Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Kyrie and Channing Frye to the Knicks. Carmelo to the Rockets. Anderson and Ariza to the Cavaliers.

If you are leaving a team that you are irritated with why do you care what they get back in exchange for you?
Why would you want to weaken the team that you are going to.

If you felt disrespected then screw your old team. Kyrie probably overestimates his value and the degree to which he was disrespected but so what.

Carmelo has a no trade contract. carmelo does not have to do crap for the Knicks.


The Knicks and Cavs can bench Carmelo and Krie if they don't want them. If Kyrie is going to pout then playing Kyrie is like playing an injured player. Don't expect a good performance from an injured player.

On the other hand injury prone players should not expect good contracts in free agency and players that pout should not expect good contracts.

Tough luck for the Knicks, Carmelo the Cavs and Kyrie because they couldn't maximize their value. If LeBron was making Kyrie feel disrespected then the Cavs lost money by not figuring out how to handle the situation. if Kyrie was a spoiled baby then tough luck for the Cavs.

What is funny is Knicks fans and Cavs fans thinking that they should get full price for damaged goods. These guys don't have damaged bodies but they have damaged reputations. The Knicks don't think Carmelo fits in their future but Carmelo has a no trade contract. tough luck Knicks.

Kyrie doesn't want to play for the Cavs. The Cavs can play a guy who does not want to play for them which is a bit risky but might work out. The Cavs can try to bring in a professional communicator/ psychologist to try to fix their problems. we don't really know what Kyrie's problem is because nobody is really telling us what the problem is.

Or the Cavs can dump Kyri and take a loss in terms of talent.

[axeman23]

Kyrie and Channing Frye to the Knicks. Carmelo to the Rockets. Anderson and Ariza to the Cavaliers.

If you are leaving a team that you are irritated with why do you care what they get back in exchange for you?
Why would you want to weaken the team that you are going to.

If you felt disrespected then screw your old team. Kyrie probably overestimates his value and the degree to which he was disrespected but so what.

Carmelo has a no trade contract. carmelo does not have to do crap for the Knicks.


The Knicks and Cavs can bench Carmelo and Krie if they don't want them. If Kyrie is going to pout then playing Kyrie is like playing an injured player. Don't expect a good performance from an injured player.

On the other hand injury prone players should not expect good contracts in free agency and players that pout should not expect good contracts.

Tough luck for the Knicks, Carmelo the Cavs and Kyrie because they couldn't maximize their value. If LeBron was making Kyrie feel disrespected then the Cavs lost money by not figuring out how to handle the situation. if Kyrie was a spoiled baby then tough luck for the Cavs.

What is funny is Knicks fans and Cavs fans thinking that they should get full price for damaged goods. These guys don't have damaged bodies but they have damaged reputations. The Knicks don't think Carmelo fits in their future but Carmelo has a no trade contract. tough luck Knicks.

Kyrie doesn't want to play for the Cavs. The Cavs can play a guy who does not want to play for them which is a bit risky but might work out. The Cavs can try to bring in a professional communicator/ psychologist to try to fix their problems. we don't really know what Kyrie's problem is because nobody is really telling us what the problem is.

Or they Cavs can dump Kyri and take a loss in terms of talent.

See, that's the thing: You say good luck to the Cavs AND the Knicks getting good value for their disgruntled players, which as an argument has some merit. But then you propose a trade where the Knicks get a 25 year-old All-star guard that particularly kills it in the playoffs, and a $7 mill expiring, the Rockets get Melo, and only the Cavs get the flaming bag of poop. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind getting Ariza in a deal of some kind, but your suggested deal is awful value for the Cavs, and ONLY the Cavs, which is why the other guy laughed at your proposal.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Kyrie and Channing Frye to the Knicks. Carmelo to the Rockets. Anderson and Ariza to the Cavaliers.

If you are leaving a team that you are irritated with why do you care what they get back in exchange for you?
Why would you want to weaken the team that you are going to.

If you felt disrespected then screw your old team. Kyrie probably overestimates his value and the degree to which he was disrespected but so what.

Carmelo has a no trade contract. carmelo does not have to do crap for the Knicks.


The Knicks and Cavs can bench Carmelo and Krie if they don't want them. If Kyrie is going to pout then playing Kyrie is like playing an injured player. Don't expect a good performance from an injured player.

On the other hand injury prone players should not expect good contracts in free agency and players that pout should not expect good contracts.

Tough luck for the Knicks, Carmelo the Cavs and Kyrie because they couldn't maximize their value. If LeBron was making Kyrie feel disrespected then the Cavs lost money by not figuring out how to handle the situation. if Kyrie was a spoiled baby then tough luck for the Cavs.

What is funny is Knicks fans and Cavs fans thinking that they should get full price for damaged goods. These guys don't have damaged bodies but they have damaged reputations. The Knicks don't think Carmelo fits in their future but Carmelo has a no trade contract. tough luck Knicks.

Kyrie doesn't want to play for the Cavs. The Cavs can play a guy who does not want to play for them which is a bit risky but might work out. The Cavs can try to bring in a professional communicator/ psychologist to try to fix their problems. we don't really know what Kyrie's problem is because nobody is really telling us what the problem is.

Or they Cavs can dump Kyri and take a loss in terms of talent.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

If you are leaving a team that you are irritated with why do you care what they get back in exchange for you?
Why would you want to weaken the team that you are going to.

If you felt disrespected then screw your old team. Kyrie probably overestimates his value and the degree to which he was disrespected but so what.

Carmelo has a no trade contract. carmelo does not have to do crap for the Knicks.


The Knicks and Cavs can bench Carmelo and Krie if they don't want them. If Kyrie is going to pout then playing Kyrie is like playing an injured player. Don't expect a good performance from an injured player.

On the other hand injury prone players should not expect good contracts in free agency and players that pout should not expect good contracts.

Tough luck for the Knicks, Carmelo the Cavs and Kyrie because they couldn't maximize their value. If LeBron was making Kyrie feel disrespected then the Cavs lost money by not figuring out how to handle the situation. if Kyrie was a spoiled baby then tough luck for the Cavs.

What is funny is Knicks fans and Cavs fans thinking that they should get full price for damaged goods. These guys don't have damaged bodies but they have damaged reputations. The Knicks don't think Carmelo fits in their future but Carmelo has a no trade contract. tough luck Knicks.

Kyrie doesn't want to play for the Cavs. The Cavs can play a guy who does not want to play for them which is a bit risky but might work out. The Cavs can try to bring in a professional communicator/ psychologist to try to fix their problems. we don't really know what Kyrie's problem is because nobody is really telling us what the problem is.

Or they Cavs can dump Kyri and take a loss in terms of talent.

See, that's the thing: You say good luck to the Cavs AND the Knicks getting good value for their disgruntled players, which as an argument has some merit. But then you propose a trade where the Knicks get a 25 year-old All-star guard that particularly kills it in the playoffs, and a $7 mill expiring, the Rockets get Melo, and only the Cavs get the flaming bag of poop. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind getting Ariza in a deal of some kind, but your suggested deal is awful value for the Cavs, and ONLY the Cavs, which is why the other guy laughed at your proposal.

Give the Cavs some draft picks.
I know contenders want something now not draft picks.
I had to send Carmelo where he wants to go because he has a no trade contract. I had to make the salaries match.
So all right the Cavs reject the trade.

How do the Cav's get value for Kyrie? The Salary cap makes it very complicated. Teams have already retooled for the new season. This is late.

Cavs can go to plan B, hire a psychologist and try to keep Kyrie.

[Stillwater]

^^ Using the KI trade request as a way to facilitate a trade of Carmelo to Houston or KI to NY , is narrow thinking. At least with those returns.
Anderson? The stretch big Anderson? to a team with KLove on it? not likely,even if he wasn't overpaid which he is.
Houston would be the one's laughing if this deal ever went down, and NY would all pass out in shock. The Cavs owner would get lynched and the gm would get put in a hole somewhere, but you know what, the Cavs would still make the finals next season.
So lets do the deal, because there are not any teams in the league with enough assets besides NY and Houston to trade KI too.
Meanwhile the upside-down man at the Halloween party is lapping up beer from a dog bowl.

[og15]

Anderson could maybe, only maybe make sense if the Cavs didn't have Love, but with Love on the team that's a very useless trade.

[XPeak]

I actually like the Kyrie for DJ and Beverly proposal.

That will allow Cavs to have really strong centers in both the first and second unit. Beverly is the perfect backcourt partner to LeBron (shoots the 3, plays superior D). Rose will lead the bench.

It will be an underrated move that could really make them better. Not enough to still beat the Dubs though.

[ispitmoney]

I will start by saying this scenario is pending Melo waiving is no-trade clause. If he is willing, i think this trade works for all parties. It also works in ESPN Trade Checker.

NEW YORK TRADES:
Carmelo Anthony
Frank Ntilikina
Top 10 Protected 2018 First Round Pick (if not converted in 2018 then 2019/2020 top 10 protected; 2021 converts to 2 second round picks)

NEW YORK RECEIVES:
Kyrie Irving
Channing Frye

CLEVELAND TRADES:
Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert
Channing Frye

CLEVELAND RECEIVES:
Carmelo Anthony
Eric Bledsoe
Top 10 Protected Pick from Knicks

PHOENIX TRADES:
Eric Bledsoe

PHOENIX RECEIVES:
Iman Shumpert
Frank Ntilikina



Why for New York? -- New York is able to move on from Carmelo. They can begin the youth movement and pair Irving with Hardaway Jr, Porzingis, and WHG.
C: WHG, O'Quinn, Noah
PF: Porzingis
SF: C.Lee, Beasley
SG: Hardaway Jr., Randle
PG: Kyrie, Sessions, Baker

Why for Cleveland? -- This trade allows Cleveland to trade Kyrie while remaining a top tier team in the NBA. This may be enough to convince to LeBron to stay past this upcoming year. If everyone stays healthy, this team has a lot of weapons and is deep enough to compete with the Warriors and the other strong teams out West.
C: Thompson
PF: Melo, Love
SF: LeBron, J.Green
SG: JR Smith, Korver
PG: Bledsoe, Rose, Calderon

Why for Phoenix? -- Phoenix is able to get the #8 pick from the past draft. Phoenix will get their point guard of the future that fits the age range of their other top talent; Booker, Ulis, Chriss, Bender, Jackson.
C: Chandler
PF: Chriss, Bender
SF: J.Jackson, Warren
SG: Booker
PG: F.Ntilikina, Ulis

Any thoughts? Do you think it fair for each team? It would involve Melo waiving his no-trade clause as i mentioned.

[Stillwater]

^^ pretty sure the Cavs only interest in Melo would be if he were bought out, and the pick protections would have to be removed.

[RCM88x]

I actually like the Kyrie for DJ and Beverly proposal.

That will allow Cavs to have really strong centers in both the first and second unit. Beverly is the perfect backcourt partner to LeBron (shoots the 3, plays superior D). Rose will lead the bench.

It will be an underrated move that could really make them better. Not enough to still beat the Dubs though.

I agree, hopefully LAC would take Shumper as well to give the Cavs some cap relief. Maybe get Liggins back in return as well, he played really well with Lebron for the short time they let him start.

DJ and Bev are both exactly that the Cavs need, I think they'd both be great fits for this roster and really help the major holes defensively and actually give the Cavs a respectable big rotation.

[ispitmoney]

^^ pretty sure the Cavs only interest in Melo would be if he were bought out, and the pick protections would have to be removed.

That is big return for the Cavs.

Bledsoe, Melo, and a #1 protected pick for a player who no longer wants to be there. That team competes next year easily. Just looked how loaded the team's rotation is.

C: Thompson
PF: Melo
SF: LeBron
SG: JR Smith
PG: Bledsoe

Rotation off the bench. --> Love, Rose, Korver, J.Green.

[Nazrmohamed]

I will start by saying this scenario is pending Melo waiving is no-trade clause. If he is willing, i think this trade works for all parties. It also works in ESPN Trade Checker.

NEW YORK TRADES:
Carmelo Anthony
Frank Ntilikina
Top 10 Protected 2018 First Round Pick (if not converted in 2018 then 2019/2020 top 10 protected; 2021 converts to 2 second round picks)

NEW YORK RECEIVES:
Kyrie Irving
Channing Frye

CLEVELAND TRADES:
Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert
Channing Frye

CLEVELAND RECEIVES:
Carmelo Anthony
Eric Bledsoe
Top 10 Protected Pick from Knicks

PHOENIX TRADES:
Eric Bledsoe

PHOENIX RECEIVES:
Iman Shumpert
Frank Ntilikina



Why for New York? -- New York is able to move on from Carmelo. They can begin the youth movement and pair Irving with Hardaway Jr, Porzingis, and WHG.
C: WHG, O'Quinn, Noah
PF: Porzingis
SF: C.Lee, Beasley
SG: Hardaway Jr., Randle
PG: Kyrie, Sessions, Baker

Why for Cleveland? -- This trade allows Cleveland to trade Kyrie while remaining a top tier team in the NBA. This may be enough to convince to LeBron to stay past this upcoming year. If everyone stays healthy, this team has a lot of weapons and is deep enough to compete with the Warriors and the other strong teams out West.
C: Thompson
PF: Melo, Love
SF: LeBron, J.Green
SG: JR Smith, Korver
PG: Bledsoe, Rose, Calderon

Why for Phoenix? -- Phoenix is able to get the #8 pick from the past draft. Phoenix will get their point guard of the future that fits the age range of their other top talent; Booker, Ulis, Chriss, Bender, Jackson.
C: Chandler
PF: Chriss, Bender
SF: J.Jackson, Warren
SG: Booker
PG: F.Ntilikina, Ulis

Any thoughts? Do you think it fair for each team? It would involve Melo waiving his no-trade clause as i mentioned.

Remove Frank Ntilikina. Knicks removes any pick protections and you have yourself a deal.

I think I have less issue with the notion that Cleveland gets our draft pick no matter how good it ends up than I do with giving up Frank and any draft pick. I wouldn't tie up a deal however cuz Im betting for us to land in the top 10 and have buyers remorse. If we land the 5th pick in the draft and it belongs to Cleveland, so be it. I got Kyrie in the end. Where I hate deals like yours is why do you get the player I just picked in the lottery as well as a future pick? So essentially what we've done here is watch the Knicks give up two top 10 picks.

Nah, just take your win now player and one single piece of our future. The end. Its not like we're adding two lottery picks to some waiver worthy expiring here. Carmelo just nearly averaged 22/6/3 and he's going to play with one of his best friends

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

I will start by saying this scenario is pending Melo waiving is no-trade clause. If he is willing, i think this trade works for all parties. It also works in ESPN Trade Checker.

NEW YORK TRADES:
Carmelo Anthony
Frank Ntilikina
Top 10 Protected 2018 First Round Pick (if not converted in 2018 then 2019/2020 top 10 protected; 2021 converts to 2 second round picks)

NEW YORK RECEIVES:
Kyrie Irving
Channing Frye

CLEVELAND TRADES:
Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert
Channing Frye

CLEVELAND RECEIVES:
Carmelo Anthony
Eric Bledsoe
Top 10 Protected Pick from Knicks

PHOENIX TRADES:
Eric Bledsoe

PHOENIX RECEIVES:
Iman Shumpert
Frank Ntilikina



Why for New York? -- New York is able to move on from Carmelo. They can begin the youth movement and pair Irving with Hardaway Jr, Porzingis, and WHG.
C: WHG, O'Quinn, Noah
PF: Porzingis
SF: C.Lee, Beasley
SG: Hardaway Jr., Randle
PG: Kyrie, Sessions, Baker

Why for Cleveland? -- This trade allows Cleveland to trade Kyrie while remaining a top tier team in the NBA. This may be enough to convince to LeBron to stay past this upcoming year. If everyone stays healthy, this team has a lot of weapons and is deep enough to compete with the Warriors and the other strong teams out West.
C: Thompson
PF: Melo, Love
SF: LeBron, J.Green
SG: JR Smith, Korver
PG: Bledsoe, Rose, Calderon

Why for Phoenix? -- Phoenix is able to get the #8 pick from the past draft. Phoenix will get their point guard of the future that fits the age range of their other top talent; Booker, Ulis, Chriss, Bender, Jackson.
C: Chandler
PF: Chriss, Bender
SF: J.Jackson, Warren
SG: Booker
PG: F.Ntilikina, Ulis

Any thoughts? Do you think it fair for each team? It would involve Melo waiving his no-trade clause as i mentioned.

Remove Frank Ntilikina. Knicks removes any pick protections and you have yourself a deal.

I think I have less issue with the notion that Cleveland gets our draft pick no matter how good it ends up than I do with giving up Frank and any draft pick. I wouldn't tie up a deal however cuz Im betting for us to land in the top 10 and have buyers remorse. If we land the 5th pick in the draft and it belongs to Cleveland, so be it. I got Kyrie in the end. Where I hate deals like yours is why do you get the player I just picked in the lottery as well as a future pick? So essentially what we've done here is watch the Knicks give up two top 10 picks.

Nah, just take your win now player and one single piece of our future. The end. Its not like we're adding two lottery picks to some waiver worthy expiring here. Carmelo just nearly averaged 22/6/3 and he's going to play with one of his best friends

Then what do the Suns get? Take that unprotected Knicks draft pick away from the Cavs and give it to the Suns? Cavs get Bledsoe and Carmelo do they really need more for unhappy Kyrie.

[phraoh]

Not sure why people keep proposing trades with Carmelo to Cavs...Cavs don't want Carmelo and Carmelo doesn't want Cavs, so it doesn't make for a good match. I also think Cavs are not going to make this trade solely with Lebron in mind. Yes they want some win now players, but also some young assets that will be there IF Lebron leaves or when he becomes less effective due to age. I think a Cavs Clippers trade will happen when Beverly trade exception time is over in less than two weeks. Jordan, Beverly and a couple of young assets (player/pick) for Kyrie and Shumpert...it may already be done.

[Da ThRONe]

Not sure why people keep proposing trades with Carmelo to Cavs...Cavs don't want Carmelo and Carmelo doesn't want Cavs, so it doesn't make for a good match. I also think Cavs are not going to make this trade solely with Lebron in mind. Yes they want some win now players, but also some young assets that will be there IF Lebron leaves or when he becomes less effective due to age. I think a Cavs Clippers trade will happen when Beverly trade exception time is over in less than two weeks. Jordan, Beverly and a couple of young assets (player/pick) for Kyrie and Shumpert...it may already be done.

Although I think you're right about what the Cavs ultimately want for Irving I think it's a huge mistake. At this point they need to either focus on a total rebuild trading Irving for as much assets as they can get or trade him to get better win now players. Trying to do both IMO will just leave them in a bad place and they won't be successful doing either. Personally this close to titles I'd make a win now trade trying to replace my two 1 way stars with better 2 way stars more on James' timeline. Try to convince LeBron to end his career as a Cav. Then just handle the rebuild when it comes.

[Nazrmohamed]

I will start by saying this scenario is pending Melo waiving is no-trade clause. If he is willing, i think this trade works for all parties. It also works in ESPN Trade Checker.

NEW YORK TRADES:
Carmelo Anthony
Frank Ntilikina
Top 10 Protected 2018 First Round Pick (if not converted in 2018 then 2019/2020 top 10 protected; 2021 converts to 2 second round picks)

NEW YORK RECEIVES:
Kyrie Irving
Channing Frye

CLEVELAND TRADES:
Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert
Channing Frye

CLEVELAND RECEIVES:
Carmelo Anthony
Eric Bledsoe
Top 10 Protected Pick from Knicks

PHOENIX TRADES:
Eric Bledsoe

PHOENIX RECEIVES:
Iman Shumpert
Frank Ntilikina



Why for New York? -- New York is able to move on from Carmelo. They can begin the youth movement and pair Irving with Hardaway Jr, Porzingis, and WHG.
C: WHG, O'Quinn, Noah
PF: Porzingis
SF: C.Lee, Beasley
SG: Hardaway Jr., Randle
PG: Kyrie, Sessions, Baker

Why for Cleveland? -- This trade allows Cleveland to trade Kyrie while remaining a top tier team in the NBA. This may be enough to convince to LeBron to stay past this upcoming year. If everyone stays healthy, this team has a lot of weapons and is deep enough to compete with the Warriors and the other strong teams out West.
C: Thompson
PF: Melo, Love
SF: LeBron, J.Green
SG: JR Smith, Korver
PG: Bledsoe, Rose, Calderon

Why for Phoenix? -- Phoenix is able to get the #8 pick from the past draft. Phoenix will get their point guard of the future that fits the age range of their other top talent; Booker, Ulis, Chriss, Bender, Jackson.
C: Chandler
PF: Chriss, Bender
SF: J.Jackson, Warren
SG: Booker
PG: F.Ntilikina, Ulis

Any thoughts? Do you think it fair for each team? It would involve Melo waiving his no-trade clause as i mentioned.

Remove Frank Ntilikina. Knicks removes any pick protections and you have yourself a deal.

I think I have less issue with the notion that Cleveland gets our draft pick no matter how good it ends up than I do with giving up Frank and any draft pick. I wouldn't tie up a deal however cuz Im betting for us to land in the top 10 and have buyers remorse. If we land the 5th pick in the draft and it belongs to Cleveland, so be it. I got Kyrie in the end. Where I hate deals like yours is why do you get the player I just picked in the lottery as well as a future pick? So essentially what we've done here is watch the Knicks give up two top 10 picks.

Nah, just take your win now player and one single piece of our future. The end. Its not like we're adding two lottery picks to some waiver worthy expiring here. Carmelo just nearly averaged 22/6/3 and he's going to play with one of his best friends

Then what do the Suns get? Take that unprotected Knicks draft pick away from the Cavs and give it to the Suns? Cavs Ged Bledsoe and Carmelo do they really need more for unhappy Kyrie.

Wow readibg is fundamental. My bad, I could care so little about what Pheonix does that I somehow excluded them from my reasoning. On second look the Cavs are simply getting way too much for Kyrie. Its very easily arguable that Bledsoe and Melo are way better as a pairing than what Cleveland is giving up in Kyrie and then they still land a lotto pick?

I think the Knicks are getting hosed. If Melo were on Cleveland for the last 4 yrs with LeBron being the focal point. Melo just focused on being an efficient sidekick and Kyrie were a knick, dribbling in circles, scoring 25 but team losing........yall do realize itd still be the Knicks who gotta give up the farm right?

Again, the Knicks are giving up the second leading scorer in this trade, off from Kyrie by only 2 pts. I get that even if they were identical, the fact that Melo is 33 and Kyrie is 25 must be mitigated. My answer to that is one single first rounder, no protections. Just take it and what happens happens. When Cleveland's drafting Porter or Dnocic or whoever Ill probably wonder "what if", however I could sleep at night. Doing that and then throwing in Ntilikina as a sweetner is then WAY too much. If Cleveland needs a sweetner go take Damean Dotson and frankly I don't think they deserve a sweetner.

Maybe Melo and LeBron are working together to **** the Knicks. Lebron wants to compete, he tells Melo to keep saying Houston until the last hr and then flip and now Clevelands getting Bledsoe, Melo and a pick.

[mg]

I saw on twitter that LeBron and Kyrie were both down in Miami this weekend and both ended up eating at the same restaurant(at different times) on Saturday. Something tells me this might be another Kobe situation where he demanded to be traded from the Lakers... we all know how that turned out. Even Kyrie's new Bruce Lee shoes look exactly like Kobe shoes.

[jbent87]

Starting to get possible Kyrie trade fatigue tbh.

[Warchant]

Kyrie for IT and #1 pick...helps now and in the future

[Warchant]

I saw on twitter that LeBron and Kyrie were both down in Miami this weekend and both ended up eating at the same restaurant(at different times) on Saturday. Something tells me this might be another Kobe situation where he demanded to be traded from the Lakers... we all know how that turned out. Even Kyrie's new Bruce Lee shoes look exactly like Kobe shoes.

Kobe wanted guys around him....Kyrie wants away from LB