Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[magnumt]

Dragic is nice and will help in the now but he is 30 already so what else would Miami add to it? Phoenix has their picks tied up at the moment, correct?

Not too mention Winslow makes Shandon Anderson look like Ray Allen.

--Mags

Ahhhhhh.... A Shandon Anderson reference. How he managed a 10 year career is mind boggling.

Loved those early 00's knicks. If only more players had that Spree aggression to the rim. Westbrook-esq

Spree and H20 have a helluva combo at SG/SF. A slasher and a shooter, both of whom could pass. Then you had though Frontcourt guys to help protect them. It's a shame injures devastated that team.

--Mags

[Dupp]

Anything from bleacher report isn't worth reading let alone believing.

What's with laker fans thinking bron will go there? He doesn't want to lose anymore it's win or nothing at this stage of his career.

Every year they are getting the big free agents apparently but in reality it's mozgov and deng that end up there

Cleveland isn't exactly lining them up either for FAs, even WITH Lebron. It's so far been Vet Minimum or guys who couldn't get bigger deals elsewhere.

Also, even WITH Lebron it's only been ONE ring so far, with HEAVY rumors of him leaving next year.

Granted BR isn't a breaking news type place, but they do well as a rumor mill and news aggregator.

--Mags

None of this makes any sense. We're already a winning team. 3 final and 1 title in 3 years.

Only teams that make sense for bron are Houston and Boston

[magnumt]

Anything from bleacher report isn't worth reading let alone believing.

What's with laker fans thinking bron will go there? He doesn't want to lose anymore it's win or nothing at this stage of his career.

Every year they are getting the big free agents apparently but in reality it's mozgov and deng that end up there

Cleveland isn't exactly lining them up either for FAs, even WITH Lebron. It's so far been Vet Minimum or guys who couldn't get bigger deals elsewhere.

Also, even WITH Lebron it's only been ONE ring so far, with HEAVY rumors of him leaving next year.

Granted BR isn't a breaking news type place, but they do well as a rumor mill and news aggregator.

--Mags

None of this makes any sense. We're already a winning team. 3 final and 1 title in 3 years.

Only teams that make sense for bron are Houston and Boston

He's not going to Boston, but I agree on Houston.

A lot of off the court things come into play here for LA:

- He has a home there
- Wanting to supplant the Kobe/MJ legacy
- FINALLY playing in a big market
- The Lakers have more maneuverability/flexibility and less drama (currently) than the Cavs

Especially if George becomes a viable option.

--Mags

[Kerrsed]

Cleveland isn't exactly lining them up either for FAs, even WITH Lebron. It's so far been Vet Minimum or guys who couldn't get bigger deals elsewhere.

Also, even WITH Lebron it's only been ONE ring so far, with HEAVY rumors of him leaving next year.

Granted BR isn't a breaking news type place, but they do well as a rumor mill and news aggregator.

--Mags

None of this makes any sense. We're already a winning team. 3 final and 1 title in 3 years.

Only teams that make sense for bron are Houston and Boston

He's not going to Boston, but I agree on Houston.

A lot of off the court things come into play here for LA:

- He has a home there
- Wanting to supplant the Kobe/MJ legacy
- FINALLY playing in a big market
- The Lakers have more maneuverability/flexibility and less drama (currently) than the Cavs

Especially if George becomes a viable option.

--Mags

I keep seeing people throwing out the same reasons why the Lakers are the place to go for him, and just wonder Why Not the Clippers?

-Still in LA (Same building, same market)
-Already have some good players
-Yet another chance to take a team that has won nothing and get them their 1st title (Unlike winning the Lakers their 17th)

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[jbk1234]

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This is why I'm not 100% convinced that everyone can't just suit up and go another year if push comes to shove. Things haven't been all that rosy in the locker room since LBJ returned.

[DowJones]

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This is why I'm not 100% convinced that everyone can't just suit up and go another year if push comes to shove. Things haven't been all that rosy in the locker room since LBJ returned.

There is no doubt that they would and that is the best bet st this point. Trade Kyrie a year from now for whatever you can get.

[jbk1234]

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This is why I'm not 100% convinced that everyone can't just suit up and go another year if push comes to shove. Things haven't been all that rosy in the locker room since LBJ returned.

There is no doubt that they would and that is the best bet st this point. Trade Kyrie a year from now for whatever you can get.

I'm still somewhat hopeful that once teams realize he's not going anywhere on a discount that a legit offer will be made.

[Warchant]

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This is why I'm not 100% convinced that everyone can't just suit up and go another year if push comes to shove. Things haven't been all that rosy in the locker room since LBJ returned.

Wow people are so ignorant....its public knowledge now...you had no clue this was going on last yr

[Birdie]

What makes no sense about this "new" information, what purpose does it serve? If anything, it F's over CLE and their negotiations and it F's over Kyrie if he really wants out? It's like, at every turn, either CLE or Kyrie don't want to do anything...

If Kyrie was this butthurt during the playoffs, we sure as hell didn't get one peep about it but the fact Dave McMenamin is "breaking" this as some kind of bombshell OMG non-story, I just don't understand it's timing. If anything, it just muddies this already circus of a situation.

Regardless though, I don't see CLE giving Kyrie up for pennies on the dollar but I also think, CLE isn't gonna be that "picky" in thinking someone gonna be dumb enough to give up a Billy King special and might opt for something that I'm sure most fans will be like "omg, CLE got fleeced, they could've gotten more" circular thinking...

[jbk1234]

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This is why I'm not 100% convinced that everyone can't just suit up and go another year if push comes to shove. Things haven't been all that rosy in the locker room since LBJ returned.

Wow people are so ignorant....its public knowledge now...you had no clue this was going on last yr

You have no idea what I know or don't know.

[jbk1234]

What makes no sense about this "new" information, what purpose does it serve? If anything, it F's over CLE and their negotiations and it F's over Kyrie if he really wants out? It's like, at every turn, either CLE or Kyrie don't want to do anything...

If Kyrie was this butthurt during the playoffs, we sure as hell didn't get one peep about it but the fact Dave McMenamin is "breaking" this as some kind of bombshell OMG non-story, I just don't understand it's timing. If anything, it just muddies this already circus of a situation.

Regardless though, I don't see CLE giving Kyrie up for pennies on the dollar but I also think, CLE isn't gonna be that "picky" in thinking someone gonna be dumb enough to give up a Billy King special and might opt for something that I'm sure most fans will be like "omg, CLE got fleeced, they could've gotten more" circular thinking...

James Jones was the source. He now works for Phoenix.

[MotownMadness]

What makes no sense about this "new" information, what purpose does it serve? If anything, it F's over CLE and their negotiations and it F's over Kyrie if he really wants out? It's like, at every turn, either CLE or Kyrie don't want to do anything...

If Kyrie was this butthurt during the playoffs, we sure as hell didn't get one peep about it but the fact Dave McMenamin is "breaking" this as some kind of bombshell OMG non-story, I just don't understand it's timing. If anything, it just muddies this already circus of a situation.

Regardless though, I don't see CLE giving Kyrie up for pennies on the dollar but I also think, CLE isn't gonna be that "picky" in thinking someone gonna be dumb enough to give up a Billy King special and might opt for something that I'm sure most fans will be like "omg, CLE got fleeced, they could've gotten more" circular thinking...

James Jones was the source. He now works for Phoenix.

Damn that's messed up as these stories do seem to just be planted to kill his value.

Like they are inside sources that just felt like mentioning this stuff now or something

[bwgood77]

What makes no sense about this "new" information, what purpose does it serve? If anything, it F's over CLE and their negotiations and it F's over Kyrie if he really wants out? It's like, at every turn, either CLE or Kyrie don't want to do anything...

If Kyrie was this butthurt during the playoffs, we sure as hell didn't get one peep about it but the fact Dave McMenamin is "breaking" this as some kind of bombshell OMG non-story, I just don't understand it's timing. If anything, it just muddies this already circus of a situation.

Regardless though, I don't see CLE giving Kyrie up for pennies on the dollar but I also think, CLE isn't gonna be that "picky" in thinking someone gonna be dumb enough to give up a Billy King special and might opt for something that I'm sure most fans will be like "omg, CLE got fleeced, they could've gotten more" circular thinking...

James Jones was the source. He now works for Phoenix.

How do you know he was the source?

[jbk1234]

What makes no sense about this "new" information, what purpose does it serve? If anything, it F's over CLE and their negotiations and it F's over Kyrie if he really wants out? It's like, at every turn, either CLE or Kyrie don't want to do anything...

If Kyrie was this butthurt during the playoffs, we sure as hell didn't get one peep about it but the fact Dave McMenamin is "breaking" this as some kind of bombshell OMG non-story, I just don't understand it's timing. If anything, it just muddies this already circus of a situation.

Regardless though, I don't see CLE giving Kyrie up for pennies on the dollar but I also think, CLE isn't gonna be that "picky" in thinking someone gonna be dumb enough to give up a Billy King special and might opt for something that I'm sure most fans will be like "omg, CLE got fleeced, they could've gotten more" circular thinking...

James Jones was the source. He now works for Phoenix.

How do you know he was the source?

The Suns hired former Cavalier James Jones to a front office position in July and told McMenamin that Irving didn't speak to his teammates between the first round when the team defeated the Indiana Pacers and before facing the Toronto Raptors.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/10/kyrie-irving-trade-rumors-cavs-playoffs-without-speaking

[OsuCavsfan103]

James Jones was the source. He now works for Phoenix.

How do you know he was the source?

The Suns hired former Cavalier James Jones to a front office position in July and told McMenamin that Irving didn't speak to his teammates between the first round when the team defeated the Indiana Pacers and before facing the Toronto Raptors.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/10/kyrie-irving-trade-rumors-cavs-playoffs-without-speaking

If true then it makes Kyrie even more pathetic than he already seems anymore.

Although I hate to be a conspirator here, but James Jones is saying this, and it's his PHX team that would benefit more and more if Kyrie's value goes down. Perhaps they are trying some underhanded tactic to drive the asking price down for him so they don't have to relent as much.

The question I have is if anyone else will corroborate this and why hasn't Kyrie had the stones to speak to the media about any of this?

[Prez]

All this "new" stuff just adds more meaning to stuff that was reported over the past 3 years. Like that one report about several guys on the team being pissed about Kyrie's gunner tendencies:

Spoiler:

Several unnamed members of the Cleveland Cavaliers are reportedly unhappy with Kyrie Irving's shoot-first, pass-later approach to the point guard position, according to Chris Haynes of Cleveland.com.

Those frustrations were exacerbated Wednesday night. With LeBron James taking the evening off, Irving scored 33 points on 12-of-28 shooting from the field in a 99-98 win over the Dallas Mavericks, but he managed just one assist.

While his teammates are frustrated with a lack of assists, they are more frustrated that Irving often seems unwilling to pass, per Haynes. He noted that Irving's teammates were left scratching their heads at one point during the game when Irving dribbled for the duration of the shot clock before putting up a tough shot that he missed.

Haynes added, "The notion within the locker room is that the situation is tolerable, because it isn't permanent. If the Cavaliers were dealt the misfortune of playing without [LeBron] James for an extended period of time, this locker room would be boiling over."

His teammates reportedly taking issue with his lack of distribution isn't new this season. In February, Haynes reported that James, "has been growing livid about being the sole proprietor of making sure guys are involved, and in a rhythm" and that "Irving has to take some of that responsibility away."

Then the well documented history of Kyrie being straight up **** on defense. Lacking focus, physicality, lazy in PnR situations, and often just not knowing or even caring what to do. I know reportedly some Bucks players got on Jabari Parker for something similar once, although Jabari at least tries and it's more so just awful awareness/low defensive IQ with him. With Kyrie he's at least shown he's capable, and is still trash most of the time. I have to believe his teammates are pissed about that just as much as they are about the tunnel vision.

The locker room issues are probably way worse than we thought and probably have a lot to do with how he plays on top of now all the reported personality/ego issues.

[Birdie]

James Jones was the source. He now works for Phoenix.

How do you know he was the source?

The Suns hired former Cavalier James Jones to a front office position in July and told McMenamin that Irving didn't speak to his teammates between the first round when the team defeated the Indiana Pacers and before facing the Toronto Raptors.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/10/kyrie-irving-trade-rumors-cavs-playoffs-without-speaking

You're assuming that jbk tho. McMenamin is CLE's beat reporter, why would he burn the team he's tasked with covering? This would be the type of info, if I were McMenamin, I'd keep this info in my back pocket when dealing with Cavs org in order to get other stuff or quid pro quo that shiz. In essence, to a degree, he just f'd them over a personality/whatever feelings Kyrie was in for being the way he was. It certainly didn't prevent them from winning though.

[jbk1234]

How do you know he was the source?

The Suns hired former Cavalier James Jones to a front office position in July and told McMenamin that Irving didn't speak to his teammates between the first round when the team defeated the Indiana Pacers and before facing the Toronto Raptors.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/10/kyrie-irving-trade-rumors-cavs-playoffs-without-speaking

If true then it makes Kyrie even more pathetic than he already seems anymore.

Although I hate to be a conspirator here, but James Jones is saying this, and it's his PHX team that would benefit more and more if Kyrie's value goes down. Perhaps they are trying some underhanded tactic to drive the asking price down for him so they don't have to relent as much.

The question I have is if anyone else will corroborate this and why hasn't Kyrie had the stones to speak to the media about any of this?

Yeah but if you get that Phoenix is leaking this to lower his trade value, so do the other teams who want Kyrie.

[Cavaliers2]

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This is why I'm not 100% convinced that everyone can't just suit up and go another year if push comes to shove. Things haven't been all that rosy in the locker room since LBJ returned.

Wow people are so ignorant....its public knowledge now...you had no clue this was going on last yr

There have basically been nonstop rumors about locker room drama since Lebron came back, where have you been? Surprising you didn't know that with the way you jump on every anti cavs report