Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 1

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Cosmo, I guess I haven't been paying enough attention, but what happened to Len? You said "losing BK and Len." BK I know is injured.

I don't mean to suggest we wouldn't resign Len, but I think that in any case, his development time with us has expired. I think if Alex returned, he would take a warm spot at the end of the bench. Alan Williams should be ahead of him in the rotation, and given that Tyson is still here, Tyson too. If we were able to trade Tyson (which I don't expect), I don't think Alex would (a) average 20 MPG or (b) have even a yellow light to shoot that fifteen foot jumper.

[RunDogGun]

Cosmo, I guess I haven't been paying enough attention, but what happened to Len? You said "losing BK and Len." BK I know is injured.

I don't mean to suggest we wouldn't resign Len, but I think that in any case, his development time with us has expired. I think if Alex returned, he would take a warm spot at the end of the bench. Alan Williams should be ahead of him in the rotation, and given that Tyson is still here, Tyson too. If we were able to trade Tyson (which I don't expect), I don't think Alex would (a) average 20 MPG or (b) have even a yellow light to shoot that fifteen foot jumper.

Got it. At first I thought there was news I missed, since I've been lurking but not posting much.

[collidingNeurons]

this whole Lebron debate is silly. it's a year away and with the team as it's currently constructed there's very little chance of him even considering Phoenix. the main reason people speculate he wanted to join LA was due to being close to his business and hollywood opportunities, which i never fully bought into either. But the Lakers are making moves like they think they have either him or George or both committed, not my concern though nor anything i am gong to worry about. If Lebron wants to come here next year of course you dont turn it down , but that's a huge long shot on it's own and then you have people acting as if that somehow equates getting him Cousins and George too, and that's hugely unlikely. And i dont want to see the Suns start trying to trade their picks and youth for those guys. I am happy with the current team and the prospect of a top 5 pick in next years draft and will leave the fanderbation dream of Lebron, PG and cousins to others, gonna be some serious basketball related blue balls if you 're maintaining that for the next 12 months

The warriors drafted Curry, Thompson and Green, The Thunder drafted Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, Jeff green and Adams,The Spurs built most of their great teams through the draft, all these teams added players after they had cornerstone players that they drafted first and didnt start getting rid of them in their rookie contracts for superstars past their prime... I'd rather have a team of home grown players that are developed and associated mainly in Phoenix then chasing a collection of players past their prime in hopes they can somehow beat the warrior or whoever else is the top teams atm

[RaisingArizona]

Getting Lebron next year would be similar to getting Shaq when we did. Too late and although he'd help for a season or two, I doubt it gets us close to winning it all.

[In2ition]

Getting Lebron next year would be similar to getting Shaq when we did. Too late and although he'd help for a season or two, I doubt it gets us close to winning it all.

I can see that some people agree with you, but getting LeBron as a FA next year would be nothing like getting Shaq when he was clearly past his prime and declining, while giving up one of the best pillars of what made 7SOL so successful in Marion.

[collidingNeurons]

Getting Lebron next year would be similar to getting Shaq when we did. Too late and although he'd help for a season or two, I doubt it gets us close to winning it all.

I can see that some people agree with you, but getting LeBron as a FA next year would be nothing like getting Shaq when he was clearly past his prime and declining, while giving up one of the best pillars of what made 7SOL so successful in Marion.

it's a good point that Shaq was past his prime and declining and we gave up Marion but Lebron is eventually going to be in decline too and it could be any time and you have no idea what other parts we would have to part with to make him happy. But mainly him alone doesn't make us contenders... it really comes down to this for me, I'd rather have what Phily does than be where Cleveland might be post a Lebron exit depending on what they get for Kyrie and Love.

[TOO]

Getting Lebron next year would be similar to getting Shaq when we did. Too late and although he'd help for a season or two, I doubt it gets us close to winning it all.

We'd be 1000% closer to winning it all with him than without. Let's not act like LeBron is solely reliant on athleticism and his game won't age well. If we signed him, without having to give up any sort of compensation aside from Sarver's money, I'm all in on that. He knows how to win, he could teach our young guys a few things about that. Now, if he were smart, he'd go to San Antonio, Pop knows how to manage vet minutes better than anyone. Him, Kawhi and Co would be right there with the Dubs imo.

[bwgood77]

Getting Lebron next year would be similar to getting Shaq when we did. Too late and although he'd help for a season or two, I doubt it gets us close to winning it all.

Funny, I almost typed the same thing earlier, but then thought "well that team was actually good before we got him". But yes, it would be similar except we DON'T even have a competitive team. We are near the worst in the league. Now LeBron may be better now than when we got Shaq, but Shaq was only a couple years removed from finishing 2nd in MVP voting to Nash (many thought he should have won) and it's been four years since LeBron won MVP....and if he doesn't win this year it will have been 5.

And again, adding him to a young raw team who's biggest two weaknesses are outside shooting and defense, near bottom of the league in both, is not the type of team LeBron needs. He needs to be surrounded by solid defenders and great shooters, and probabl most importantly, savvy vets.

[In2ition]

Getting Lebron next year would be similar to getting Shaq when we did. Too late and although he'd help for a season or two, I doubt it gets us close to winning it all.

I can see that some people agree with you, but getting LeBron as a FA next year would be nothing like getting Shaq when he was clearly past his prime and declining, while giving up one of the best pillars of what made 7SOL so successful in Marion.

it's a good point that Shaq was past his prime and declining and we gave up Marion but Lebron is eventually going to be in decline too and it could be any time and you have no idea what other parts we would have to part with to make him happy. But mainly him alone doesn't make us contenders... it really comes down to this for me, I'd rather have what Phily does than be where Cleveland might be post a Lebron exit depending on what they get for Kyrie and Love.

Personally, I wouldn't change the team to appease LeBron's whims. He would augment the young guys that are already there, and further accelerate their growth. The plan was to get these kids to the point where they are a mainstay in the playoffs for the next 10 years +. IMO, the Suns need to go all in on winning by next year. That doesn't mean trading away their future to do that, but it does mean pulling out all the stops to signing vets that help you win. I see one more year of losing, w/ or w/o Kyrie, and then making a big jump next year and letting the maturation and culture build from then on. It feels to me that Phx is a year behind the development of Philly, who stops tanking this year and wants their young core to go out and be successful and compete with the big boys of the East.

[TOO]

I can see that some people agree with you, but getting LeBron as a FA next year would be nothing like getting Shaq when he was clearly past his prime and declining, while giving up one of the best pillars of what made 7SOL so successful in Marion.

it's a good point that Shaq was past his prime and declining and we gave up Marion but Lebron is eventually going to be in decline too and it could be any time and you have no idea what other parts we would have to part with to make him happy. But mainly him alone doesn't make us contenders... it really comes down to this for me, I'd rather have what Phily does than be where Cleveland might be post a Lebron exit depending on what they get for Kyrie and Love.

Personally, I wouldn't change the team to appease LeBron's whims. He would augment the young guys that are already there, and further accelerate their growth. The plan was to get these kids to the point where they are a mainstay in the playoffs for the next 10 years +. IMO, the Suns need to go all in on winning by next year. That doesn't mean trading away their future to do that, but it does mean pulling out all the stops to signing vets that help you win. I see one more year of losing, w/ or w/o Kyrie, and then making a big jump next year and letting the maturation and culture build from then on. It feels to me that Phx is a year behind the development of Philly, who stops tanking this year and wants their young core to go out and be successful and compete with the big boys of the East.

We are only behind Philly because we're in the West.

[collidingNeurons]

I can see that some people agree with you, but getting LeBron as a FA next year would be nothing like getting Shaq when he was clearly past his prime and declining, while giving up one of the best pillars of what made 7SOL so successful in Marion.

it's a good point that Shaq was past his prime and declining and we gave up Marion but Lebron is eventually going to be in decline too and it could be any time and you have no idea what other parts we would have to part with to make him happy. But mainly him alone doesn't make us contenders... it really comes down to this for me, I'd rather have what Phily does than be where Cleveland might be post a Lebron exit depending on what they get for Kyrie and Love.

Personally, I wouldn't change the team to appease LeBron's whims. He would augment the young guys that are already there, and further accelerate their growth. The plan was to get these kids to the point where they are a mainstay in the playoffs for the next 10 years +. IMO, the Suns need to go all in on winning by next year. That doesn't mean trading away their future to do that, but it does mean pulling out all the stops to signing vets that help you win. I see one more year of losing, w/ or w/o Kyrie, and then making a big jump next year and letting the maturation and culture build from then on. It feels to me that Phx is a year behind the development of Philly, who stops tanking this year and wants their young core to go out and be successful and compete with the big boys of the East.

i can agree with that, i dont want to endlessly tank just not sacrifice future for a small window of opportunity. I've been a Suns fan since Connie Hawkins was here, i want the Suns to win as much as anyone, just not make dumb short sighted moves which ive seen a lot of over the years

[In2ition]

it's a good point that Shaq was past his prime and declining and we gave up Marion but Lebron is eventually going to be in decline too and it could be any time and you have no idea what other parts we would have to part with to make him happy. But mainly him alone doesn't make us contenders... it really comes down to this for me, I'd rather have what Phily does than be where Cleveland might be post a Lebron exit depending on what they get for Kyrie and Love.

Personally, I wouldn't change the team to appease LeBron's whims. He would augment the young guys that are already there, and further accelerate their growth. The plan was to get these kids to the point where they are a mainstay in the playoffs for the next 10 years +. IMO, the Suns need to go all in on winning by next year. That doesn't mean trading away their future to do that, but it does mean pulling out all the stops to signing vets that help you win. I see one more year of losing, w/ or w/o Kyrie, and then making a big jump next year and letting the maturation and culture build from then on. It feels to me that Phx is a year behind the development of Philly, who stops tanking this year and wants their young core to go out and be successful and compete with the big boys of the East.

We are only behind Philly because we're in the West.

We're behind Philly because we were half in on the rebuild, constantly trying to figure out how to be competitive looking for quick fixes while Philly went all in and embraced the suck.

[TOO]

To be fair, we've sucked without embracing the suck. Aside from Horny's first year, we've been pretty bad for awhile now.

[collidingNeurons]

Personally, I wouldn't change the team to appease LeBron's whims. He would augment the young guys that are already there, and further accelerate their growth. The plan was to get these kids to the point where they are a mainstay in the playoffs for the next 10 years +. IMO, the Suns need to go all in on winning by next year. That doesn't mean trading away their future to do that, but it does mean pulling out all the stops to signing vets that help you win. I see one more year of losing, w/ or w/o Kyrie, and then making a big jump next year and letting the maturation and culture build from then on. It feels to me that Phx is a year behind the development of Philly, who stops tanking this year and wants their young core to go out and be successful and compete with the big boys of the East.

We are only behind Philly because we're in the West.

We're behind Philly because we were half in on the rebuild, constantly trying to figure out how to be competitive looking for quick fixes while Philly went all in and embraced the suck.

they also had consistently higher picks and didn't have the one season where they won 48 and then second guess the tank

[thamadkant]

Stars recruit stars.


LeBron isn't coming to Suns.

But hypothetically... If he joins Suns.. He would recruit other stars.

Like Harden did with Paul... As Morey mentioned.


Also it's how Durant joined Warriors.




It should be illegal but the NBA is letting it happen... Team FO do their recruitment through their stars... Should be illegal but it's not.

[Book1Nation]

LeBron is 100x better than what Shaq was when we got him.

[collidingNeurons]

LeBron is 100x better than what Shaq was when we got him.

our team was also 100x more ready to compete when we got Shaq. It's not lebron i am opposed to. What would likely happen after we got him is what I wouldn't want, but like others have said the chances he signs with phoenix are pretty small.

[DirtyDez]

LeBron is 100x better than what Shaq was when we got him.

Maybe people are thinking of a different Lebron that didn't just average 34/12/10 on 63%ts vs the GOAT team?

[thamadkant]

Lol at comparison with Shaq. Suns got an out of shape old lazy Shaq

LeBron is on drugs and recovery methods so advanced it keeps his body in peak shape and let's him work As hard as when he was younger. One thing that can affect him quickly is worn out joints... No treatment there.

[sunsfever68]

LOL at the old Shaq vs Old Lebron comparison


I'd be screaming my head off if we signed Lebron even at his age. He's still the best player in the league or even by then top 3-5. You sign that guy any day of the week.