Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[OsuCavsfan103]

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/10/kyrie-irving-trade-rumors-cavs-playoffs-without-speaking

If true then it makes Kyrie even more pathetic than he already seems anymore.

Although I hate to be a conspirator here, but James Jones is saying this, and it's his PHX team that would benefit more and more if Kyrie's value goes down. Perhaps they are trying some underhanded tactic to drive the asking price down for him so they don't have to relent as much.

The question I have is if anyone else will corroborate this and why hasn't Kyrie had the stones to speak to the media about any of this?

Yeah but if you get that Phoenix is leaking this to lower his trade value, so do the other teams who want Kyrie.

Yeah but PHX knows Bledsoe and Bron are buddies and I am sure Bron is pushing for the PHX deal himself... and Jones and Bron were always close and talk, so I wouldn't be surprised if Jones was reporting that to the PHX FO.

It's a bit "conspirator" but I could see it.

[jbk1234]

If true then it makes Kyrie even more pathetic than he already seems anymore.

Although I hate to be a conspirator here, but James Jones is saying this, and it's his PHX team that would benefit more and more if Kyrie's value goes down. Perhaps they are trying some underhanded tactic to drive the asking price down for him so they don't have to relent as much.

The question I have is if anyone else will corroborate this and why hasn't Kyrie had the stones to speak to the media about any of this?

Yeah but if you get that Phoenix is leaking this to lower his trade value, so do the other teams who want Kyrie.

Yeah but PHX knows Bledsoe and Bron are buddies and I am sure Bron is pushing for the PHX deal himself... and Jones and Bron were always close and talk, so I wouldn't be surprised if Jones was reporting that to the PHX FO.

It's a bit "conspirator" but I could see it.

That's not how it works. Phoenix signs JJ's paychecks now. His future career is in the Suns' F.O. I promise you that his friendship with LBJ comes in a distant second to that.

[Dupp]

James Jones was the source. He now works for Phoenix.

How do you know he was the source?

The Suns hired former Cavalier James Jones to a front office position in July and told McMenamin that Irving didn't speak to his teammates between the first round when the team defeated the Indiana Pacers and before facing the Toronto Raptors.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/10/kyrie-irving-trade-rumors-cavs-playoffs-without-speaking

Jones didn't say that. It's fake news.

[purplepowerade]

no idea how a deal will get done

its pretty obvious that all the deals for kyrie are currently on the table, and if the cavs don't want them i'm not sure what will change tbh

[DirtyDez]

If true then it makes Kyrie even more pathetic than he already seems anymore.

Although I hate to be a conspirator here, but James Jones is saying this, and it's his PHX team that would benefit more and more if Kyrie's value goes down. Perhaps they are trying some underhanded tactic to drive the asking price down for him so they don't have to relent as much.

The question I have is if anyone else will corroborate this and why hasn't Kyrie had the stones to speak to the media about any of this?

Yeah but if you get that Phoenix is leaking this to lower his trade value, so do the other teams who want Kyrie.

Yeah but PHX knows Bledsoe and Bron are buddies and I am sure Bron is pushing for the PHX deal himself... and Jones and Bron were always close and talk, so I wouldn't be surprised if Jones was reporting that to the PHX FO.

It's a bit "conspirator" but I could see it.

At what point do they stop listening to LBJ and do what they feel is best for the team?

[PhillySixers22]

If we go by recent returns for traded stars, expectations shouldn't be too high in Cleveland. I'm expecting Kyrie to be a Cav at the start of the season at least unless they decide Bledsoe is the right course to go, without Jackson attached. Is Irving really more highly valued than Butler or George? Bledsoe, Warren and a pick or Chriss is a comparable return to what Chicago got and much better than Indy.

[INKtastic]

What makes no sense about this "new" information, what purpose does it serve? If anything, it F's over CLE and their negotiations and it F's over Kyrie if he really wants out? It's like, at every turn, either CLE or Kyrie don't want to do anything...

If Kyrie was this butthurt during the playoffs, we sure as hell didn't get one peep about it but the fact Dave McMenamin is "breaking" this as some kind of bombshell OMG non-story, I just don't understand it's timing. If anything, it just muddies this already circus of a situation.

Regardless though, I don't see CLE giving Kyrie up for pennies on the dollar but I also think, CLE isn't gonna be that "picky" in thinking someone gonna be dumb enough to give up a Billy King special and might opt for something that I'm sure most fans will be like "omg, CLE got fleeced, they could've gotten more" circular thinking...

James Jones was the source. He now works for Phoenix.

James Jones was NOT the source. Something he NEVER SAID was incorrectly attributed to him by bleacher report, and everyone else just ran with it without checking the original source. The source of the quote was McMenamin, the same McMenamin who was 100% wrong a few weeks ago with a claim LeBron wasn't recruiting anyone this offseason.

[INKtastic]

James Jones was the source. He now works for Phoenix.

How do you know he was the source?

The Suns hired former Cavalier James Jones to a front office position in July and told McMenamin that Irving didn't speak to his teammates between the first round when the team defeated the Indiana Pacers and before facing the Toronto Raptors.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/10/kyrie-irving-trade-rumors-cavs-playoffs-without-speaking

There is a huge (and faulty) jump in logic to get from what McMenamin said to what SI said. McMenamin never said James Jones told him anything. Many articles are quoting McMenamin, but claiming the quote is from James Jones.

[shangrila]

Yeah but if you get that Phoenix is leaking this to lower his trade value, so do the other teams who want Kyrie.

Yeah but PHX knows Bledsoe and Bron are buddies and I am sure Bron is pushing for the PHX deal himself... and Jones and Bron were always close and talk, so I wouldn't be surprised if Jones was reporting that to the PHX FO.

It's a bit "conspirator" but I could see it.

At what point do they stop listening to LBJ and do what they feel is best for the team?

When he leaves.

[jbk1234]

How do you know he was the source?

The Suns hired former Cavalier James Jones to a front office position in July and told McMenamin that Irving didn't speak to his teammates between the first round when the team defeated the Indiana Pacers and before facing the Toronto Raptors.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/10/kyrie-irving-trade-rumors-cavs-playoffs-without-speaking

There is a huge (and faulty) jump in logic to get from what McMenamin said to what SI said. McMenamin never said James Jones told him anything. Many articles are quoting McMenamin, but claiming the quote is from James Jones.

Unless they confirmed it from other sources. Has JJ issued a denial?

[magnumt]

None of this makes any sense. We're already a winning team. 3 final and 1 title in 3 years.

Only teams that make sense for bron are Houston and Boston

He's not going to Boston, but I agree on Houston.

A lot of off the court things come into play here for LA:

- He has a home there
- Wanting to supplant the Kobe/MJ legacy
- FINALLY playing in a big market
- The Lakers have more maneuverability/flexibility and less drama (currently) than the Cavs

Especially if George becomes a viable option.

--Mags

I keep seeing people throwing out the same reasons why the Lakers are the place to go for him, and just wonder Why Not the Clippers?

-Still in LA (Same building, same market)
-Already have some good players
-Yet another chance to take a team that has won nothing and get them their 1st title (Unlike winning the Lakers their 17th)

Doc Rivers.

He's besties with CP3, so word has definitely gotten back to King James on how the relationship dynamic worked there, and until Doc is fired I doubt you'll see Lebron entertain the Clippers.

Also, if/when they move it won't be the same LA building Clippers anymore.

Then finally, the Kobe/MJ legacy thing I aforementioned. He wont be in Chicago, so the Lakers are his next best bet to try and finally knock it off.

But, depending on what happens with Melo, Houston is still a viable option going forward. Paul George situation also plays a factor here too.

So many things can tip it one way or the other.

--Mags

[clyde21]

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[MartinToVaught]

This is coming from Peter Vecsey... need I say more? And even Vecsey himself admits that there is no real way for us to get a trade done with the Cavs because we don't have the type of assets they want. And that part isn't news - it was already widely reported a while ago. It's a non-story.

[Benedict_Boozer]

Kyrie would be the man on the Clips, and it's LA, not surprised he wants to go there.

[MartinToVaught]

Doc Rivers.

He's besties with CP3, so word has definitely gotten back to King James on how the relationship dynamic worked there, and until Doc is fired I doubt you'll see Lebron entertain the Clippers.

If LeBron wants Doc fired, Doc will be fired. Ballmer has already proven that his mancrush on Doc is over by demoting him from the front office. He won't let a coach (especially one as overrated as Doc is) get in the way of signing the best player in the world, if that's what it comes down to.

[MartinToVaught]

Kyrie would be the man on the Clips, and it's LA, not surprised he wants to go there.

No he wouldn't. Blake would still be the man. He's a much better player than Kyrie, he's the star we drafted and developed, and he's the face of the franchise.

[Dupp]

Kyrie would be the man on the Clips, and it's LA, not surprised he wants to go there.

No he wouldn't. Blake would still be the man. He's a much better player than Kyrie, he's the star we drafted and developed, and he's the face of the franchise.

Word. He's a good fit with Blake though. At least in theory given blakes playmaking ability

[LLcoleJ]

Doc Rivers.

He's besties with CP3, so word has definitely gotten back to King James on how the relationship dynamic worked there, and until Doc is fired I doubt you'll see Lebron entertain the Clippers.

If LeBron wants Doc fired, Doc will be fired. Ballmer has already proven that his mancrush on Doc is over by demoting him from the front office. He won't let a coach (especially one as overrated as Doc is) get in the way of signing the best player in the world, if that's what it comes down to.

You are right about that. However, he will let the Salary Cap get in the way of singing the the best player in the world.

[MartinToVaught]

Kyrie would be the man on the Clips, and it's LA, not surprised he wants to go there.

No he wouldn't. Blake would still be the man. He's a much better player than Kyrie, he's the star we drafted and developed, and he's the face of the franchise.

Word. He's a good fit with Blake though. At least in theory given blakes playmaking ability

Couldn't disagree more. It would be the same issue as with CP3: Kyrie would dominate the ball at all times, which means we can't unleash Point Blake and utilize his full skillset. Except it would be worse, because Kyrie isn't as good as CP3. I think our current roster is a much better fit for Blake's talents than a hypothetical roster with Kyrie on it.

[Dupp]

No he wouldn't. Blake would still be the man. He's a much better player than Kyrie, he's the star we drafted and developed, and he's the face of the franchise.

Word. He's a good fit with Blake though. At least in theory given blakes playmaking ability

Couldn't disagree more. It would be the same issue as with CP3: Kyrie would dominate the ball at all times, which means we can't unleash Point Blake and utilize his full skillset. Except it would be worse, because Kyrie isn't as good as CP3. I think our current roster is a much better fit for Blake's talents than a hypothetical roster with Kyrie on it.

I guess I mean Blake fits Kyrie but maybe not the other way around.

Don't worry about what usage says Kyrie doesn't dominate the ball anything like cp3. We were able to have Lebron be the primary playmaker while Kyrie still got to play his game. So I don't see why the offense couldn't run through Blake mostly like it did with bron.


Unless of course this irks Kyrie and he thinks he can run a teams offense and that's why he's leaving. He'll soon find out he's wrong.