Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving?

[King4Day]

Hmm... no Bledsoe, Bender, or Mia 1st in that picture...

Bender is in Europe playing ball...

Didn't know how to do green font from my phone, so I thought the "Mia 1st" would show that I was joking.

I had to restraining form LOL'ing at work when I read your comment earlier.

Also, has anyone noted that Williams is holding hot 'sauce' in his hand?

[Saberestar]

Griffin thinks Kyrie is going to get traded.
Former Cavaliers GM David Griffin joins The Jump and explains why he thinks Kyrie will be traded before the start of the season.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20276531

[michaelscarn]

Have a feeling that Kyrie's going to end up on the most random team possible, like the Kings or the Magic. just some team nobody thought of because they didn't have any assets but somehow the Cavs get fooled into making a deal. i.e. literally every major trade that has happened in the last year.

[LukasBMW]

Have a feeling that Kyrie's going to end up on the most random team possible, like the Kings or the Magic. just some team nobody thought of because they didn't have any assets but somehow the Cavs get fooled into making a deal. i.e. literally every major trade that has happened in the last year.

I think it will come down to Lebron. Lebron always gets what he wants and Gilbert will do everything except possibly include future unprotected picks to make it happen.

[sportscrazy]

Multi-Team Deal with Phoenix's portion being...

Tyson Chandler for Channing Frye, Meyers Leonard and 2018 Portland Trail Blazers Lottery Protected First Round Draft Pick (Top 10 Protected in 2019; Top 3 Protected in 2020 or becomes two second round picks in 2020 and 2021 if not conveyed)?

[bwgood77]

Griffin thinks Kyrie is going to get traded.
Former Cavaliers GM David Griffin joins The Jump and explains why he thinks Kyrie will be traded before the start of the season.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20276531

That's weird that he said "Brad Stevens" was a coach for a team on his list. Not on the list we know about. Also mentioned he had tried to recruit Hayward.

[sportscrazy]

Multi-Team Deal with Phoenix's portion being...

Tyson Chandler for Channing Frye, Meyers Leonard and 2018 Portland Trail Blazers Lottery Protected First Round Draft Pick (Top 10 Protected in 2019; Top 3 Protected in 2020 or becomes two second round picks in 2020 and 2021 if not conveyed)?

Or if Phoenix wanted to go the other way, what would they add to a Tyson Chandler for DeAndre Jordan deal?

[Moochthemonkey]

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Hmm... no Bledsoe, Bender, or Mia 1st in that picture...

well there is a Mia 2nd sitting next to Booker though

[NTB]

Changed his hair to improve his shooting percentage I guess.

[NavLDO]

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That's a lot of cheese.

Well, IMO, Warren definitely shouldn't be either. Wiggins isn't even their best player. KAT, then Butler, THEN Wiggins. Warren is our 3rd best player as we sit today. MAYBE Jackson supplants him, but point is, and no, I'm not going down the Warren-is-better-than-Wiggins rabbit hole, but if their 3rd best player is not available for trade, AND is getting the Max, then Warren, shouldn't be available for trade, and should get at least an 80% of Max salary; He's at LEAST 80% the player Wiggins is, he just wasn't drafted 1st overall, and isn't only 22.

Of 93 SGs and 71 SFs, depending how you view Wiggins, for O/D/RPM, Wiggins finished with 1.56 ORPM (13th/13th-SF), -3.16 DRPM and (91st/69th), and -1.60 RPM (52nd/45th) last year, I'm sorry, I'm not seeing a 'Max' player. That's not even close,and if most of you do not believe Warren is better, yet his advanced stats blow Wiggins' out of the water. Maybe he'll figure it out by year 2 or 3 of the contract, but I sure as heck wouldn't pay max money for those numbers...I don't care how he looks; I want production.

[lilfishi22]

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Hmm... no Bledsoe, Bender, or Mia 1st in that picture...

Traded Miami 1st for lunch for 10

Classic Sarver

[DirtyDez]

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That's a lot of cheese.

Well, IMO, Warren definitely shouldn't be either. Wiggins isn't even their best player. KAT, then Butler, THEN Wiggins. Warren is our 3rd best player as we sit today. MAYBE Jackson supplants him, but point is, and no, I'm not going down the Warren-is-better-than-Wiggins rabbit hole, but if their 3rd best player is not available for trade, AND is getting the Max, then Warren, shouldn't be available for trade, and should get at least an 80% of Max salary; He's at LEAST 80% the player Wiggins is, he just wasn't drafted 1st overall, and isn't only 22.

Of 93 SGs and 71 SFs, depending how you view Wiggins, for O/D/RPM, Wiggins finished with 1.56 ORPM (13th/13th-SF), -3.16 DRPM and (91st/69th), and -1.60 RPM (52nd/45th) last year, I'm sorry, I'm not seeing a 'Max' player. That's not even close,and if most of you do not believe Warren is better, yet his advanced stats blow Wiggins' out of the water. Maybe he'll figure it out by year 2 or 3 of the contract, but I sure as heck wouldn't pay max money for those numbers...I don't care how he looks; I want production.

IMO, Warren won't get anything close to Wiggins even he's great next year. Wiggins' basic numbers are overrated but he's still an above-the-rim player with an improving 3pt shot. I think we should trade Kyrie and keep Warren. If the Suns still need to add value do it with picks and not more players. Bender/Chriss aren't sure things as it is and picks are even less considering we're banking on HS kids.

I've wanted the Suns to tank the last five years to have a chance at "sure things" top-3 picks like Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Simmons, Ingram, Okafor. So far they haven't done much (Towns being the exception). I'm losing interest in that formula.

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or last 4 video from here:

https://www.instagram.com/earljwatson/?hl=en

Matt Barnes commented on Booker's video:

[bwgood77]

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That's a lot of cheese.

Well, IMO, Warren definitely shouldn't be either. Wiggins isn't even their best player. KAT, then Butler, THEN Wiggins. Warren is our 3rd best player as we sit today. MAYBE Jackson supplants him, but point is, and no, I'm not going down the Warren-is-better-than-Wiggins rabbit hole, but if their 3rd best player is not available for trade, AND is getting the Max, then Warren, shouldn't be available for trade, and should get at least an 80% of Max salary; He's at LEAST 80% the player Wiggins is, he just wasn't drafted 1st overall, and isn't only 22.

Of 93 SGs and 71 SFs, depending how you view Wiggins, for O/D/RPM, Wiggins finished with 1.56 ORPM (13th/13th-SF), -3.16 DRPM and (91st/69th), and -1.60 RPM (52nd/45th) last year, I'm sorry, I'm not seeing a 'Max' player. That's not even close,and if most of you do not believe Warren is better, yet his advanced stats blow Wiggins' out of the water. Maybe he'll figure it out by year 2 or 3 of the contract, but I sure as heck wouldn't pay max money for those numbers...I don't care how he looks; I want production.

Wiggins is overrated and one of the worst defenders in the league. He probably shouldn't get the max. Warren's #s overall are better as I've shown in the past (though in the 3 ball era we are in he doesn't hold as much value around the league right now..that's fine by me). Warren should not get 80% of the max though no matter what Wiggins got. Sometimes things happen more due to reputation and perceived upside. He's a year and a half younger and improved dramatically on his 3 ball this past year.

[Frank Lee]

Glad this Irving hubbub is dying down. I figure McStingy is playing for a lowballed approval. IMO, Bled and a pick/asset is plenty. Frankly, I also believe Bledsoe to be an asset in the Boogie Bid as well as the extreme long shot LeBron* for a year. I could see adding both, then promptly having a heart attack.


*That may sound crazy, but when looking at McD's past, he has stuck his nose in a quite a few of the 'big namers' up for auction. I would fully expect him to be in the mix with James. He was trying last time. Just think if he already had Boogie in tow or agreeing in principle.... Oh Brother.

Bled could be just enough bait enough to keep around.

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[ATTL]

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Hmm... no Bledsoe, Bender, or Mia 1st in that picture...

Traded Miami 1st for lunch for 10

Classic Sarver

Next June sarver brings out a dennys grand slam breakfast "THIS is our first round pick". The crowd cheers.

[BobbieL]

Multi-Team Deal with Phoenix's portion being...

Tyson Chandler for Channing Frye, Meyers Leonard and 2018 Portland Trail Blazers Lottery Protected First Round Draft Pick (Top 10 Protected in 2019; Top 3 Protected in 2020 or becomes two second round picks in 2020 and 2021 if not conveyed)?

Or if Phoenix wanted to go the other way, what would they add to a Tyson Chandler for DeAndre Jordan deal?

I don't think trading a guy with two years left on his deal for a guy with three - and that guy being Meyers Leonard, makes sense

[BobbieL]

Have a feeling that Kyrie's going to end up on the most random team possible, like the Kings or the Magic. just some team nobody thought of because they didn't have any assets but somehow the Cavs get fooled into making a deal. i.e. literally every major trade that has happened in the last year.

I think it will come down to Lebron. Lebron always gets what he wants and Gilbert will do everything except possibly include future unprotected picks to make it happen.

That means Bledsoe
That means an experienced veteran who knows how to play the game - Dudley, or chandler
that might mean a guy like Chriss to appease the Cleveland FO for a young guy
that means the heat pick
that possibly might mean the Suns second rounder for

Kyrie
Shumpert - if taking a contract got to dump a contract
Frye - because Dan Gilbert will be shipping $3-5m in this deal
RJ - perhaps too

[Moochthemonkey]

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