KI for stating the obvious and it becoming public knowledge.But it still pisses me off, because of the way it has been portrayed by the media, as if the Cav's won't get anything for KI. The fact is a lot of these orgs have no idea what it will take to get KI,so they are stabbing in the dark

[jbk1234]

Of course it hurts his trade value! I know you hope it doesn't because you are a Cavs fan but by saying it doesn't hurt his trade value hurts your credibility on any basketball conversations. I am sure I will get banned because I disagree with you but I am trying to have a realistic conversation. Poll any G.M. in basketball and everyone of them would tell you that it really hurts his trade value. Why do you think that the trade offers you are getting are junk? Kyrie is one of the best players in basketball and all he can get so far is that junk offer from the Suns? What will happen next is the fan base will try and talk themselves into the Suns deal as being o.k. I am a Minnesota sports fan and have seen it my whole life. The 7th pick and a scrub linebacker for Randy Moss.... Does that one ring a bell for anyone on here....

Name a max player who had 2-3 years left on his current contract and signed an extension. I'll wait.

It's nonsense that was put out by teams trying to acquire Irving in attempt to negotiate through the media (it isn't going to work). I'm pretty sure players aren't even eligible to sign extensions with that many years left on their current deal. An oral commitment wouldn't be enforceable anyway. The only purpose it serves is as an attempt to lower Kyrie's trade value.

[jbk1234]

Read on Twitter

[Chello1]

Of course it hurts his trade value! I know you hope it doesn't because you are a Cavs fan but by saying it doesn't hurt his trade value hurts your credibility on any basketball conversations. I am sure I will get banned because I disagree with you but I am trying to have a realistic conversation. Poll any G.M. in basketball and everyone of them would tell you that it really hurts his trade value. Why do you think that the trade offers you are getting are junk? Kyrie is one of the best players in basketball and all he can get so far is that junk offer from the Suns? What will happen next is the fan base will try and talk themselves into the Suns deal as being o.k. I am a Minnesota sports fan and have seen it my whole life. The 7th pick and a scrub linebacker for Randy Moss.... Does that one ring a bell for anyone on here....

Name a max player who had 2-3 years left on his current contract and signed an extension. I'll wait.

It's nonsense that was put out by teams trying to acquire Irving in attempt to negotiate through the media (it isn't going to work). I'm pretty sure players aren't even eligible to sign extensions with that many years left on their current deal. An oral commitment wouldn't be enforceable anyway. The only purpose it serves is as an attempt to lower Kyrie's trade value.

I don't think his trade value is diminished to a team that wants to win now! My point is that limits the amount of teams that will offer him. Sacramento for instance is not going to offer up a bunch of good young players and draft picks for him because he is going to leave in two years. That trade doesn't make sense for teams like that. So who realistically thinks they can beat or make a run at the Warriors? Those teams are the ones who will look to trade for him. Name those teams and start looking at what they can offer and still think they can beat the Warriors in the next two years.... It makes it tough... The Timberwolves for instance can't offer up Wiggins for Kyrie if they think they are going to make a run at the Warriors. If they did that trade without getting a wing player back who can play a little the trade does not advance their team in trying to win a championship. Again, I am a huge Kyrie fan and wish we could get him somehow.... I just don't see it happening with the way the two teams are constructed and both wanting to win now.

So what I am saying is this: It is hard to make a trade because in theory both teams involved would be thinking they want to win a championship in the next couple of years. So if I am trading with that thought in mind how do I accomplish that? You guys want to win now as well, we both want to win now. If we just exchange win now pieces we are not really advancing our teams much unless I have a bunch of extra wings and need a point. Who fits that mold that is trying to win now?

[Chello1]

Chello1,
Didn't y'all get quite a return for Kevin Love, though?

That trade happened because Kevin Love agreed to sign the extension with you guys after the trade. If he doesn't agree to the extension it never would have happened.

[jbk1234]

Of course it hurts his trade value! I know you hope it doesn't because you are a Cavs fan but by saying it doesn't hurt his trade value hurts your credibility on any basketball conversations. I am sure I will get banned because I disagree with you but I am trying to have a realistic conversation. Poll any G.M. in basketball and everyone of them would tell you that it really hurts his trade value. Why do you think that the trade offers you are getting are junk? Kyrie is one of the best players in basketball and all he can get so far is that junk offer from the Suns? What will happen next is the fan base will try and talk themselves into the Suns deal as being o.k. I am a Minnesota sports fan and have seen it my whole life. The 7th pick and a scrub linebacker for Randy Moss.... Does that one ring a bell for anyone on here....

Name a max player who had 2-3 years left on his current contract and signed an extension. I'll wait.

It's nonsense that was put out by teams trying to acquire Irving in attempt to negotiate through the media (it isn't going to work). I'm pretty sure players aren't even eligible to sign extensions with that many years left on their current deal. An oral commitment wouldn't be enforceable anyway. The only purpose it serves is as an attempt to lower Kyrie's trade value.

I don't think his trade value is diminished to a team that wants to win now! My point is that limits the amount of teams that will offer him. Sacramento for instance is not going to offer up a bunch of good young players and draft picks for him because he is going to leave in two years. That trade doesn't make sense for teams like that. So who realistically thinks they can beat or make a run at the Warriors? Those teams are the ones who will look to trade for him. Name those teams and start looking at what they can offer and still think they can beat the Warriors in the next two years.... It makes it tough... The Timberwolves for instance can't offer up Wiggins for Kyrie if they think they are going to make a run at the Warriors. If they did that trade without getting a wing player back who can play a little the trade does not advance their team in trying to win a championship. Again, I am a huge Kyrie fan and wish we could get him somehow.... I just don't see it happening with the way the two teams are constructed and both wanting to win now.

So what I am saying is this: It is hard to make a trade because in theory both teams involved would be thinking they want to win a championship in the next couple of years. So if I am trading with that thought in mind how do I accomplish that? You guys want to win now as well, we both want to win now. If we just exchange win now pieces we are not really advancing our teams much unless I have a bunch of extra wings and need a point. Who fits that mold that is trying to win now?

If winning championships were Kyrie's highest priority, he wouldn't be asking for a trade in the fist place. Kyrie wants to be on a team where he's not in LBJ's shadow. Given where they're at in their rebuild, and all the drama they underwent with Cousins, I agree with you that the Kings are not a good choice. But two years is an eternity in the NBA & talent attracts talent. If you're a treadmill team that's desperate to change course, players like Kyrie don't come on the market often. Same goes for teams who have been rebuilding and are looking to obtain escape velocity.

[Stillwater]

Name a max player who had 2-3 years left on his current contract and signed an extension. I'll wait.

It's nonsense that was put out by teams trying to acquire Irving in attempt to negotiate through the media (it isn't going to work). I'm pretty sure players aren't even eligible to sign extensions with that many years left on their current deal. An oral commitment wouldn't be enforceable anyway. The only purpose it serves is as an attempt to lower Kyrie's trade value.

I don't think his trade value is diminished to a team that wants to win now! My point is that limits the amount of teams that will offer him. Sacramento for instance is not going to offer up a bunch of good young players and draft picks for him because he is going to leave in two years. That trade doesn't make sense for teams like that. So who realistically thinks they can beat or make a run at the Warriors? Those teams are the ones who will look to trade for him. Name those teams and start looking at what they can offer and still think they can beat the Warriors in the next two years.... It makes it tough... The Timberwolves for instance can't offer up Wiggins for Kyrie if they think they are going to make a run at the Warriors. If they did that trade without getting a wing player back who can play a little the trade does not advance their team in trying to win a championship. Again, I am a huge Kyrie fan and wish we could get him somehow.... I just don't see it happening with the way the two teams are constructed and both wanting to win now.

So what I am saying is this: It is hard to make a trade because in theory both teams involved would be thinking they want to win a championship in the next couple of years. So if I am trading with that thought in mind how do I accomplish that? You guys want to win now as well, we both want to win now. If we just exchange win now pieces we are not really advancing our teams much unless I have a bunch of extra wings and need a point. Who fits that mold that is trying to win now?

If winning championships were Kyrie's highest priority, he wouldn't be asking for a trade in the fist place. Kyrie wants to be on a team where he's not in LBJ's shadow. Given where they're at in their rebuild, and all the drama they underwent with Cousins, I agree with you that the Kings are not a good choice. But two years is an eternity in the NBA & talent attracts talent. If you're a treadmill team that's desperate to change course, players like Kyrie don't come on the market often. Same goes for teams who have been rebuilding and are looking to obtain escape velocity.

Right and this misunderstanding that he will definitely leave in 2 years just because he won't agree to sign an extension ahead of time is false.
This absolutely only indicates the obvious need for him to leave his options open,hold the power that he can with whatever org he moves to, and demand a higher salary(which he would automatically forfeit had he signed an extension before opting out in 2019 to test the fa market get offers from other teams and force the team he was traded to pay whatever others are offering him if they want to keep him. (Granted he won't be restricted so it would not be simply a need to match any offers,he could theoretically just leave).
But, whether the actual extension signing was done in 2 years as promised now if he was willing to do that or could be done on the day he is traded to any team (if that is possible under the cba, don't know) really has no bearing on whether he will stay with the team he is traded to.It has everything to do with if that team is the right situation for him and if they make the moves necessary to build around him like the Cav's told him they would do, but changed the plan when Lebron returned.
No team that is not interested in building around him , or even more so is not already in position with their roster to compliment him as the focus of their offense is less likely to be able to keep him, but for the ones that are, the odds are in their favor,
added; and so those teams should have no need to expect him to agree to sign an extension ahead of time.Any team demanding that or the deal is off, is playing themselves or actually is too far away to feel confident in retaining him anyway, and should move on.

[bmurph128]

We would do better IMO to stop thinking about PGs in return for Kyrie and start thinking about an elite 3 and d player.

I don't think our offense will suffer much even if you just swap out Irving for Rose (I think Love can shoulder more of the offensive load). What we really need to compete with the Warriors is an elite wing defender that can help guard KD.

[jbk1234]

Read on Twitter

This promo was just released. Kyrie's still in it.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6932899
Cavs get Detroits 2018 unprotected

[johnnyballgame]

So just last year Bender was looked at as the possible top overall pick before teams decided he wasn't quite worthy and he fell only to fourth overall. Now at the ripe old age of 19 he has so little value that no other teams covet him? Even at seven foot? Even with offensive skills most seven footers don't posses? He's 19. I'm not implying the Cavs should play him with a LeBron led team. And I don't know much about him other than scouting reports, mostly pre-draft, but come on. He's so young and so rare there has to be teams who'd think him and a middling first for an older star/semi-star is a fair deal..

He is a long ways away,that is all I am saying, so his value is not there yet for all potential trade partners, only for teams looking to rebuild as he will not help any playoff team or even a mediocre team reach the next level any time soon.That's the point in his not being good enough as a trade chip under most circumstances even for rebuilding team with players that might be intriguing to us ;maybe if you think Sac would take him in exchange for Fox? yeah right or maybe Orlando would take him in exchange for another project in Isaac who also doesn't help us.Maybe Boston would take him for Jaylen. I don't think so.

I think your potential trades are what's the issue. We wouldn't swing Bender for another young player like Fox, and you're right Sac wouldn't do that. He be traded for another older player who helps us win now and next year hopefully. That also makes LeBron wan to stay. I thought I made that clear when I posted an example of Bender, an expiring contract and some picks for Gasol. This was just an example, but it assumes a team is done for the season and considering a rebuild.. like if Conley got hurt again and Memphis was not even in playoff contention, they might try to get what it could for Gasol. We just need one team to value a guy taken fourth overall and a first and a contract. Seems entirely plausible to me, but requires the Cavs to make the deal with Phoenix and be patient with the newly found assets. In my humble opinion, trading Kyrie for Bledsoe is a step back, but the flexibility of having something to trade again (picks and Bender) would be enormous. Pre-Kyrie demands Cavs had nothing worth anything to offer anyone besides Love and the frontcourt is horrendous offensively without him.

[johnnyballgame]

We would do better IMO to stop thinking about PGs in return for Kyrie and start thinking about an elite 3 and d player.

I don't think our offense will suffer much even if you just swap out Irving for Rose (I think Love can shoulder more of the offensive load). What we really need to compete with the Warriors is an elite wing defender that can help guard KD.

What is the name of the player who can stop KD?

[johnnyballgame]

Read on Twitter

This promo was just released. Kyrie's still in it.

I saw that too. Jerseys for LeBron, Love and Irving shown.
I think its a sign.
Kyrie's going to say he never requested a trade and blame the fake mews media and his predecessor Ron Harper. Tell everyone Ron Harper requested to be traded for Danny Ferry. Claim he and LeBron are besties.
Then end the press conference with a nobody loves LeBron more than me. The Cavs are gonna be yuuge. The defense is building a wall around the basket. The Warriors are a bunch of losers who can't win the championship. Only I can win the championship.

[Stillwater]

^^ not likely, it was almost certain to have been put together before the trade request just not released until now and the Cavs no reason to change it,since he is still on the roster and they have no urgent need to move him,or that's what they prefer people to think so even if for some reason they "made the final edit" after the request than it was probably done intentionally.The fact is either way he is still a key member of this franchise and until he is moved whenever that is, none of this means anything.

[Stillwater]

So just last year Bender was looked at as the possible top overall pick before teams decided he wasn't quite worthy and he fell only to fourth overall. Now at the ripe old age of 19 he has so little value that no other teams covet him? Even at seven foot? Even with offensive skills most seven footers don't posses? He's 19. I'm not implying the Cavs should play him with a LeBron led team. And I don't know much about him other than scouting reports, mostly pre-draft, but come on. He's so young and so rare there has to be teams who'd think him and a middling first for an older star/semi-star is a fair deal..

He is a long ways away,that is all I am saying, so his value is not there yet for all potential trade partners, only for teams looking to rebuild as he will not help any playoff team or even a mediocre team reach the next level any time soon.That's the point in his not being good enough as a trade chip under most circumstances even for rebuilding team with players that might be intriguing to us ;maybe if you think Sac would take him in exchange for Fox? yeah right or maybe Orlando would take him in exchange for another project in Isaac who also doesn't help us.Maybe Boston would take him for Jaylen. I don't think so.

I think your potential trades are what's the issue. We wouldn't swing Bender for another young player like Fox, and you're right Sac wouldn't do that. He be traded for another older player who helps us win now and next year hopefully. That also makes LeBron wan to stay. I thought I made that clear when I posted an example of Bender, an expiring contract and some picks for Gasol. This was just an example, but it assumes a team is done for the season and considering a rebuild.. like if Conley got hurt again and Memphis was not even in playoff contention, they might try to get what it could for Gasol. We just need one team to value a guy taken fourth overall and a first and a contract. Seems entirely plausible to me, but requires the Cavs to make the deal with Phoenix and be patient with the newly found assets. In my humble opinion, trading Kyrie for Bledsoe is a step back, but the flexibility of having something to trade again (picks and Bender) would be enormous. Pre-Kyrie demands Cavs had nothing worth anything to offer anyone besides Love and the frontcourt is horrendous offensively without him.

I would rather scrape the dried up spit off a bar floor than watch Bender learn how to play basketball.

[bmurph128]

We would do better IMO to stop thinking about PGs in return for Kyrie and start thinking about an elite 3 and d player.

I don't think our offense will suffer much even if you just swap out Irving for Rose (I think Love can shoulder more of the offensive load). What we really need to compete with the Warriors is an elite wing defender that can help guard KD.

What is the name of the player who can stop KD?

It's so frustrating that people keep coming back with this.

Of course nobody can stop KD, just like nobody can stop LeBron - by that logic, doesn't it mean that we certainly should not have LeBron guarding KD???? He's still going to get his, but LeBron is expending too much energy trying to stop him.

We just need another long wing that's decent defensively to guard KD down the stretch. LeBron is best defensively when he can help.

[jbk1234]

We would do better IMO to stop thinking about PGs in return for Kyrie and start thinking about an elite 3 and d player.

I don't think our offense will suffer much even if you just swap out Irving for Rose (I think Love can shoulder more of the offensive load). What we really need to compete with the Warriors is an elite wing defender that can help guard KD.

What is the name of the player who can stop KD?

It's so frustrating that people keep coming back with this.

Of course nobody can stop KD, just like nobody can stop LeBron - by that logic, doesn't it mean that we certainly should not have LeBron guarding KD???? He's still going to get his, but LeBron is expending too much energy trying to stop him.

We just need another long wing that's decent defensively to guard KD down the stretch. LeBron is best defensively when he can help.

I actually think that Barnes and/or Noel would give Durant fits. A lot of his game is I'll just shoot over you because I'm really tall & have a ridiculous wing span. Dallas is a dark horse candidate for Kyrie IMO b/c of this.

[bmurph128]

What is the name of the player who can stop KD?

It's so frustrating that people keep coming back with this.

Of course nobody can stop KD, just like nobody can stop LeBron - by that logic, doesn't it mean that we certainly should not have LeBron guarding KD???? He's still going to get his, but LeBron is expending too much energy trying to stop him.

We just need another long wing that's decent defensively to guard KD down the stretch. LeBron is best defensively when he can help.

I actually think that Barnes and/or Noel would give Durant fits. A lot of his game is I'll just shoot over you because I'm really tall & have a ridiculous wing span. Dallas is a dark horse candidate for Kyrie IMO b/c of this.

I didn't even think about Barnes.

This would be awesome if it happened.

If it happened how do you think the rotations would play out?