Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving?

[Saberestar]

[ATTL]

As soon as Brandon knight is gone JJ is taking that number.

[NavLDO]

Looking at the trade machine... man there are some horrible teams out there. Dallas, Brooklyn, Detroit, Atlanta, Orlando, US. Its not the year to consider a Tank repeat as it will likely occur naturally. I thought we had cornered ourselves into mediocrity but man... look at Toronto... $90 mill per for the next 3 wrapped up in Lowery, DeRoz, Ibaka, and JoVal ??? Between Bledsoe, Chandler, Dudley, and Knight.... almost 60% of our projected cap space for next year is eaten, but at a paltry $51 mill... and then the elders drop off. Sure, we are on the cusp of paying 20+ mill per to somebody, but for now, McD and Sarver have insulated themselves from the recent price hike/hype in salaries.

This league is IMO, venturing into a dangerous area... 2 or 3 really good teams, 2 or 3 pretty good teams....and 5 or 6 really bad teams. The rest 20 or so mediocre ones, one or two players away from being really good or really bad, but not competitive enough to unseat the good ones. Shades of the Laker/Celt/Sixer dominated 80s. (Detroit did slip in there in 88 and 89) If not for the great rivalries, that decade would have been tough on the average fan. Nowadays, these guys are so buddy buddy in their league wide millionaire club, that hard edge competition is gone. Its easy to cope with losing when you crawl home to your 5000 sq ft man cave. The focus for many of these guys is not winning the championship.... its making the roster for a few years/contracts and if wise, be set for life. Big money strikes again.

Yeah, no kidding. It also doesn't help when normally Max players are taking discounts to play on certain teams,or certain players, to win Championships, while others that aren't worthy of Max contracts are sticking it to teams to get the Max contracts because that team happens not to be in Boston, NYC, LA, San Francisco, or Miami, etc.

[NatiboyB]

I don't see the value for the Cavs in doing this however

pretty funny to see this on the homepage of CNN

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726269-cavs-trying-to-find-next-kyrie-while-hoping-they-can-keep-the-one-they-have?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Did you see the offer? Bledsoe and a pick is what he thinks gets it done. No mention of other players attached to the deal. If so, that would be very interesting. Maybe PHX #1 top 10 protected this year, top 7 next year, then open in 2020. I'd rather make it a pick swap myself, so we still have two first round picks to trade next summer.

Bledsoe/PHX #1 (top 7)
Kyrie/CLE #1 (top 20)

CLE saves money and gets a good pick. PHX gets a younger, higher ceiling and still gets a pick back. Very simple deal to execute.

[bwgood77]

pretty funny to see this on the homepage of CNN

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726269-cavs-trying-to-find-next-kyrie-while-hoping-they-can-keep-the-one-they-have?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Did you see the offer? Bledsoe and a pick is what he thinks gets it done. No mention of other players attached to the deal. If so, that would be very interesting. Maybe PHX #1 top 10 protected this year, top 7 next year, then open in 2020. I'd rather make it a pick swap myself, so we still have two first round picks to trade next summer.

Bledsoe/PHX #1 (top 7)
Kyrie/CLE #1 (top 20)

CLE saves money and gets a good pick. PHX gets a younger, higher ceiling and still gets a pick back. Very simple deal to execute.

I wouldn't want it unprotected in 2020 the year after Irving is likely gone. I'd even rather have less protection the prior year so we were likely to lose it then or something.

[mab2039]

That article above in bleacher report was written by Ric Bucher, lol.

[TASTIC]

Read on Twitter

Dare I say...Kirilenko-esque...

[Phystic]

I could see them wait until New Years. If they are under .500 and maybe 4 or 5 games behind the 8th spot, and all this while the team is healthy, they will probably attempt to make a move. Question is, is it worth deakling Cousins for what will probably be a protected first or a low end prospect?

I'd deal them the Miami pick and Warren for him if he commits to re-sign long term. That's likely more than they'll get from anyone else and gives them a solid piece to pair with Davis.

Warren and a likely late 1st rounder for Cousins WITH longterm commitment? Come on thats a horrible offer and not close to the best they'd get.

You're right. If any team can get a commitment then they will get some better offers.
But with the little time they'd have left, how many teams would offer a piece the Pels could add to their core and under control?
So many people here are hell bent on not moving warren, yet when he's added in a deal, he's not considered valuable.

Not sure what it'd take to get him then without a commitment but it won't be much. Probably better for the Pels to just ride the season out and hope for the best.

When its all said and done, Warren Will be a 6th man role player. And hes gotta be paid next year which is a negative to his value. If Cousins is that unhappy he has no reason to even demand a trade, just finish out the year and go where he wants. Either way, Warren and a late 1st aren't getting you much let alone a player of Cousins caliber (despite what he netted the Kings)

[SideSwipe]

I don't see the value for the Cavs in doing this however

pretty funny to see this on the homepage of CNN

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726269-cavs-trying-to-find-next-kyrie-while-hoping-they-can-keep-the-one-they-have?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Did you see the offer? Bledsoe and a pick is what he thinks gets it done. No mention of other players attached to the deal. If so, that would be very interesting. Maybe PHX #1 top 10 protected this year, top 7 next year, then open in 2020. I'd rather make it a pick swap myself, so we still have two first round picks to trade next summer.

Bledsoe/PHX #1 (top 7)
Kyrie/CLE #1 (top 20)

CLE saves money and gets a good pick. PHX gets a younger, higher ceiling and still gets a pick back. Very simple deal to execute.

I'm not saying this will be the deal, just dovetailing off the article above. That said who else does CLE want that they can get before camp? Bledsoe is their man they want, they are just not ready to admit it. Multiple reasons. One thing that hasn't been touched on is getting Bledsoe may help LBJ stay longer than just this year. Bledsoe bridges the gap, does it with better defense, efficient offense, and as a player more accepting of a role. They would get Bledsoe with a good pick coming back. In a vacuum, I don't see their values too different from this offer, but understand their perceived values are different around the league which may prompt a higher price for Kyrie.

I just keep kicking myself that in a year that Butler, George move we sit still while Kyrie we are jumping for. Ideally we would have bagged Butler, then grabbed Kyrie via trade, then the team starts coming together. Maybe Boogie next summer... oh what could have been....or maybe the long-play here is LBJ.

[BobbieL]

I don't see the value for the Cavs in doing this however

pretty funny to see this on the homepage of CNN

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726269-cavs-trying-to-find-next-kyrie-while-hoping-they-can-keep-the-one-they-have?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Did you see the offer? Bledsoe and a pick is what he thinks gets it done. No mention of other players attached to the deal. If so, that would be very interesting. Maybe PHX #1 top 10 protected this year, top 7 next year, then open in 2020. I'd rather make it a pick swap myself, so we still have two first round picks to trade next summer.

Bledsoe/PHX #1 (top 7)
Kyrie/CLE #1 (top 20)

CLE saves money and gets a good pick. PHX gets a younger, higher ceiling and still gets a pick back. Very simple deal to execute.

Bledsoe Heat pick for Kyrie. Do not think it needs to be many more future picks. Maybe 2019 protected. That 2018 Suns pick is OFF the table unless protected to 10. Too many good players in this next draft. I still want Kyrie to NYC and Frank N to phoenix with the contracts (not Lee but Thomas, Kuzm) that make it work

Gambo mentioned he heard Austin Rivers and Jordan for Kyrie (I think the Cavs would have to add salary like Frye/RJ or Shumpert). I stopped listening as I got home but the last thing he said was the Suns would just do nothing, hang around and see if the price changes to their liking - or something to that affect

[thamadkant]

pretty funny to see this on the homepage of CNN

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726269-cavs-trying-to-find-next-kyrie-while-hoping-they-can-keep-the-one-they-have?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Did you see the offer? Bledsoe and a pick is what he thinks gets it done. No mention of other players attached to the deal. If so, that would be very interesting. Maybe PHX #1 top 10 protected this year, top 7 next year, then open in 2020. I'd rather make it a pick swap myself, so we still have two first round picks to trade next summer.

Bledsoe/PHX #1 (top 7)
Kyrie/CLE #1 (top 20)

CLE saves money and gets a good pick. PHX gets a younger, higher ceiling and still gets a pick back. Very simple deal to execute.

That article is a bit late.

Cavs want more than Bledsoe and a pick, hence this issue.

Suns cannot trade away a pick without protection, they are REBUILDING. If they were 9th or 10th in a competitive conference, I can see Suns letting that pick go because aim is to finish above 9th... but Suns were second worst team last season and probably had worst on-court performance in the 2nd half of the season. Pick 1 and Bledsoe for Irving?.... not worth it. Especially in a draft that ha 3-4 franchise changing players... potentially.

[TeamTragic]

Jordan/Rivers for Kyrie? Gilbert really is an idiot

[LukasBMW]

Jordan/Rivers for Kyrie? Gilbert really is an idiot

If it's Jordan and Rivers we can beat that with Tyson and Bledsoe EASILY.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycnoy85m

I'll even throw in the Miami pick.

Hell, they can even have Len if we can S&T him.

[8on]

CLE in: Bledsoe, Warren, Chriss
CLE out: Irving

PHX in: Irving, Capela, Anderson
PHX out: Bledsoe, Warren, Chriss, Bender, Chandler

HOU in: Jordan
HOU out: Capela, Anderson, HOU 2020 1st

LAC in: Bender, Chandler, HOU 2020 1st (maybe?)
LAC out: Jordan

What do you guys think?

[LukasBMW]

CLE in: Bledsoe, Warren, Chriss
CLE out: Irving

PHX in: Irving, Capela, Anderson
PHX out: Bledsoe, Warren, Chriss, Bender, Chandler

HOU in: Jordan
HOU out: Capela, Anderson, HOU 2020 1st

LAC in: Bender, Chandler, HOU 2020 1st (maybe?)
LAC out: Jordan

What do you guys think?

Too much.

[jredsaz]

I don't see the value for the Cavs in doing this however

Did you see the offer? Bledsoe and a pick is what he thinks gets it done. No mention of other players attached to the deal. If so, that would be very interesting. Maybe PHX #1 top 10 protected this year, top 7 next year, then open in 2020. I'd rather make it a pick swap myself, so we still have two first round picks to trade next summer.

Bledsoe/PHX #1 (top 7)
Kyrie/CLE #1 (top 20)

CLE saves money and gets a good pick. PHX gets a younger, higher ceiling and still gets a pick back. Very simple deal to execute.

Bledsoe Heat pick for Kyrie. Do not think it needs to be many more future picks. Maybe 2019 protected. That 2018 Suns pick is OFF the table unless protected to 10. Too many good players in this next draft. I still want Kyrie to NYC and Frank N to phoenix with the contracts (not Lee but Thomas, Kuzm) that make it work

Gambo mentioned he heard Austin Rivers and Jordan for Kyrie (I think the Cavs would have to add salary like Frye/RJ or Shumpert). I stopped listening as I got home but the last thing he said was the Suns would just do nothing, hang around and see if the price changes to their liking - or something to that affect

When in the broadcast did gambo mention the clips rumor? Like which hour? Thanks.

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[matt131]

Jordan/Rivers for Kyrie? Gilbert really is an idiot

wouldn't surprise me if jerry west pulled it off

[TeamTragic]

CLE in: Bledsoe, Warren, Chriss
CLE out: Irving

PHX in: Irving, Capela, Anderson
PHX out: Bledsoe, Warren, Chriss, Bender, Chandler

HOU in: Jordan
HOU out: Capela, Anderson, HOU 2020 1st

LAC in: Bender, Chandler, HOU 2020 1st (maybe?)
LAC out: Jordan

What do you guys think?

Did you just send out Warren/Chriss AND Bender?

[jredsaz]

CLE in: Bledsoe, Warren, Chriss
CLE out: Irving

PHX in: Irving, Capela, Anderson
PHX out: Bledsoe, Warren, Chriss, Bender, Chandler

HOU in: Jordan
HOU out: Capela, Anderson, HOU 2020 1st

LAC in: Bender, Chandler, HOU 2020 1st (maybe?)
LAC out: Jordan

What do you guys think?

Yeah. Thats a lot going on there. Don't think the Clips would be down.

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[Qwigglez]

CLE in: Bledsoe, Warren, Chriss
CLE out: Irving

PHX in: Irving, Capela, Anderson
PHX out: Bledsoe, Warren, Chriss, Bender, Chandler

HOU in: Jordan
HOU out: Capela, Anderson, HOU 2020 1st

LAC in: Bender, Chandler, HOU 2020 1st (maybe?)
LAC out: Jordan

What do you guys think?

Wow.
Caepla and Anderson do nothing for me. So it's basically Bledsoe, Warren, Chriss, Bender for Irving which is the biggest overpay ever.