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DaleyBlind wrote:Saberestar wrote:
Conveniently leaves out his 3pt shooting and defensive stats
LukasBMW wrote:DaleyBlind wrote:Saberestar wrote:
Conveniently leaves out his 3pt shooting and defensive stats
The 3 pointer is in his range and I think he will drain them this season.
Mannnnn...some of y'all still sleeping on TJ!!!
He's our best player when healthy. Booker hasn't passed him yet. YET.
DaleyBlind wrote:LukasBMW wrote:DaleyBlind wrote:
Conveniently leaves out his 3pt shooting and defensive stats
The 3 pointer is in his range and I think he will drain them this season.
Mannnnn...some of y'all still sleeping on TJ!!!
He's our best player when healthy. Booker hasn't passed him yet. YET.
Disagree. Booker and Bledsoe are both better than Warren.
bigfoot wrote:DaleyBlind wrote:LukasBMW wrote:
The 3 pointer is in his range and I think he will drain them this season.
Mannnnn...some of y'all still sleeping on TJ!!!
He's our best player when healthy. Booker hasn't passed him yet. YET.
Disagree. Booker and Bledsoe are both better than Warren.
Bledsoe is better but Booker is not.
TJ and Booker have nearly the same true shooting percentage. TJ rebounds way better while Booker is better at assists. TJ is head and shoulders above Booker on defense. His numbers were off the charts at the beginning and ending of the season. The mysterious head injury really impacted his stats last year. I imagine this year, TJ will put it all together for an outstanding season. Guessing 18+ points, 8 rebounds, and close to .400 three point shooting. He will be starting in front of Jackson at SF or will be our starting PF.
DaleyBlind wrote:bigfoot wrote:DaleyBlind wrote:
Disagree. Booker and Bledsoe are both better than Warren.
Bledsoe is better but Booker is not.
TJ and Booker have nearly the same true shooting percentage. TJ rebounds way better while Booker is better at assists. TJ is head and shoulders above Booker on defense. His numbers were off the charts at the beginning and ending of the season. The mysterious head injury really impacted his stats last year. I imagine this year, TJ will put it all together for an outstanding season. Guessing 18+ points, 8 rebounds, and close to .400 three point shooting. He will be starting in front of Jackson at SF or will be our starting PF.
There both terrible on defense, dont think its fair or accurate to say Warren is head and shoulders above Booker. Warren DRPM -2.44. Booker -2.58. They are both horrible defenders.
Comparing rebounding numbers to a SG just seems trivial to me, but yeah Warren grabs 2 more boards a game as a SF who also plays the 4 spot on occasion.
As for the stat projection, I can see him averaging 18pts - but 8 boards and 40% 3pt shooting seems unlikely IMO.
Warren really needs to improve his 3pt shot - its whats holding back from being a really good offensive player.
bigfoot wrote:DaleyBlind wrote:bigfoot wrote:
Bledsoe is better but Booker is not.
TJ and Booker have nearly the same true shooting percentage. TJ rebounds way better while Booker is better at assists. TJ is head and shoulders above Booker on defense. His numbers were off the charts at the beginning and ending of the season. The mysterious head injury really impacted his stats last year. I imagine this year, TJ will put it all together for an outstanding season. Guessing 18+ points, 8 rebounds, and close to .400 three point shooting. He will be starting in front of Jackson at SF or will be our starting PF.
There both terrible on defense, dont think its fair or accurate to say Warren is head and shoulders above Booker. Warren DRPM -2.44. Booker -2.58. They are both horrible defenders.
Comparing rebounding numbers to a SG just seems trivial to me, but yeah Warren grabs 2 more boards a game as a SF who also plays the 4 spot on occasion.
As for the stat projection, I can see him averaging 18pts - but 8 boards and 40% 3pt shooting seems unlikely IMO.
Warren really needs to improve his 3pt shot - its whats holding back from being a really good offensive player.
Well he averaged 40% his sophomore season and at the end of last season. He was putting up 18 and 8 over the last 6 weeks too. So he is capable of hitting those numbers. Also, RPM is a suspect stat much like PER. Plenty of articles written about it. Other advanced stat sites show Booker is both worse offensively and defensively than Warren. For example Warren is 10 points better on offense per 100 possessions than Booker and he is three points better on defense.
Point is ... people are sleeping on TJ. He is a very good player and has a really good chance to have a breakout year this season. He is young and right now is as good as Booker. People just need to have a bit more critical eye with Book.
bigfoot wrote:DaleyBlind wrote:bigfoot wrote:
Bledsoe is better but Booker is not.
TJ and Booker have nearly the same true shooting percentage. TJ rebounds way better while Booker is better at assists. TJ is head and shoulders above Booker on defense. His numbers were off the charts at the beginning and ending of the season. The mysterious head injury really impacted his stats last year. I imagine this year, TJ will put it all together for an outstanding season. Guessing 18+ points, 8 rebounds, and close to .400 three point shooting. He will be starting in front of Jackson at SF or will be our starting PF.
There both terrible on defense, dont think its fair or accurate to say Warren is head and shoulders above Booker. Warren DRPM -2.44. Booker -2.58. They are both horrible defenders.
Comparing rebounding numbers to a SG just seems trivial to me, but yeah Warren grabs 2 more boards a game as a SF who also plays the 4 spot on occasion.
As for the stat projection, I can see him averaging 18pts - but 8 boards and 40% 3pt shooting seems unlikely IMO.
Warren really needs to improve his 3pt shot - its whats holding back from being a really good offensive player.
Well he averaged 40% his sophomore season and at the end of last season. He was putting up 18 and 8 over the last 6 weeks too. So he is capable of hitting those numbers. Also, RPM is a suspect stat much like PER. Plenty of articles written about it. Other advanced stat sites show Booker is both worse offensively and defensively than Warren. For example Warren is 10 points better on offense per 100 possessions than Booker and he is three points better on defense.
Point is ... people are sleeping on TJ. He is a very good player and has a really good chance to have a breakout year this season. He is young and right now is as good as Booker. People just need to have a bit more critical eye with Book.
NavLDO wrote:bigfoot wrote:DaleyBlind wrote:
There both terrible on defense, dont think its fair or accurate to say Warren is head and shoulders above Booker. Warren DRPM -2.44. Booker -2.58. They are both horrible defenders.
Comparing rebounding numbers to a SG just seems trivial to me, but yeah Warren grabs 2 more boards a game as a SF who also plays the 4 spot on occasion.
As for the stat projection, I can see him averaging 18pts - but 8 boards and 40% 3pt shooting seems unlikely IMO.
Warren really needs to improve his 3pt shot - its whats holding back from being a really good offensive player.
Well he averaged 40% his sophomore season and at the end of last season. He was putting up 18 and 8 over the last 6 weeks too. So he is capable of hitting those numbers. Also, RPM is a suspect stat much like PER. Plenty of articles written about it. Other advanced stat sites show Booker is both worse offensively and defensively than Warren. For example Warren is 10 points better on offense per 100 possessions than Booker and he is three points better on defense.
Point is ... people are sleeping on TJ. He is a very good player and has a really good chance to have a breakout year this season. He is young and right now is as good as Booker. People just need to have a bit more critical eye with Book.
Agreed. I posted a long,convoluted post in the FA thread about how good Warren is, and how his advanced stats measured up against other top players in the league; the fact is Warren is the better Basketball Player at this point. Neither player is good defensively, but if coached up, Warren at least has the body to be, and likely, the mindset. Obviously, Booker is more explosive offensively, and more versatile with his range, but Warren has shown he can find a hole in almost any defense. In today's NBA, the 3-Ball is more valuable, but tome, personally, I'd rather have the guy who can get two in just about any D put in front of him.
But what I like even more is that we can even have this debate--that the 2 are close enough, in the 'eye of the beholder', as it were, to argue who is better. And now we have Jackson coming up, and hopefully Bender, and either Chriss or Irving...that's a lot to work with. The problem is, let's say we don't get Irving, and recognizing there are 30 teams in the league, this season, I feel we have two players ranked in that 30-60 range, one in the 60-90, and two in the 90-150 range (You pick where the 5 are--Bledsoe, Booker, Warren, Chandler, and Chriss). Then we have Bender, Jackson, and possibly Ulis, Reed, Sauce, or even Jones Jr. who could break out. I believe by end of next season though, team as is (no trades--**HOMER ALERT**), our players will be loosely 'regarded as' such:
Bledsoe, Booker and Warren - Top 50 (unless you ask SI--see below)
Chriss, Bender, Jackson - Top 100
Chandler, Dudley, Sauce - Top 150
Ulis, Reed, Jones Jr., etc. - NR - Not enough Playing Time
So, fun fact, open the link and loot at the comparisons...
http://bkref.com/tiny/9WXDB
then, look below at where they each were ranked on SI's top 100...
Jabari Parker - (Prob not ranked due to Injuries/on 50 GP)
Jae Crowder -#53
Aaron Gordon - #99
Rodney Hood - #85
Andrew Wiggins - #67
Warren, you ask??? -- #NR
So Parker leads all in PER, by quite a bit, was 2nd in VORP, etc., etc., and...
...then Warren can compare favorably to all these players in all of these categories...EXCEPT 3PT shooting...that is the ONLY category he doesn't fare well in. He leads them all in FG%, STLs, BLKs, and TOVs, and is 2nd or 3rd in quite a few other categories
yet he's NR? I know, I know...every teams' fans think their players are dissed, but wow...Warren is simply a lot better than many give him credit for...
So, I'll end this asking you all to ponder a multi-part question...
If Warren is supposed to be so terrible at defense, then why does he lead this group in STLs and BLKs--be it perGM, per36, per100 poss, or BLK/STL %s? And why are these two items NOT figured into defense...I can only assume it's not due to his 113 DRtg? Are these actions not taking place when the opponent has the ball,and aren't these pretty significant actions? Because if they are being figured into rating a player's defensive prowess somewhere, wouldn't it make sense to have these count for more?? IDK...
PackSuns wrote:#NCStateSpoiler:
Frank Lee wrote:TJ is a player you wished you would have kept after he is gone. If his two main drawbacks are his 3pt% and defense, well, those are deficiencies that can be easily improved, especially the shooting. The rest of his game shows mad skill and determination to be better. On a team like this, where there are few players know how to play, you can't go wrong by keeping him... the only thing you need to worry about is over paying. His court time is productive regardless.
Golanator wrote:kennydorglas wrote:4/50M for Warren
WOW McD
Just awesome value. I love it.
