Knicks/Rockets/Magic trade proposal

[Knightro]

I'm a huge Ryan Anderson fan, but I'd need to either A. send out Biyombo or B. get multiple 1st round picks back to take on that contract.

[Max Power]

I don't like this deal for Orlando at all. It's essentially we trade our best player for a declining pf (I loved Ryno but at this stage of his career being in Orlando makes no sense.) and a bunch of worthless picks. A trading of Bizmack makes much more sense for the Magic. If your trading Vucevic, it's for a difference maker.


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[shadrock]

Anderson's longer and more expensive contract instead of Vucevic nice deal and a couple 2nd round picks =

Literally would prefer we gave up Vooch for nothing...

[ralphie9898]

Anderson's longer and more expensive contract instead of Vucevic nice deal and a couple 2nd round picks =

Yeah I agree. I have zero interest in getting Ryan Anderson's bloated contract. He doesn't do much for us expect maybe maybe us a little better, though I am not sure if he would. Even if he did it only makes us marginally better and further hurts our cap picture going forward. And there isn't close enough value in the other things that the first post has us getting to offset taking on anderson's bloated deal. It is likely that Randle and even more so those second round picks could be fringe roster guys or not even be in the league for long. So yeah I see no redeeming value in that trade and would probably hang up the phone on that one.

[ralphie9898]

I think i made this same proposal except Orlando would need more than some 2nd rounders.

Taking on Ryan Anderson = a 1st round pick from Houston, not a 2nd
Trading Vucevic should = more than a few 2nd rounders also
Why is Ariza involved. He has no value to NY. And his money isnt needed to make the trade work

His salary was need to make the deal work for Houston. A future first from Houston would be so far down the line that it wouldn't make sense. They already owe a first to the Clippers for CP3 and the Knicks will get a first for Melo. So it wouldn't make sense that Orlando get's a first.

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Then it doesn't make sense to take on a worse contract(which is one of the worst in the league). Ryan doesn't make us that much better and as another poster mention he would eat into Isaac's and Gordon's minutes which makes no sense either. Yeah Houston doesn't have another first to offer for a long time but even if they did offer us their first this year it still wouldn't make me want to do that deal. The pick is likely in the later 20s so it doesn't have a whole lot of value to where it makes much of a dent into the negative that taking on Ryan Anderson's bloated contract.

[ralphie9898]

Now that the "NO's" have it, it is interesting to contemplate how the Magic could help a trade for Anthony to Houston.

1) Orlando would need to be a net winner in the trade (or why be part of it???).
2) New York will be a major net loser.
3) Houston must trade either Ryan Anderson or Eric Gordon for any trade to financially work.
4) This might need to be a four-team trade.


The Magic can trade Biyombo and/or Fournier in the deal. The Magic really need to get back at least one 1st round draft pick. The Magic would get stuck absorbing Ryan Anderson or Eric Gordon, and Gordon is more of a fit (assuming Fournier is traded).


If the Magic traded out Fournier and got back Eric Gordon, a very far-off future Houston first (maximising its potential to be higher) and another future draft asset, this could be an interesting trade for the Magic.

yeah our aim should be to be the winner but it just has to be a fair trade. Yeah we are a serious loser in that trade proposed in the original trade and no way would I do that one. But will say that in a lot of trade talk I think people on here expect too much in return for someone like Vuc. Now yes as I said this trade isn't what I think is even close to fair value but I would say if we do see a trade I think some one here will be disappointed in the return. But yeah I agree that this return is not even what I would expect and I would be pissed if we did that one. I am not supporting the original trade proposal just saying that I think some people get over wishful in what we could get in a trade of Vuc.

[drsd]

Why trade Fournier at all for that matter? His contract, which get's plenty of burn here, really isn't that bad, especially if he returns to 2016 form. He's one of the few legitimate shooters, scorers, and starters on the team. I mean, move him by all means as part of a blockbuster package, but if we're not getting someone like Kyrie back in the deal, then why move him?

I am all for Fournier, at SG. I was making a hypothetical of what a "gain" would look like for the Magic.

Trading Fournier away to gain a SF asset, a future 1st, while absorbing a bad contract, is about as good as the Magic could hope for by being within the Houston/Knicks process.

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[PennytoShaq]

I got a better trade idea. Bizmark for Ryno.

That's not a better trade idea. It just shows how insane the Biz hate has gotten here. Ryno can't defend, so you cant hide him at C since he can not anchor a defense at all. He would have to play PF, which would take away minutes from AG and Isaac and Mario. The only thing he does well is shoot 3s. Biz has stone hands on offense, but he brings a lot more versatility to the defense and also sets some of the best screens in the NBA on offense.

Additionally, look at simple math. Ryno's contract is for 4 more years and it increases to 21 million. Biz is 17mm throughout.

So please tell us how that is a better trade for the Magic?

[BadMofoPimp]

I got a better trade idea. Bizmark for Ryno.

That's not a better trade idea. It just shows how insane the Biz hate has gotten here. Ryno can't defend, so you cant hide him at C since he can not anchor a defense at all. He would have to play PF, which would take away minutes from AG and Isaac and Mario. The only thing he does well is shoot 3s. Biz has stone hands on offense, but he brings a lot more versatility to the defense and also sets some of the best screens in the NBA on offense.

Additionally, look at simple math. Ryno's contract is for 4 more years and it increases to 21 million. Biz is 17mm throughout.

So please tell us how that is a better trade for the Magic?

Well, initially I said that to show how absurd the original trade Vooch idea was by someone who probably hates Vucevic. Then again, Ryno will probably earn more via his play on the court on his contract than Bizmark will on his. Not saying it is a better fit, just showing the absurdity of Vooch hate with Biz hate.

[PennytoShaq]

I got a better trade idea. Bizmark for Ryno.

That's not a better trade idea. It just shows how insane the Biz hate has gotten here. Ryno can't defend, so you cant hide him at C since he can not anchor a defense at all. He would have to play PF, which would take away minutes from AG and Isaac and Mario. The only thing he does well is shoot 3s. Biz has stone hands on offense, but he brings a lot more versatility to the defense and also sets some of the best screens in the NBA on offense.

Additionally, look at simple math. Ryno's contract is for 4 more years and it increases to 21 million. Biz is 17mm throughout.

So please tell us how that is a better trade for the Magic?

Well, initially I said that to show how absurd the original trade Vooch idea was by someone who probably hates Vucevic. Then again, Ryno will probably earn more via his play on the court on his contract than Bizmark will on his. Not saying it is a better fit, just showing the absurdity of Vooch hate with Biz hate.

I agree that I would not trade Vuc or Biz for Ryno. I do not agree that Ryan will earn that paycheck more than Biz. I want to see Biz one more season here and Ryno's deal keeps going up each year.

[BadMofoPimp]

That's not a better trade idea. It just shows how insane the Biz hate has gotten here. Ryno can't defend, so you cant hide him at C since he can not anchor a defense at all. He would have to play PF, which would take away minutes from AG and Isaac and Mario. The only thing he does well is shoot 3s. Biz has stone hands on offense, but he brings a lot more versatility to the defense and also sets some of the best screens in the NBA on offense.

Additionally, look at simple math. Ryno's contract is for 4 more years and it increases to 21 million. Biz is 17mm throughout.

So please tell us how that is a better trade for the Magic?

Well, initially I said that to show how absurd the original trade Vooch idea was by someone who probably hates Vucevic. Then again, Ryno will probably earn more via his play on the court on his contract than Bizmark will on his. Not saying it is a better fit, just showing the absurdity of Vooch hate with Biz hate.

I agree that I would not trade Vuc or Biz for Ryno. I do not agree that Ryan will earn that paycheck more than Biz. I want to see Biz one more season here and Ryno's deal keeps going up each year.

Will see. Ryno is a legit starter on many NBA teams while Bizmark is a legit backup for 6 years. He isn't going to improve much at this point as when he even gets 30 minutes in a game, he is the same player. Thus, a starter will earn his paycheck over a backup with these inflated salaries.

[The Other Ankle]

Well, initially I said that to show how absurd the original trade Vooch idea was by someone who probably hates Vucevic. Then again, Ryno will probably earn more via his play on the court on his contract than Bizmark will on his. Not saying it is a better fit, just showing the absurdity of Vooch hate with Biz hate.

I agree that I would not trade Vuc or Biz for Ryno. I do not agree that Ryan will earn that paycheck more than Biz. I want to see Biz one more season here and Ryno's deal keeps going up each year.

Will see. Ryno is a legit starter on many NBA teams while Bizmark is a legit backup for 6 years. He isn't going to improve much at this point as when he even gets 30 minutes in a game, he is the same player. Thus, a starter will earn his paycheck over a backup with these inflated salaries.

Let's say Birch is a beast or they determine that Isaac can play the 5. Then indeed, Ryan could provide more playing value for the money than Biz. But there doesn't seem like there is any remotely feasible place for Biz to go:

Houston can't take the money in trade over Melo's salary and New York has two young centers playing ahead of currently injured and suspended Noah on an even worse contract than Biz.

The only remotely fathomable possibility would be to find some team with a horrible contract at another position that could go to NY. They would either have to prefer Biz to their own albatross or be bribed with picks, players, and cash.

Have we talked this one to death now?

[amkyka1956]

The original trade proposal is absurd from a Magic viewpoint - we lose arguably our best big on a team favorable contract to attain a player with a contract as bad as Biz! Not to mention 3 useless 2nd round draft picks - all to appease a Vuc hater! Biz for Rino a definite maybe!

[bargnanimvp]

dumb deal

[Patrick1978]

Biyombo for portis

[ralphie9898]

Biyombo for portis

That won't work Biyombo makes far more money then Portis and thus Chicago would have to send out a lot more salary.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Why is it the mission of some "fans" to massively downgrade our center position?

Biyombo for portis

That won't work Biyombo makes far more money then Portis and thus Chicago would have to send out a lot more salary.

Not to mention Chicago would laugh us off the phone.

[mr2good]

Ok, we all agree this trade proposal is terrible so let's just let this thread sink to the bottom like a rock.

[pepe1991]

IN league where half of a teams don't even use center it's hard to trade 6'9 usless on offense Biyombo on 3 years, $17M per each -contract.