All Things Luka Doncic

[SportsGuy8]

Even if they do bring someone significant (unlikely, though, as there aren't many players left unsigned), that player's role isn't going to be anywhere near Llull's ... Doncic's role, involvement and responsibilities are going to be substantially increased either way.

[GimmeDat]

Terrible news for Llull, but being able to see Doncic in a larger role is a silver lining for scouts. Should really make or break his top prospect reputation (still undoubtedly in that top 5 group, but whether he is a #1 or #2 pick quality guy).

[Bob8]

Terrible news for Llull, but being able to see Doncic in a larger role is a silver lining for scouts. Should really make or break his top prospect reputation (still undoubtedly in that top 5 group, but whether he is a #1 or #2 pick quality guy).

They will try to sign Wanamaker. I like Doncic a lot, but it's totally unrealistic to have 18 year old kid running your offense if you're title contender in Euroleague. And he for sure can't play 25+ minutes as a main player for 85 games. Physically and psychologically it's too big burden.

[Mirotic12]

The reports are that they want either Brad Wanamaker or Jayson Granger, and most likely it will be Jayson Granger, as Wanamaker supposedly is close to sign with Fener.

I would think that Granger gets Draper's role, only he plays more minutes than Draper did, probably about 20 minutes a game. And Campazzo probably will just take over Llull's role.

They also added Causeur, who could play 2/3, so that will probably take some minutes away from Doncic. All in all, I don't think this really increases Doncic's role or playing time much. Campazzo probably just takes over Llull's role, and you generally don't sign a player like Granger, unless he's getting at least 18-20 minutes a game.

[XTraderXL]

The reports are that they want either Brad Wanamaker or Jayson Granger, and most likely it will be Jayson Granger, as Wanamaker supposedly is close to sign with Fener.

I would think that Granger gets Draper's role, only he plays more minutes than Draper did, probably about 20 minutes a game. And Campazzo probably will just take over Llull's role.

They also added Causeur, who could play 2/3, so that will probably take some minutes away from Doncic. All in all, I don't think this really increases Doncic's role or playing time much. Campazzo probably just takes over Llull's role, and you generally don't sign a player like Granger, unless he's getting at least 18-20 minutes a game.

Even if all those guys are getting the minutes, nobody will be close to the offensive role that Llull had/has. I think this is where Doncic will be the one who will benefit the most. He looks more aggressive in the NT, stronger, faster and more explosive. He clearly improved during the summer and giving him the same or even smaller role this year would be just idiotic. He will get more minutes this year and also bigger role, I am 100% convinced of that. I predict he will be the most valuable player of Real at least in the regular season, of course if my minutes and role predictions are correct.

[Juree93]

The reports are that they want either Brad Wanamaker or Jayson Granger, and most likely it will be Jayson Granger, as Wanamaker supposedly is close to sign with Fener.

I would think that Granger gets Draper's role, only he plays more minutes than Draper did, probably about 20 minutes a game. And Campazzo probably will just take over Llull's role.

They also added Causeur, who could play 2/3, so that will probably take some minutes away from Doncic. All in all, I don't think this really increases Doncic's role or playing time much. Campazzo probably just takes over Llull's role, and you generally don't sign a player like Granger, unless he's getting at least 18-20 minutes a game.

where are you getting your Campazzo information? i cant find it anywhere.

http://www.realmadrid.com/en/basketball/team

[SportsGuy8]

The reports are that they want either Brad Wanamaker or Jayson Granger, and most likely it will be Jayson Granger, as Wanamaker supposedly is close to sign with Fener.

I would think that Granger gets Draper's role, only he plays more minutes than Draper did, probably about 20 minutes a game. And Campazzo probably will just take over Llull's role.

They also added Causeur, who could play 2/3, so that will probably take some minutes away from Doncic. All in all, I don't think this really increases Doncic's role or playing time much. Campazzo probably just takes over Llull's role, and you generally don't sign a player like Granger, unless he's getting at least 18-20 minutes a game.

Even if all those guys are getting the minutes, nobody will be close to the offensive role that Llull had/has. I think this is where Doncic will be the one who will benefit the most. He looks more aggressive in the NT, stronger, faster and more explosive. He clearly improved during the summer and giving him the same or even smaller role this year would be just idiotic. He will get more minutes this year and also bigger role, I am 100% convinced of that. I predict he will be the most valuable player of Real at least in the regular season, of course if my minutes and role predictions are correct.

And then there's the psychological aspect. Not only is Llull one of the best players in Europe, he's also the face of the team, so there's natural hierarchy, something that a teenager simply has to respect. Doncic is now going to be more likely to take over the responsibilities compared to when Llull was on the floor. We've already seen it this past season when Llull either had a bad game and/or was on the bench.

[burek3]

New hype article from Sports Illustrated:

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/10/luka-doncic-nba-draft-slovenia-real-madrid-eurobasket

[UcanUwill]

when is the next Slovenia game?

[soulzen]

when is the next Slovenia game?

Tomorrow against Croatia and on sunday against Ukraine.

[UcanUwill]

when is the next Slovenia game?

Tomorrow against Croatia and on sunday against Ukraine.

Could you or someone else post a notification here, like an hour before the game tomorrow? Would appreciate it, really want to see Doncic and Slovenija.

[Bobalob]

How ironic that they just aired a special on Darko Milicic...

The problem with projecting Euro players is the scouts all use the same type of compliment: 'He's been playing against grown men since 14"...

WHO CARES!!!

They said the same about Darko, said the same about Rubio. That absolutely has no bearing on the player he will be.

Its a crapshoot until you can at east see him vs the talent and quality level he will eventually play against. Projecting ALL players is a crapshoot, but Euro's is even more. Espeically if he's not a big. How many perimeter Euro's have merited #1 pick status. Not just recently but EVER!?

Not seeing it with this guy

[soulzen]

when is the next Slovenia game?

Tomorrow against Croatia and on sunday against Ukraine.

Could you or someone else post a notification here, like an hour before the game tomorrow? Would appreciate it, really want to see Doncic and Slovenija.

Both games start at 18.00 CEST, but I'm not sure if there will be any streams, maybe someone could search for one and post it here.

[soulzen]

How ironic that they just aired a special on Darko Milicic...

The problem with projecting Euro players is the scouts all use the same type of compliment: 'He's been playing against grown men since 14"...

WHO CARES!!!

They said the same about Darko, said the same about Rubio. That absolutely has no bearing on the player he will be.

Its a crapshoot until you can at east see him vs the talent and quality level he will eventually play against. Projecting ALL players is a crapshoot, but Euro's is even more. Espeically if he's not a big. How many perimeter Euro's have merited #1 pick status. Not just recently but EVER!?

Not seeing it with this guy

Why do you even bother commenting on a forum about prospects if projecting seems stupid to you? At least bring up a valid argument about him, but contributing something to this subject was not your goal in the first place, it seems like you went out of your way to show you are clearly bothered by a hyped European player and bringing up Darko that has absolutely nothing to do with Doncic proves it. It's kinda sad how the best players and prospects in the world are always college/US players, yet Americans don't shy away from riding their high horse and be biased against European players.

There's plenty of great genuiene arguments about his weaknessses here, but maybe that was your best shot at objectively evaluating a basketball player in which case I'm sorry since we get plenty of those in youtube and facebook comment sections.

[UcanUwill]

How ironic that they just aired a special on Darko Milicic...

The problem with projecting Euro players is the scouts all use the same type of compliment: 'He's been playing against grown men since 14"...

WHO CARES!!!

They said the same about Darko, said the same about Rubio. That absolutely has no bearing on the player he will be.

Its a crapshoot until you can at east see him vs the talent and quality level he will eventually play against. Projecting ALL players is a crapshoot, but Euro's is even more. Espeically if he's not a big. How many perimeter Euro's have merited #1 pick status. Not just recently but EVER!?

Not seeing it with this guy

If you think the fact they been playing against men is the main selling point for Euros, you are not very educated about the subject at all. How is Darko at all comparable to Doncic? Darko impressed everyone with his workouts anyway, he wasn't even dominant at junior levels prior to being drafted. Just a terrible post all around.

[Bobalob]

How ironic that they just aired a special on Darko Milicic...

The problem with projecting Euro players is the scouts all use the same type of compliment: 'He's been playing against grown men since 14"...

WHO CARES!!!

They said the same about Darko, said the same about Rubio. That absolutely has no bearing on the player he will be.

Its a crapshoot until you can at east see him vs the talent and quality level he will eventually play against. Projecting ALL players is a crapshoot, but Euro's is even more. Espeically if he's not a big. How many perimeter Euro's have merited #1 pick status. Not just recently but EVER!?

Not seeing it with this guy

Why do you even bother commenting on a forum about prospects if projecting seems stupid to you? At least bring up a valid argument about him, but contributing something to this subject was not your goal in the first place, it seems like you went out of your way to show you are clearly bothered by a hyped European player and bringing up Darko that has absolutely nothing to do with Doncic proves it. It's kinda sad how the best players and prospects in the world are always college/US players, yet Americans don't shy away from riding their high horse and be biased against European players.

There's plenty of great genuiene arguments about his weaknessses here, but maybe that was your best shot at objectively evaluating a basketball player in which case I'm sorry since we get plenty of those in youtube and facebook comment sections.

Oh no, no no, i very well am projecting. And i am basing my projection on 20-30 years of data. And i asked a very genuine and valid question to which i'd love to hear an answer:

How many perimeter-based European #1 picks, stars, etc have we EVER seen!?!?!

Ginobli (technically doesnt even count, he's South american but played euro), Petrovic, Tony Parker....who else!? (and none of those guys would be #1 picks even in a re-draft but thats beside the point)

There's plenty of great Euro bigs and hall of famers. But there are less than a handful of guards or small forwards.

So this isnt some left field hatred, its a very specific and exact point im making. In order for Doncic to live up to the hype he'd literally have to be the best Euro g/f we've ever seen Nah. I'll pass. He's much more likely to be Rudy Fernandez

[XTraderXL]

So your opinion on Doncic is based on what exactly? You just said that he would have to be one of the top 3 Euro G/F which you dont think he will be. But why is that? You offered no explanation for that. Just because there are not a lot of elite Euros at that position, it doesnt mean Doncic cant get there. After all, at 18 he is playing EL without a problem, taking over games from time to time and none of the mentioned guys did that at that age. So once again, why do you think he will not be a star in the NBA? Give me concrete reasons, otherwise your posts have no substance at all.

And comparing Milicic to Doncic tells me you really dont know anything about those two guys and how different they are.

[soulzen]

How ironic that they just aired a special on Darko Milicic...

The problem with projecting Euro players is the scouts all use the same type of compliment: 'He's been playing against grown men since 14"...

WHO CARES!!!

They said the same about Darko, said the same about Rubio. That absolutely has no bearing on the player he will be.

Its a crapshoot until you can at east see him vs the talent and quality level he will eventually play against. Projecting ALL players is a crapshoot, but Euro's is even more. Espeically if he's not a big. How many perimeter Euro's have merited #1 pick status. Not just recently but EVER!?

Not seeing it with this guy

Why do you even bother commenting on a forum about prospects if projecting seems stupid to you? At least bring up a valid argument about him, but contributing something to this subject was not your goal in the first place, it seems like you went out of your way to show you are clearly bothered by a hyped European player and bringing up Darko that has absolutely nothing to do with Doncic proves it. It's kinda sad how the best players and prospects in the world are always college/US players, yet Americans don't shy away from riding their high horse and be biased against European players.

There's plenty of great genuiene arguments about his weaknessses here, but maybe that was your best shot at objectively evaluating a basketball player in which case I'm sorry since we get plenty of those in youtube and facebook comment sections.

Oh no, no no, i very well am projecting. And i am basing my projection on 20-30 years of data. And i asked a very genuine and valid question to which i'd love to hear an answer:

How many perimeter-based European #1 picks, stars, etc have we EVER seen!?!?!

Ginobli (technically doesnt even count, he's South american but played euro), Petrovic, Tony Parker....who else!? (and none of those guys would be #1 picks even in a re-draft but thats beside the point)

There's plenty of great Euro bigs and hall of famers. But there are less than a handful of guards or small forwards.

So this isnt some left field hatred, its a very specific and exact point im making. In order for Doncic to live up to the hype he'd literally have to be the best Euro g/f we've ever seen Nah. I'll pass. He's much more likely to be Rudy Fernandez

So you are basing you projection on a very small sample size of players from two decades or more ago that have absolutely nothing to do with Doncic? We are not projecting Doncic's upside based on previous European players, is Doncic a reincarnation of those players? Last time I checked NBA teams are evaluating every single playing based on their weaknesses/strengths and nothing else. It genuienly blows my mind when you have plenty of arguments on why Doncic sholdn't be n.1 pick and you use the most lazy and blend argument you can come up with. Seriously every time there is even a slightly hyped European prospect people climb out of their caves using that same argument, it doesn't even matter if they end up wrong because they will use it again and again so they can say "I told you so" when a prospects doesn't live up to the hype and they can feel good about themselves.

I mean maybe it was Doncic's fault that Darko had a **** attitude and work ethics, oh and don't forget about Rubio not learning how to shoot since coming to the NBA, oh and that huge ego and lack of basic basketball fundamentals that Hezonja was drafted with. You can quickly tell how someone is clearly biased when they bring up European busts thinking it means something or in any way tells us how future prospects will turn out. There is a lot of extreme Doncic fans out there thinking he is perfect, but then there is plenty of people who go to the other extreme because they are annoyed by the hype and put no effort in hiding it, using the most lazy argument they can come up with. Think very hard in what group you belong to, I'm done here, stuff like this forced moderators to close the previous topic on Luka.

[UcanUwill]

Yeah, and before Yao, all Chinese sucked, so Yao must suck too as well. All you guys who thought Yao was any good, I have to break it to you, its impossible that Yao can be good. Air tight logic.

[Bobalob]

Why do you even bother commenting on a forum about prospects if projecting seems stupid to you? At least bring up a valid argument about him, but contributing something to this subject was not your goal in the first place, it seems like you went out of your way to show you are clearly bothered by a hyped European player and bringing up Darko that has absolutely nothing to do with Doncic proves it. It's kinda sad how the best players and prospects in the world are always college/US players, yet Americans don't shy away from riding their high horse and be biased against European players.

There's plenty of great genuiene arguments about his weaknessses here, but maybe that was your best shot at objectively evaluating a basketball player in which case I'm sorry since we get plenty of those in youtube and facebook comment sections.

Oh no, no no, i very well am projecting. And i am basing my projection on 20-30 years of data. And i asked a very genuine and valid question to which i'd love to hear an answer:

How many perimeter-based European #1 picks, stars, etc have we EVER seen!?!?!

Ginobli (technically doesnt even count, he's South american but played euro), Petrovic, Tony Parker....who else!? (and none of those guys would be #1 picks even in a re-draft but thats beside the point)

There's plenty of great Euro bigs and hall of famers. But there are less than a handful of guards or small forwards.

So this isnt some left field hatred, its a very specific and exact point im making. In order for Doncic to live up to the hype he'd literally have to be the best Euro g/f we've ever seen Nah. I'll pass. He's much more likely to be Rudy Fernandez

So you are basing you projection on a very small sample size of players from two decades or more ago that have absolutely nothing to do with Doncic? We are not projecting Doncic's upside based on previous European players, is Doncic a reincarnation of those players? Last time I checked NBA teams are evaluating every single playing based on their weaknesses/strengths and nothing else. It genuienly blows my mind when you have plenty of arguments on why Doncic sholdn't be n.1 pick and you use the most lazy and blend argument you can come up with. Seriously every time there is even a slightly hyped European prospect people climb out of their caves using that same argument, it doesn't even matter if they end up wrong because they will use it again and again so they can say "I told you so" when a prospects doesn't live up to the hype and they can feel good about themselves.

I mean maybe it was Doncic's fault that Darko had a **** attitude and work ethics, oh and don't forget about Rubio not learning how to shoot since coming to the NBA, oh and that huge ego and lack of basic basketball fundamentals that Hezonja was drafted with. You can quickly tell how someone is clearly biased when they bring up European busts thinking it means something or in any way tells us how future prospects will turn out. There is a lot of extreme Doncic fans out there thinking he is perfect, but then there is plenty of people who go to the other extreme because they are annoyed by the hype and put no effort in hiding it, using the most lazy argument they can come up with. Think very hard in what group you belong to, I'm done here, stuff like this forced moderators to close the previous topic on Luka.

20 years is a small sample size? Allllrighty