Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion #5: A Serving of Irving?

[TeamTragic]

If it is true that DeAndre Jordan and Rivers are available for Irving that is a solid offer.

IDK if people are sleeping about Jordan, he is a nightmare defensively and on the boards. All Star on the East for sure.

Rivers is a meh, but he is not worse than Shumpert.

Irving/Shumpert for DeAndre/Rivers/Future First.

Rivers is **** terrible. What would they do with DJ? I would replace solid with laughable.

[RaisingArizona]

Jordan and Rivers is not a good offer at all. Bled plus a pick beats that any day.

[matt131]

There's no way TT and Jordan could play at the same time. That trade does nothing for the Cavs.


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[bwgood77]

I don't think Blake would be too happy if they traded away his best buddy Jordan. Beverley would actually be a nice replacement for Irving though. Probably a better fit than Bledsoe being a better 3 pt shooter and defender. But they don't have any picks or young players to add really. Don't think Dekker would do it.

[SideSwipe]

I actually like the idea of Jordan on the Cavs. He draws attention away from Lebron and sags defenders off the 3pt line. I thought that they should have figured out a Paul/Jordan trade earlier before Paul left and Irvings request came in. That said, I think Bledsoe and a high-pick are definitely worth more. pick>Jordan, Bledsoe>>>Rivers

I keep thinking that if Bledsoe is going out the sweetener should be Chandler, unless we have other plans for him. I think he fits the Cavs really well. The trick is I am beginning to think Chandler would just as well finish out his career in PHX. I think his family likes it here, and he is ready to ride off into the sunset here in a few years. I think he appreciates the stability the FO has given him here.

[Saberestar]

Jordan and Rivers is not a good offer at all. Bled plus a pick beats that any day.

Jordan is a game changer. Bledsoe is not a Top 10 PG in the league right now...probably not even Top 15.

Jordan is a sure Top 10 C, and he provides rebounding and intimidation.

For someone like us that have suffered players like Plumlee, Len or an old Chandler playing C in the last four years he would be great to watch at that position.

If the Cavs get Jordan, they can trade Tristan to another team for a PG.

It is not a perfect trade, but I do not think that Jordan/Rivers/First is worse than Bledsoe/Bender/First.

[Saberestar]

I don't think Blake would be too happy if they traded away his best buddy Jordan. Beverley would actually be a nice replacement for Irving though. Probably a better fit than Bledsoe being a better 3 pt shooter and defender. But they don't have any picks or young players to add really. Don't think Dekker would do it.

Yeah, Beverly/Jordan/future first for Irving/Frye is another good trade option.

[Sunzgunz]

How do you mean? They can get Jordan/Rivers

Yeah, that's kind of my point. 3 to 4 weeks ago we would have got laughed at for suggesting Jordan and rivers in a trade.

If that's truly the best they have, im not even offering bender or the pick (whichever we were offering for kyrie)

Bledsoe (statistically on par with Kyrie last year)
Chandler (statistically on par w/ Jordan, best of clip trade, ...a dying style to boot)

Which our to do it. Bled and bender, or bled and pick definitely do it.

Bledsoe and Irving are not on the same tier. I do not even care about their stats, it is so obvious.

Chandler and Jordan are comparable??
Chandler is old and he does not protect the rim AT ALL.
So much difference. They are on different worlds.

All things being equal, its not even close! Unfortunately for the Cav's, things aren't equal, this is a salvage trade no matter how much the Cav's pretend otherwise.

With that said, my point was, based on last year's stats, and stats alone, its not a big drop off from Kyrie to Bledsoe. And the same is slightly true regarding regarding Jordan and Chandler (just stats, not marketability, impact, etc...but again, this is a salvage trade)

I like Jordan, unfortunately systems and skillets have find ways to minimise this style of play if really needed.

For the record, theyre both bad trades for cleveland. But I'm not convinced Jordan and rivers is considerably better than a Bledsoe/Chandler
..our package is a better group statistically. All i was trying to say.

[RaisingArizona]

Jordan and Rivers is not a good offer at all. Bled plus a pick beats that any day.

Jordan is a game changer. Bledsoe is not a Top 10 PG in the league right now...probably not even Top 15.

Jordan is a sure Top 10 C, and he provides rebounding and intimidation.

For someone like us that have suffered players like Plumlee, Len or an old Chandler playing C in the last four years he would be great to watch at that position.

If the Cavs get Jordan, they can trade Tristan to another team for a PG.

It is not a perfect trade, but I do not think that Jordan/Rivers/First is worse than Bledsoe/Bender/First.

Centers are kind of useless in this new era. What PG could the Cavs get for TT? Rivers is just not a good player. You're heavily underrating Bledsoe in this trade.

[jredsaz]

Jordan and Rivers is not a good offer at all. Bled plus a pick beats that any day.

Jordan is a game changer. Bledsoe is not a Top 10 PG in the league right now...probably not even Top 15.

Jordan is a sure Top 10 C, and he provides rebounding and intimidation.

For someone like us that have suffered players like Plumlee, Len or an old Chandler playing C in the last four years he would be great to watch at that position.

If the Cavs get Jordan, they can trade Tristan to another team for a PG.

It is not a perfect trade, but I do not think that Jordan/Rivers/First is worse than Bledsoe/Bender/First.

Jordan can't play in the last 5 minutes of games. Don't know how effective he will be against the warriors in a playoff series. I like his game fine and he is a top 10 center but he has huge holes in his game. I thin he and bled actually have similar value to the Cavs. But I could be wrong.

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[Djedefre]

Jordan and Rivers is not a good offer at all. Bled plus a pick beats that any day.

Jordan is a game changer. Bledsoe is not a Top 10 PG in the league right now...probably not even Top 15.

[thamadkant]

If it is true that DeAndre Jordan and Rivers are available for Irving that is a solid offer.

IDK if people are sleeping about Jordan, he is a nightmare defensively and on the boards. All Star on the East for sure.

Rivers is a meh, but he is not worse than Shumpert.

Irving/Shumpert for DeAndre/Rivers/Future First.

Rivers is **** terrible. What would they do with DJ? I would replace solid with laughable.

Jordan is not going to do cheap against Warriors because they just park Green up top and lanes are open again. Offensively he is a hack and would make Cavs even easier to guard.

Jordan would help Celtics or Raptors though. Traditional teams that need defense and rebounding in the paint. Cavs play small ball.


What Cavs need is fat Kevin Love again.... He would be so hard to guard inside the paint throwing his big butt. But he had to get skinny so that players like Green could guard him.

[Kjdills13]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y95jaosx

Cavs- Bledsoe, Jordan
Clippers- Irving, chandler
Suns- cavs 1st 2019 clippers 1st 2020
Frye, Jefferson, then a few fillers for cap relief.

Get chandler and Bledsoe off the books stockpile 2 more first round picks. Then try to sign or trade for a star.

This is if we can't get kyrie for Bledsoe and Bender -st

[Saberestar]

Jordan and Rivers is not a good offer at all. Bled plus a pick beats that any day.

Jordan is a game changer. Bledsoe is not a Top 10 PG in the league right now...probably not even Top 15.

Jordan is a sure Top 10 C, and he provides rebounding and intimidation.

For someone like us that have suffered players like Plumlee, Len or an old Chandler playing C in the last four years he would be great to watch at that position.

If the Cavs get Jordan, they can trade Tristan to another team for a PG.

It is not a perfect trade, but I do not think that Jordan/Rivers/First is worse than Bledsoe/Bender/First.

Centers are kind of useless in this new era. What PG could the Cavs get for TT? Rivers is just not a good player. You're heavily underrating Bledsoe in this trade.

Centers are not useless if they are really good...like Gobert or Jordan.

[King4Day]

Just a thought... With the C's not likely being willing to offer IT the 5 year max, if we could deal Bledsoe, would you guys be willing to make a run at Thomas next Summer? It'd cost us a ton. prob 120 over 4 years. But he's basically giving us what Irving would.
It'd make us worse defensively since Thomas is also short but if Booker improves his D this season, it might work.

[RaisingArizona]

Just a thought... With the C's not likely being willing to offer IT the 5 year max, if we could deal Bledsoe, would you guys be willing to make a run at Thomas next Summer? It'd cost us a ton. prob 120 over 4 years. But he's basically giving us what Irving would.
It'd make us worse defensively since Thomas is also short but if Booker improves his D this season, it might work.

[Jdiddy701]

As much as I LOVE Isaiah Thomas, signing him to a max contract is insane. He's earned it. Just wouldn't do it.


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[Qwigglez]

I'd double the offer we gave him initially 4 years ago. So 14mil a year.

So no I don't want IT either. I like watching him with the Celtics, and I enjoyed his time with the Suns, but it's hard to give him max money.

[Frank Lee]

Suppose there is a deal that makes everyone happy?

Melo wants to go to Houston
Irving to NY
LeBron wants talent
McD wants more toys in his chest

This is an 'out there' shot at it... so ... here it goes....

To Houston : Anthony
To NY : Irving / Shumpert /
To Cleveland : Bledsoe / Chandler / Dudley / Houston 1st 2019
To Phnx : Anderson / Ariza / Frye / Ntilikina / Houston 1st 2021

Sure... we take on $60mill in Anderson... call it 20 per year.... but its a wash this year, and we cut close to 15 mill in 2019 by unloading the anti-timeline trio.






COME ON......WHOS WITH ME ?




damn Im bored

[NavLDO]

I dont think we are trading anyone. McD put his offer out and thats it. Take it or leave it. If he was hell bent on making changes he would have went all in on George or Butler. I imagine he did the same with them... a reasonable offer, but not one bit more.

The major off season adjustment period is over except for a few more minor signings. You can tell... for players are now inking up with China and foreign lot. (Poor DMO ) I think McD had two paths to take. The first one was try for a big name stud...then add to that... the second, stand pat and circle the wagons. May be explore any opportunity that comes up. There's not much else he can do, or at least is willing to do. He's invested in 4-5 young guys. Lets hope for a 3 out of 5 positive return. The check book will open up again next year. Eventually we'll get a taker.

Kyrie is definitely a top tiered player, but to me, he is a slightly better lateral move replacing Bled. In two years they both could be gone, or absorbing 25% of our payroll I dont know if I am going to be able to stand the excessive contracts coupled with the glad assing inter-team camaraderie these players show. Im all for maxing out your income, but the league is going down a treacherous all or nothing pathway with wealth disparity equal to that of the real world.

All good points. McD, as you've stated, has likely made his offer, and it's that or nothing. It's just sometimes,he makes ill-advised offers--:cough: LAL 1st for BK :cough:.

And yes, Kyrie is a slightly better lateral move to Bledsoe; with Kyrie though, as has been stated by many, we trading for his age and name as much as we are trading for his talent.

And I hope we do bring Len back; I'd love to see who breaks out this year between:

2013 - Len
2014 - Warren
2015 - Booker
2016 - Bender, Chriss
2017 - Jackson

And then, there is still Ulis, Reed, Peters, Sauce, and Jones Jr