Markelle Fultz Discussion

[Unbreakable99]

he shoots like cj mccollum now. it's because his release was a bit on the slow side. he could get away with it in college but he and his personal trainer thought it needed tweaking at the next level. he wanted to have a quicker release, shooting over quicker and longer defenders in the nba

Gotcha. Yeah he definitely needs to get the ball out quicker going against longer and faster players.

[LordCovington33]

I was trying to figure who Markelle looks like, and then I saw Tracy Chapman seeing Fast Car on Max.

[Ericb5]

:P I was trying to figure who Markelle looks like, and then I saw Tracy Chapman seeing Fast Car on Max.

Lol


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[Unbreakable99]

Tatum admits he would have been the top pick. I know people want to say he says that only because the Celtics said it and what else would you expect them to say. But it seems that Tatum would have gone first. It was very obvious Ainge didn't want Fultz. That's why he was trying to trade down. The Lakers weren't going to take Fultz. BC overpaid for Fultz. He would have been there with the 3rd pick. BC gave up a very valuable asset to a rival . Fultz was not going to get picked by Boston. I'm sure if it. I never liked the trade and stil don't. BC traded up and may have gotten a worse player. If Fultz isn't worse then the trade up didn't warrant what he had to give up.

Read on Twitter

“The Celtics were always going to pick me at No. 1,” he said on a podcast Tuesday.

He explained the situation further:

Philly didn’t know that. Philly thought Boston was going to pick Markelle, so Philly traded the pick and gave Boston a pick for next year. So Boston was like, ‘Well, we can still get the player we want, a next year’s pick, and then we get the player we wanted for less money.’ So Boston still got all that they wanted, and Philly had to give up something. But Philly didn’t know that Boston was going to pick me, so that’s why they traded up.

[mcscotty]

I think Fultz is the top prospect on this team. Him and Saric are the future. OK4, Embiid, and Simmons lack the maturity and mental fortitude to realize their potential and will never be winners in this league.

[dkj5061]

Tatum admits he would have been the top pick. I know people want to say he says that only because the Celtics said it and what else would you expect them to say. But it seems that Tatum would have gone first. It was very obvious Ainge didn't want Fultz. That's why he was trying to trade down. The Lakers weren't going to take Fultz. BC overpaid for Fultz. He would have been there with the 3rd pick. BC gave up a very valuable asset to a rival . Fultz was not going to get picked by Boston. I'm sure if it. I never liked the trade and stil don't. BC traded up and may have gotten a worse player. If Fultz isn't worse then the trade up didn't warrant what he had to give up.

Read on Twitter

“The Celtics were always going to pick me at No. 1,” he said on a podcast Tuesday.

He explained the situation further:

Philly didn’t know that. Philly thought Boston was going to pick Markelle, so Philly traded the pick and gave Boston a pick for next year. So Boston was like, ‘Well, we can still get the player we want, a next year’s pick, and then we get the player we wanted for less money.’ So Boston still got all that they wanted, and Philly had to give up something. But Philly didn’t know that Boston was going to pick me, so that’s why they traded up.

So essentially you're saying, "if Fultz is bad, Colangelo screwed up by picking the worse player. If Fultz is good, it wasn't worth trading for him because in my mind, the consensus first pick would have fell to 3."

That seems like an unfair way to grade the trade, as there is no way you can possibly be wrong. Also, every report I saw out of LA was that they were enamored by Fultz. I guess in that scenario, you would think the trade is even worse though since we would have landed your boy Ball.

IMO, all of this moot. Either Boston was taking Fultz first or they were trading it to somebody else who would. I don't want to speak definitively though, because I have absolutely no idea who Ainge actually would have taken (given his history, maybe he actually did think Tatum was the best player).

[dkj5061]

I think Fultz is the top prospect on this team. Him and Saric are the future. OK4, Embiid, and Simmons lack the maturity and mental fortitude to realize their potential and will never be winners in this league.

I don't necessarily think you're wrong (I do, but it's arguable), but I think you have that opinion for the wrong reasons. Any scenario where Embiid and Simmons flop out isn't because of some lack of a "winning gene" or maturity. Embiid wants to win more than most players I've ever seen, his competitiveness is unreal. Simmons determination is pretty remarkable as well, but I think his more about becoming the best player he can possibly be. I think Simmons wants to be a great player more, and Embiid wants to have a great team more, but either way they both want to realize their potential.

Now if you want to say that 6'5 dynamite scorer in a guards league is a better prospect than two guys over 6'10 with foot problems, I can stomach that take much easier. I'm legitimately concerned about both player's health (Embiid much more than Simmons), but their attitude and dedication towards their craft help ease those concerns for me.

[Gsraider]

Tatum admits he would have been the top pick. I know people want to say he says that only because the Celtics said it and what else would you expect them to say. But it seems that Tatum would have gone first. It was very obvious Ainge didn't want Fultz. That's why he was trying to trade down. The Lakers weren't going to take Fultz. BC overpaid for Fultz. He would have been there with the 3rd pick. BC gave up a very valuable asset to a rival . Fultz was not going to get picked by Boston. I'm sure if it. I never liked the trade and stil don't. BC traded up and may have gotten a worse player. If Fultz isn't worse then the trade up didn't warrant what he had to give up.

Do you really want to be right that badly? Why does it seem that Tatum would have gone first? Because Ainge said so and probably told Tatum the same thing as well in order to bump up his confidence level? If you are going to believe that report, why don't you believe the reports that said Fultz killed his workout with LA and they were trying to trade up to select him? Those were pretty rampant and cited by multiple sources. About the only thing above that you wrote that I believe is that Ainge did not want to take Fultz. Not because he wasn't the top prospect, but because the top prospect happened to play the position where Boston was most stacked and because the disparity between Fultz, Tatum, Ball, and Jackson was not considered that great.

Be that as it may, I don't believe for a second that Boston would have taken Tatum #1 overall and would probably have traded something with LA or Phoenix in the end to make a move and still wind up in the top 4 with a great chance of still landing Tatum. I believe that Ainge could justify taking Tatum at #3, but would have been afraid to skip on Fultz at #1 myself. If you wish to believe that BC got fleeced, so be it, but if you believe that based on honest Ainge's comments (regurgitated via Tatum), I have some swamp land to sell you.

[Simmons25]

Tatum admits he would have been the top pick. I know people want to say he says that only because the Celtics said it and what else would you expect them to say. But it seems that Tatum would have gone first. It was very obvious Ainge didn't want Fultz. That's why he was trying to trade down. The Lakers weren't going to take Fultz. BC overpaid for Fultz. He would have been there with the 3rd pick. BC gave up a very valuable asset to a rival . Fultz was not going to get picked by Boston. I'm sure if it. I never liked the trade and stil don't. BC traded up and may have gotten a worse player. If Fultz isn't worse then the trade up didn't warrant what he had to give up.

Read on Twitter

“The Celtics were always going to pick me at No. 1,” he said on a podcast Tuesday.

He explained the situation further:

Philly didn’t know that. Philly thought Boston was going to pick Markelle, so Philly traded the pick and gave Boston a pick for next year. So Boston was like, ‘Well, we can still get the player we want, a next year’s pick, and then we get the player we wanted for less money.’ So Boston still got all that they wanted, and Philly had to give up something. But Philly didn’t know that Boston was going to pick me, so that’s why they traded up.

That's why Ainge after trading the pick to Philly hoped straight on a plane to go and see Josh Jackson who then proceeded to pull down his pants and moon Ainge. It's cute though that he made Tatum believe he wasn't really the "other girl just in case" that was his 3rd choice after Jackson and Fultz.

Ainge is a liar. He is a proven liar. Every draft he tells anyone that would listen how good he would have been in hindsight. Let's wait and see if Tatum is better than Fultz to really grade this trade.

[Negrodamus]

It's a little unnerving to me that Ainge rated Tatum #1, if we are to believe this report, because I stand by my #1 ranking of Tatum and Ainge is pretty bad at drafting.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Jesus give it a rest. You have 60+ post in the official thread of a player you didn't want from the beginning. At this point your almost baiting. Quoting stupid articles and posting tweets in the half of a summer league game trying to take a victory lap. You're embarrassing yourself.

Look at this new and amazing information. Jayson Tatum states after the fact that the Celtics would of taken him number one. I'm sure they would have just like I'm sure Ainge is a good drafter and that the Celtics have offered every team the moon for their all-stars. O wait though it's a potential negative Fultz article....must post it along with the same diatribe I've been posting since we drafted him.

[Sixerscan]

The first thing Ainge did after making that trade was get on a cross country flight to see Josh Jackson lol.

"I know Ainge is a liar and there is both clear evidence that he's lying and reason for him to lie but the thing he is lying about supports what I already thought so I will believe him."

[Unbreakable99]

I think Fultz is the top prospect on this team. Him and Saric are the future. OK4, Embiid, and Simmons lack the maturity and mental fortitude to realize their potential and will never be winners in this league.

Lol. Nonsense. Please tell me the mental fortitude and maturity issues Embiid and Simmons have.

[LloydFree]

It's a little unnerving to me that Ainge rated Tatum #1, if we are to believe this report, because I stand by my #1 ranking of Tatum and Ainge is pretty bad at drafting.

Ainge "pants'd" Colangelo in that trade, but I think Ainge ruined the potential value by selecting Tatum... and I don't believe there was ever a chance in Hades that he would have selected Tatum #1. He wanted Jackson and had to settle for Tatum, to save face, once Jackson and BJ Armstrong embarrassed him on that plane.

[Eyeamok]

Tatum admits he would have been the top pick. I know people want to say he says that only because the Celtics said it and what else would you expect them to say. But it seems that Tatum would have gone first. It was very obvious Ainge didn't want Fultz. That's why he was trying to trade down. The Lakers weren't going to take Fultz. BC overpaid for Fultz. He would have been there with the 3rd pick. BC gave up a very valuable asset to a rival . Fultz was not going to get picked by Boston. I'm sure if it. I never liked the trade and stil don't. BC traded up and may have gotten a worse player. If Fultz isn't worse then the trade up didn't warrant what he had to give up.

Read on Twitter

“The Celtics were always going to pick me at No. 1,” he said on a podcast Tuesday.

He explained the situation further:

Philly didn’t know that. Philly thought Boston was going to pick Markelle, so Philly traded the pick and gave Boston a pick for next year. So Boston was like, ‘Well, we can still get the player we want, a next year’s pick, and then we get the player we wanted for less money.’ So Boston still got all that they wanted, and Philly had to give up something. But Philly didn’t know that Boston was going to pick me, so that’s why they traded up.

Has there ever been a GM that traded down and then said. "We did not get the player we wanted."?

And Tatum has been drinking too much of the kool aid already.

[Sixerscan]

Billy King said he wanted to trade 3 first round picks for Yi Jianlian but the Bucks turned him down that one year.

[Negrodamus]

It's a little unnerving to me that Ainge rated Tatum #1, if we are to believe this report, because I stand by my #1 ranking of Tatum and Ainge is pretty bad at drafting.

Ainge "pants" Colangelo in that trade, but I think Ainge ruined the potential value by selecting Tatum... and I don't believe there was ever a chance in Hades that he would have selected Tatum #1. He wanted Jackson and had to settle for Tatum, to save face, once Jackson and BJ Armstrong embarrassed him on that plane.

Might be so, but I'm standing by Tatum being a bit better than Jackson in the NBA.

[76ciology]

Value doesnt necessarily means impact.

[LloydFree]

It's a little unnerving to me that Ainge rated Tatum #1, if we are to believe this report, because I stand by my #1 ranking of Tatum and Ainge is pretty bad at drafting.

Ainge "pants" Colangelo in that trade, but I think Ainge ruined the potential value by selecting Tatum... and I don't believe there was ever a chance in Hades that he would have selected Tatum #1. He wanted Jackson and had to settle for Tatum, to save face, once Jackson and BJ Armstrong embarrassed him on that plane.

Might be so, but I'm standing by Tatum being a bit better than Jackson in the NBA.

Could be. We'll see how it plays out over the next few years. I like the situation that both players landed. Tatum, having more current skills should be able to get some minutes for a team trying to win. And Jackson landing on a team with Booker and Bledsoe, gives him an opportunity to show his strengths. Really, all 4 top picks, went to perfect landing spots for their personal development, IMO.

[Misteclipse]

I think Fultz is the top prospect on this team. Him and Saric are the future. OK4, Embiid, and Simmons lack the maturity and mental fortitude to realize their potential and will never be winners in this league.

Lmao. Lakers fans man.

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