Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[Stillwater]

^^ pretty sure the Cavs only interest in Melo would be if he were bought out, and the pick protections would have to be removed.

That is big return for the Cavs.

Bledsoe, Melo, and a #1 protected pick for a player who no longer wants to be there. That team competes next year easily. Just looked how loaded the team's rotation is.

C: Thompson
PF: Melo
SF: LeBron
SG: JR Smith
PG: Bledsoe

Rotation off the bench. --> Love, Rose, Korver, J.Green.

Maybe so, but regardless of a fair return as far as player value on the court , Melo is not worth his contract , and it is not what the Cav's are looking for in a trade. Melo is not going to help the Cavs defend KD .In fact I would say his only value would be as a 6th man. Cleveland would not want Melo unless he was interested in coming there after being bought out.Which won't happen now that Phil is gone.Why do think Melo now only wants to go to Houston? It is probably really because the Cavs are no longer interested.

[clyde21]

Why are people suggesting the Cavs bench Love for Melo? Why would you bench the better player who's also a better fit? What is going on here???

[og15]

Why are people suggesting the Cavs bench Love for Melo? Why would you bench the better player who's also a better fit? What is going on here???

Yea, if I'm bringing Love off the bench, then I'd rather just try to trade him and get better at SG or C if possible.

[Vee-Rex]

I'd take DJ and Beverley for Kyrie and Shump. Move Tristan to the bench and the lineup looks like:

DJ/Tristan
Love/Frye
Bron/Green
Smith/Korver
Beverley/Rose

Doesn't make us better than GS or anything but at this point, what will? Absolutely nothing. At least with this squad we'll have more defense.

[John Murdoch]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9zkoqpl

[Stillwater]

I'd take DJ and Beverley for Kyrie and Shump. Move Tristan to the bench and the lineup looks like:

DJ/Tristan
Love/Frye
Bron/Green
Smith/Korver
Beverley/Rose

Doesn't make us better than GS or anything but at this point, what will? Absolutely nothing. At least with this squad we'll have more defense.

If they throw in Liggins and Thronwell or Liggins and Evans along with their 2020 first unprotected,despite not getting back a blue chipper, I think Cav's would pull the trigger. We would send them Tavares the shot blocking savant to help plug the loss of DJ in the paint and balance the deal. Waive Calderon ,done, or waive Calderon & Felder if we get Evans instead of Thorwell (Evans>Felder)
& have 1 open roster spot for a veteran walk on or 1 of the likes of Pointer,White etc.
You also forgot about the potential impact of Cedi on the wing. His athleticism defensively and passing will keep him on the consideration list for some time in the rotation even as an NBA rookie esp with the aging roster.

[Seabass11]

I'd take DJ and Beverley for Kyrie and Shump. Move Tristan to the bench and the lineup looks like:

DJ/Tristan
Love/Frye
Bron/Green
Smith/Korver
Beverley/Rose

Doesn't make us better than GS or anything but at this point, what will? Absolutely nothing. At least with this squad we'll have more defense.

Agree with this. Although I'd probably swing TT for another wing. He and DJ would be terrible together on the floor and both would (should) be getting high minutes so I'd look to move TT.

But yeah that might be enough defense to get us to 6 games versus 5 this year

[Nazrmohamed]

Why are people suggesting the Cavs bench Love for Melo? Why would you bench the better player who's also a better fit? What is going on here???

I don't know that Love is a better player or a better fit. What Melo does as a first optiin on the Knicks obviously wont be the case on the Cavs but then again, what he'll be on the Cavs would most likely be more impactful.

Understand this. Melo averaged 22pts and almost 6 boards at SF while playing next to two guys who averaged 18 pts. So the idea that he only did it on some bad team with no other options is null. Sure we were bad but not because we lacked scoring and Melos usage was actually the lowest it had been since his rookie year.
The next argument is typically about efficiency but remember, he's going to play with Lebron James and get all the benefits and protection one does by playing with someone of Lebrons magnitude. The same benefits that in reality Kyrie or Love enjoy, JR and Shumpert enjoyed.
This isn't to excuse Melos bbal behaviors but rather to say he won't even get the same opportunities to execute on his bad behaviors in Cleveland where Lebron is so ball dominant(in a great way). Its not like Love nor Melo in Cleveland are operating in the post so at that point Melos the better shooter from just about anywhere, hes a faster player at PF, which is where he'll play most likely. So really its less about "Melo dont stop Durant" cuz Lebron will stop Durant. Its about being able to play more uptempo with Melo being a more prolific stretch 4.

But that's not to say he couldn't come off the bench, I just don't think it proves who's better. I could see the reason being about flexibility. Melo off the bench means having a super sub at either forward positions. Lebron needs rest here comes a 20pt scorer, Love needs rest here comes a 20pt scorer. But same could be said for Love at PF/C.

Could see Cleveland causing fits with
Sf-Lebron
Pf-Melo
C-Love
In stretches...

[Froob]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9zkoqpl

Why for Memphis? I know people love this Mitchell kid, but he's only beaten up SL scrubs, does that really change his stock that much that you give up Mike Conley for him?

[Da ThRONe]

http://www.google.com/amp/uproxx.com/dimemag/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-trade-demands/amp/

Not sure if this was leaked to try and get James' people to give a commitment to the team, but if true this course of action is by default giving LeBron all the reasoning to leave Cleveland yet again.

[Birdie]

http://www.google.com/amp/uproxx.com/dimemag/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-trade-demands/amp/

Not sure if this was leaked to try and get James' people to give a commitment to the team, but if true this course of action is by default giving LeBron all the reasoning to leave Cleveland yet again.

In fairness, what more can they do? I don't think they wanna be left holding the bag like they were in 2010, so, it behooves them to think like this. Personally, I'm in the camp of f the future, we go for the now and "if" we were to make the right moves for win-now players, I think the long-term commitment from LBJ would come but unless we get a sweetheart deal for Kyrie (which I think is doubtful), I just see LBJ wanting to stick around with a disgruntled Kyrie or no Kyrie at all. But who knows? Maybe this Kyrie fiasco has been a gutpunch to LBJ's ego and in some weird way, it might convince him to stay and prove the doubters wrong or something that he (LBJ) is difficult to play with. Who knows?

I think we'll know more by 2nd/3rd week of Sept at the latest as I anticipate if Kyrie is being moved, it'll happen around then as a few non-tradeable guys who we would target (i.e. Avery Bradley, Patrick Beverley, etc.) become trade eligible unless PHO/BOS/NY pony up Porzingis/Tatum/Jackson in the meantime.

[Froob]

Think he stays, I don't think there's a trade that makes sense unless it's Jackson/Bledsoe. Ultimately, Kyrie either has to play or not get paid (right?).

[BklyntoTNeck]

^^ pretty sure the Cavs only interest in Melo would be if he were bought out, and the pick protections would have to be removed.

Pretty sure he's not being bought out, Mills said very directly that isn't happening. People can say it all they want, but its less likely than having the Knicks reduce Melo's playing time. Also pretty sure no team will be removing any pick protections going forward as they see what Boston did to Nets.

[Da ThRONe]

http://www.google.com/amp/uproxx.com/dimemag/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-trade-demands/amp/

Not sure if this was leaked to try and get James' people to give a commitment to the team, but if true this course of action is by default giving LeBron all the reasoning to leave Cleveland yet again.

In fairness, what more can they do? I don't think they wanna be left holding the bag like they were in 2010, so, it behooves them to think like this. Personally, I'm in the camp of f the future, we go for the now and "if" we were to make the right moves for win-now players, I think the long-term commitment from LBJ would come but unless we get a sweetheart deal for Kyrie (which I think is doubtful), I just see LBJ wanting to stick around with a disgruntled Kyrie or no Kyrie at all. But who knows? Maybe this Kyrie fiasco has been a gutpunch to LBJ's ego and in some weird way, it might convince him to stay and prove the doubters wrong or something that he (LBJ) is difficult to play with. Who knows?

I think we'll know more by 2nd/3rd week of Sept at the latest as I anticipate if Kyrie is being moved, it'll happen around then as a few non-tradeable guys who we would target (i.e. Avery Bradley, Patrick Beverley, etc.) become trade eligible unless PHO/BOS/NY pony up Porzingis/Tatum/Jackson in the meantime.

They can put the best possible team around the games best player and let the chips fall where they may. There's no safe play for Cleveland. GS is a monster and could end up being unbeatable regardless of whatever vets they bring in. I think if they sell off Irving for future assets James is definitely gone. Adding vets at least gives James reasons to end his career with the Cavs. I feel that should be the priority.

[Stillwater]

^^ pretty sure the Cavs only interest in Melo would be if he were bought out, and the pick protections would have to be removed.

Pretty sure he's not being bought out, Mills said very directly that isn't happening. People can say it all they want, but its less likely than having the Knicks reduce Melo's playing time. Also pretty sure no team will be removing any pick protections going forward as they see what Boston did to Nets.

Yeah I know that was my point, he is not going to Cleveland in any trade now or ever.& he isn't getting bought out now that Phil is gone, so the Cavs have zero interest. Not to mention Melo has no interest in going to a place where his buddy might leave the next year, esp if the Cavs go future on the KI trade with no vets returned that keep the Cavs a contender. Add the other guy Melo may have wanted to play with already is 1 foot out the door.

[frothbrain]

cleveland's trying to fleece some team out of their young star so they have something to market when lebron leaves next summer.

bledsoe plus rookie contracts outside of jackson and booker seems like the best offer.
if they are really interested in porzingis they can get bledsoe and the poor man's version in bender.

[BasketballFan7]

Kyrie and Frye for Porzingis and Noah. LeBron with Love and Porzingis as his bigs

[Curmudgeon]

Kyrie and Frye for Porzingis and Noah. LeBron with Love and Porzingis as his bigs

Unless Mills is a complete Boob, he's going to insist that the Cavs take both Melo and Noah as part of any Porzingis deal.

Melo, Noah and Porzingis for Irving, Love and Frye. Or Something along those lines. Would Melo waive his no trade to play with LeBron for a year?

[Stillwater]

Kyrie and Frye for Porzingis and Noah. LeBron with Love and Porzingis as his bigs

I think the Cavs will get a better offer than having to eat Noahs contract to get KP, however I wouldn't put it past them to do it, if they can unload Shumpert & or Thompson in a separate deal, to balance the roster,and lower the tax burden while still remaining a contender. But all that seems risky & unlikely.
Just getting KP as good as he is doesn't solve their back court issues minus KI. And it doesn't make them better defensively on the perimeter.

[clyde21]

Kyrie and Frye for Porzingis and Noah. LeBron with Love and Porzingis as his bigs

Why would New York do that?