Markelle Fultz Discussion

[Mrcrockpots]

Embiid has pressure on him to stay healthy and earn that max. Simmons has pressure on him to prove he is a transcendent talent. Fultz has pressure on him so angry people on realgm don't write mean stuff about him.

[Ericb5]

Ainge "pants" Colangelo in that trade, but I think Ainge ruined the potential value by selecting Tatum... and I don't believe there was ever a chance in Hades that he would have selected Tatum #1. He wanted Jackson and had to settle for Tatum, to save face, once Jackson and BJ Armstrong embarrassed him on that plane.

Might be so, but I'm standing by Tatum being a bit better than Jackson in the NBA.

Could be. We'll see how it plays out over the next few years. I like the situation that both players landed. Tatum, having more current skills should be able to get some minutes for a team trying to win. And Jackson landing on a team with Booker and Bledsoe, gives him an opportunity to show his strengths. Really, all 4 top picks, went to perfect landing spots for their personal development, IMO.

I agree.

I don't feel strongly that any of the top players are Head and shoulders above any of the others.

I think that any of Dennis Smith, Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum could turn out to be the best player in 5 years. Same thing with Ball or Fultz.

I put those guys in an order simply because you have to make a choice.

Lloyd, like you I had Jackson and Ball over Fultz, but I would suspect that you would concede that it is possible that Fultz is better than either of them in 5 years, right?

There weren't any Towns' or Simmons' in this draft that were clearly ahead. That's why we play the games.

Tatum probably fit the Celtics best of the top players so he was a completely reasonable pick for the Celtics even at 1.




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[LloydFree]

Might be so, but I'm standing by Tatum being a bit better than Jackson in the NBA.

Could be. We'll see how it plays out over the next few years. I like the situation that both players landed. Tatum, having more current skills should be able to get some minutes for a team trying to win. And Jackson landing on a team with Booker and Bledsoe, gives him an opportunity to show his strengths. Really, all 4 top picks, went to perfect landing spots for their personal development, IMO.

I agree.

I don't feel strongly that any of the top players are Head and shoulders above any of the others.

I think that any of Dennis Smith, Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum could turn out to be the best player in 5 years. Same thing with Ball or Fultz.

I put those guys in an order simply because you have to make a choice.

Lloyd, like you I had Jackson and Ball over Fultz, but I would suspect that you would concede that it is possible that Fultz is better than either of them in 5 years, right?

There weren't any Towns' or Simmons' in this draft that were clearly ahead. That's why we play the games.

Tatum probably fit the Celtics best of the top players so he was a completely reasonable pick for the Celtics even at 1.

Anything's possible. But I doubt it. Fultz isn't in Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson's class as a prospect, IMO. That doesn't change because the 76ers drafted him.

If I had to bet on who(barring injury) is likely to be the best player from this draft, I'd take Ball, Jackson, Smith or Isaac. They could all bust too. But in my opinion, they all have standout/Star tools and/or skills. Fultz (and Tatum) doesn't have​ that. Fultz has a variety of good skills. Fultz may become a very good player. I just don't think he was the best player in this class.

[Simmons25]

Yes Ainge lies but it was VERY obvious he did NOT want to draft Fultz. DID NOT. He wanted out of the top spot. If he had no takers he wasn't going to take Fultz. Fultz was going to be there at 3. I'm sure of it.

We will never know. Maybe he rated them 1. Jackson, 2. Fultz 3. Ball and a distance to Tatum at 4 in that order... and completely blew it because his top 3 were gone or in the case of Jackson not interested.

It would make sense as he knew Fultz/Ball were going 1/2 and he would be able to get Jackson at 3. Fultz and or Ball most probably were his next wanted players but threw the chance of getting that out the window once he traded the #1 pick.

[Sixerscan]

Fultz better ball out. I demand he become the best player in the draft.

Or what

Or I'll make a very angry post about it.

Lol that was actually a good one.

I just don't get the consistent dedication to complaining about this trade. The way you guys have been whining for literally every day for the last 6 weeks you would think they traded #3, both the Lakers and Kings picks, Embiid, Simmons, Saric, Covington, all the cap space and your grandparents for the guy. I get that you didn't like the move they made, but this isn't the Bynum trade, even if it goes horribly we are still in excellent shape.

At the very least you've gotta let things play out a little bit. They haven't even played a game yet lol. If you keep this up for the next 2 months you are going to go nuts.

[LordCovington33]

Fultz better ball out. I demand he become the best player in the draft.

I don't think your demand will be met.

I could never envision a world where I hate on my own teams number 1 overall pick before he even plays a game

You are right, it is so weird. The moment a player joins my team, I back him 100%. It wouldn't surprise that they are waiting for him to burn so they can tell others they are right. Whatever rocks their boat, I guess

[GabeCerebro]

Could be. We'll see how it plays out over the next few years. I like the situation that both players landed. Tatum, having more current skills should be able to get some minutes for a team trying to win. And Jackson landing on a team with Booker and Bledsoe, gives him an opportunity to show his strengths. Really, all 4 top picks, went to perfect landing spots for their personal development, IMO.

I agree.

I don't feel strongly that any of the top players are Head and shoulders above any of the others.

I think that any of Dennis Smith, Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum could turn out to be the best player in 5 years. Same thing with Ball or Fultz.

I put those guys in an order simply because you have to make a choice.

Lloyd, like you I had Jackson and Ball over Fultz, but I would suspect that you would concede that it is possible that Fultz is better than either of them in 5 years, right?

There weren't any Towns' or Simmons' in this draft that were clearly ahead. That's why we play the games.

Tatum probably fit the Celtics best of the top players so he was a completely reasonable pick for the Celtics even at 1.

Anything's possible. But I doubt it. Fultz isn't in Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson's class as a prospect, IMO. That doesn't change because the 76ers drafted him.

If I had to bet on who(barring injury) is likely to be the best player from this draft, I'd take Ball, Jackson, Smith or Isaac. They could all bust too. But in my opinion, they all have standout/Star tools and/or skills. Fultz (and Tatum) doesn't have​ that. Fultz has a variety of good skills. Fultz may become a very good player. I just don't think he was the best player in this class.

Who cares? He was undoubtedly the best fit for us in the entire draft... And we got him. All that matters.

[Mrcrockpots]

Could be. We'll see how it plays out over the next few years. I like the situation that both players landed. Tatum, having more current skills should be able to get some minutes for a team trying to win. And Jackson landing on a team with Booker and Bledsoe, gives him an opportunity to show his strengths. Really, all 4 top picks, went to perfect landing spots for their personal development, IMO.

I agree.

I don't feel strongly that any of the top players are Head and shoulders above any of the others.

I think that any of Dennis Smith, Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum could turn out to be the best player in 5 years. Same thing with Ball or Fultz.

I put those guys in an order simply because you have to make a choice.

Lloyd, like you I had Jackson and Ball over Fultz, but I would suspect that you would concede that it is possible that Fultz is better than either of them in 5 years, right?

There weren't any Towns' or Simmons' in this draft that were clearly ahead. That's why we play the games.

Tatum probably fit the Celtics best of the top players so he was a completely reasonable pick for the Celtics even at 1.

Anything's possible. But I doubt it. Fultz isn't in Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson's class as a prospect, IMO. That doesn't change because the 76ers drafted him.

If I had to bet on who(barring injury) is likely to be the best player from this draft, I'd take Ball, Jackson, Smith or Isaac. They could all bust too. But in my opinion, they all have standout/Star tools and/or skills. Fultz (and Tatum) doesn't have​ that. Fultz has a variety of good skills. Fultz may become a very good player. I just don't think he was the best player in this class.

Thinking that tankathon.com from last season will be replaced with Lloydathon.com this year providing us updated analysis on Jackson, Lonzo and Fultz. Looking forward to these debates all season.

[LloydFree]

I agree.

I don't feel strongly that any of the top players are Head and shoulders above any of the others.

I think that any of Dennis Smith, Josh Jackson or Jayson Tatum could turn out to be the best player in 5 years. Same thing with Ball or Fultz.

I put those guys in an order simply because you have to make a choice.

Lloyd, like you I had Jackson and Ball over Fultz, but I would suspect that you would concede that it is possible that Fultz is better than either of them in 5 years, right?

There weren't any Towns' or Simmons' in this draft that were clearly ahead. That's why we play the games.

Tatum probably fit the Celtics best of the top players so he was a completely reasonable pick for the Celtics even at 1.

Anything's possible. But I doubt it. Fultz isn't in Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson's class as a prospect, IMO. That doesn't change because the 76ers drafted him.

If I had to bet on who(barring injury) is likely to be the best player from this draft, I'd take Ball, Jackson, Smith or Isaac. They could all bust too. But in my opinion, they all have standout/Star tools and/or skills. Fultz (and Tatum) doesn't have​ that. Fultz has a variety of good skills. Fultz may become a very good player. I just don't think he was the best player in this class.

Thinking that tankathon.com from last season will be replaced with Lloydathon.com this year providing us updated analysis on Jackson, Lonzo and Fultz. Looking forward to these debates all season.

There won't be anything worthwhile to debate regarding this, when the season comes. If Embiid is healthy, the team will be winning, and we'll have other things to focus on, other than a draft mistake.

[Mrcrockpots]

Didn't mean any disrespect. One of my passions is following the best prospects in the draft and their journey in the NBA. Love these kinds of debates, such as the rookie of the year race, which rookie is putting up the best analytics, etc. If you don't, I'll most surely be providing analysis and graphs regarding the top prospects development.

[freshie2]

It will be interesting to see unfold. Ball will be fun to watch and Jackson is intriguing, but even if you rank them ahead of Fultz there's not a great discrepancy to support many of the comments made.

Anxious to see how Brown coaches actual talent and potential egos this year. He did a great job without talent, but coaching talent and winning may be more challenging.

[Mrcrockpots]

This is the first year I'll be watching Brett Brown and really holding him accountable late in games. Looking forward to it.

[Unbreakable99]

It will be interesting to see unfold. Ball will be fun to watch and Jackson is intriguing, but even if you rank them ahead of Fultz there's not a great discrepancy to support many of the comments made.

Anxious to see how Brown coaches actual talent and potential egos this year. He did a great job without talent, but coaching talent and winning may be more challenging.

It's definitely more challenging try to manage egos and win with talent when their are expectations than coaching a bunch of players just above D League level.

[76ciology]

Will Ben Simmons and/or biid be much better with Fultz on court than without him?

[Mrcrockpots]

It all comes down to the players buying into Brett's system. I think Brett is infectious with young players, and I'm pretty confident he'll be able to balance the rock between the 3.

[Unbreakable99]

Will Ben Simmons and/or biid be much better with Fultz on court than without him?

Both without.

[LloydFree]

Will Ben Simmons and/or biid be much better with Fultz on court than without him?

I expect nearly every rookie in the NBA except Simmons and Josh Jackson to be a net negative to their team.

[76ciology]

Will Ben Simmons and/or biid be much better with Fultz on court than without him?

I expect nearly every rookie in the NBA except Simmons and Josh Jackson to be a net negative to their team.

personally, I think Fultz need to improve his halfcourt and transition playmaking and act as a pressure release valve from Simmons. Kind of unfair, but It's hard to be a plus player without a good assist number from a perimeter player. well, maybe BS plays better with him being a roll man than without him as a primary playmaker.

[Simmons25]

Will Ben Simmons and/or biid be much better with Fultz on court than without him?

There is definitely going to be some pain in the first few months whilst the team sorts out it's identity. I don't expect us to be playing decent basketball until Mid Dec to early Jan.

Last year it was very ISO heavy around Joel who had a very high usage. He also had less offensive talent around him though. When Joel wasn't in there the ball flew around more ala San Antonio.

But with the players we have this year the ball will be in Simmons hands more at the point. Traditionally Simmons is more a drive and score or dish out to someone open kind of player... and the ball sticks in his hands more ala Lebron. It will mean Embiid is going to get a lot more open looks and dunks... but then make take away from Joels strength which is that he is a very good 1 on 1 ISO guy as well. Fultz as well is excellent at creating his own shot.

It's in the half court where I think the biggest growing pains will happen but the talent is there. On defense this team could be very very good... and will do a lot of scoring on the break off defensive rebounds in the open court. Going to be fun to watch.

[bedjawII]

It all comes down to the players buying into Brett's system. I think Brett is infectious with young players, and I'm pretty confident he'll be able to balance the rock between the 3.

It'll be interesting watching BB coach his first NBA team