Markelle Fultz Discussion

[LordCovington33]

Steps 1-4 all require at least 2-3 years of judgement. So it's a waiting game I guess. And how would Bamba, Ayton or Bagley exactly fit on the Sixers?

It's not about fit for us. It's about giving Boston elite talent that fits them. If the Lakers pick 4th we lose the pick. We could have drafted someone very good but instead it goes to Boston and they can get Doncic or Bamba or Ahton. We are making Boston real good. That's why it's imperative Fultz is the clear cut best player in this draft and becomes a perennial all star.

What do you mean it's not about fit dude? It most certainly was. Tatum, Jackson and DSJ were not fits. Fultz was, and he has a superstar ceiling. And you don't think Fultz can become that? That's all good. I'm very high on Fultz, and pretty much every analyst was as well. Not that it means anything. I don't think Fultz cares about what anyone thinks, unlike Ben Simmons who might have a little Lesean McCoy in him (wants to be told he's the best 3 times per day). It's going to a ton of fun to watch it all play out though.

THE bigger story with Boston is whether or not they max IT. If they do, and I think Danny will, we have zero concerns what Boston does. But I'm not as high on Jayson Tatum as you probably are. And Hayward is not a needle mover.

Trading up was done to get THE player that the sixers wanted, rather than settling for A player they liked. He was an important piece in the puzzle. Jackson wasn't due to a poor jump shoot. Neither was Ball since we have a playmaker already (plus his shooting action might not translate). Why settle for Jackson or Ball when you could get Fultz? There was no way in hell Fultz was falling to #3. Tatum was not a #1 draft pick, so taking him there would have subjected Ainge to criticism. He would have traded with sby else who wanted him to get his man, or if that failed, he would have played it safe and taken Fultz.

[Ericb5]

Steps 1-4 all require at least 2-3 years of judgement. So it's a waiting game I guess. And how would Bamba, Ayton or Bagley exactly fit on the Sixers?

It's not about fit for us. It's about giving Boston elite talent that fits them. If the Lakers pick 4th we lose the pick. We could have drafted someone very good but instead it goes to Boston and they can get Doncic or Bamba or Ahton. We are making Boston real good. That's why it's imperative Fultz is the clear cut best player in this draft and becomes a perennial all star.

What do you mean it's not about fit dude? It most certainly was. Tatum, Jackson and DSJ were not fits. Fultz was, and he has a superstar ceiling. And you don't think Fultz can become that? That's all good. I'm very high on Fultz, and pretty much every analyst was as well. Not that it means anything. I don't think Fultz cares about what anyone thinks, unlike Ben Simmons who might have a little Lesean McCoy in him (wants to be told he's the best 3 times per day). It's going to a ton of fun to watch it all play out though.

THE bigger story with Boston is whether or not they max IT. If they do, and I think Danny will, we have zero concerns what Boston does. But I'm not as high on Jayson Tatum as you probably are. And Hayward is not a needle mover.

Tatum, Jackson, and Smith all fit fine. They just didn't fit as well as Fultz.

I also don't think that Fultz has superstar upside.

That being said, he could be an allstar some day, and fits like a glove. I'm glad we made the move, even though I was in favor of staying put and taking Jackson at the time.

I still think that Jackson and Ball are likely to be better players than Fultz, but Fultz just checks the boxes for us enough to make it worth the risk.


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[Mrcrockpots]

It's not about fit for us. It's about giving Boston elite talent that fits them. If the Lakers pick 4th we lose the pick. We could have drafted someone very good but instead it goes to Boston and they can get Doncic or Bamba or Ahton. We are making Boston real good. That's why it's imperative Fultz is the clear cut best player in this draft and becomes a perennial all star.

What do you mean it's not about fit dude? It most certainly was. Tatum, Jackson and DSJ were not fits. Fultz was, and he has a superstar ceiling. And you don't think Fultz can become that? That's all good. I'm very high on Fultz, and pretty much every analyst was as well. Not that it means anything. I don't think Fultz cares about what anyone thinks, unlike Ben Simmons who might have a little Lesean McCoy in him (wants to be told he's the best 3 times per day). It's going to a ton of fun to watch it all play out though.

THE bigger story with Boston is whether or not they max IT. If they do, and I think Danny will, we have zero concerns what Boston does. But I'm not as high on Jayson Tatum as you probably are. And Hayward is not a needle mover.

Trading up was done to get THE player that the sixers wanted, rather than settling for A player they liked. He was an important piece in the puzzle. Jackson wasn't due to a poor jump shoot. Neither was Ball since we have a playmaker already (plus his shooting action might not translate). Why settle for Jackson or Ball when you could get Fultz? There was no way in hell Fultz was falling to #3. Tatum was not a #1 draft pick, so taking him there would have subjected Ainge to criticism. He would have traded with sby else who wanted him to get his man, or if that failed, he would have played it safe and taken Fultz.

At least someone gets it

[LordCovington33]

At least someone gets it

Most get it. Unfortunately the vocal minority dominate the posts. His fit with our team is perfect.

[Simmons25]

I also don't think that Fultz has superstar upside.

That being said, he could be an allstar some day, and fits like a glove. I'm glad we made the move, even though I was in favor of staying put and taking Jackson at the time.

To be honest not many players have superstar upside but he doesn't have to in our team. We already have 2 players that have that potential. All-star potential is more than enough... most of the guys taken in the top 5 of every draft are never going to be all-stars.

If we didn't have Joel or Ben there is no way in hell we would have traded up for Fultz but like you said he was the perfect fit so the deal was a no-brainer.

[bedjawII]

I also don't think that Fultz has superstar upside.

That being said, he could be an allstar some day, and fits like a glove. I'm glad we made the move, even though I was in favor of staying put and taking Jackson at the time.

To be honest not many players have superstar upside but he doesn't have to in our team. We already have 2 players that have that potential. All-star potential is more than enough... most of the guys taken in the top 5 of every draft are never going to be all-stars.

If we didn't have Joel or Ben there is no way in hell we would have traded up for Fultz but like you said he was the perfect fit so the deal was a no-brainer.

Youre being to soft on him. Neither JoJo nor BS impact MFs potential. Fultz has through the roof potential. He has all the makings of an elite combo-guard. It is true he doesn't have to be elite for this to work. But all the scouts who matter agree that Fultz has the stuff to be elite.

[Mrcrockpots]

Fultz is going to be great in our offense. Defenses will have no choice but to double team either Joel and Ben, as well as account for Redick constantly running off screens. How many wide open 3 pointers did TJ pass up last year? Hopefully Fultz will be the recipient of those types of plays.

[Simmons25]

I also don't think that Fultz has superstar upside.

That being said, he could be an allstar some day, and fits like a glove. I'm glad we made the move, even though I was in favor of staying put and taking Jackson at the time.

To be honest not many players have superstar upside but he doesn't have to in our team. We already have 2 players that have that potential. All-star potential is more than enough... most of the guys taken in the top 5 of every draft are never going to be all-stars.

If we didn't have Joel or Ben there is no way in hell we would have traded up for Fultz but like you said he was the perfect fit so the deal was a no-brainer.

Youre being to soft on him. Neither JoJo nor BS impact MFs potential. Fultz has through the roof potential. He has all the makings of an elite combo-guard. It is true he doesn't have to be elite for this to work. But all the scouts who matter agree that Fultz has the stuff to be elite.

Not going soft at all.. just being realistic about the likelihood of it happening. I think Fultz has the potential to be elite in the Dwayne Wade category... but I think if you were to put it into a percentage of "likelihood" of what are the chances he will be... I'd say 20% where I would put Simmons and Embiid at a 50% chance. I think Fultz definitely in this year's draft has the most potential to reach that level. I don't see that in the other picks yet.

I think Fultz could very well get there but if he doesn't he wouldn't have underachieved at all.

[Mrcrockpots]

To be honest not many players have superstar upside but he doesn't have to in our team. We already have 2 players that have that potential. All-star potential is more than enough... most of the guys taken in the top 5 of every draft are never going to be all-stars.

If we didn't have Joel or Ben there is no way in hell we would have traded up for Fultz but like you said he was the perfect fit so the deal was a no-brainer.

Youre being to soft on him. Neither JoJo nor BS impact MFs potential. Fultz has through the roof potential. He has all the makings of an elite combo-guard. It is true he doesn't have to be elite for this to work. But all the scouts who matter agree that Fultz has the stuff to be elite.

Not going soft at all.. just being realistic about the likelihood of it happening. I think Fultz has the potential to be elite in the Dwayne Wade category... but I think if you were to put it into a percentage of "likelihood" of what are the chances he will be... I'd say 20% where I would put Simmons and Embiid at a 50% chance. I think Fultz definitely in this year's draft has the most potential to reach that level. I don't see that in the other picks yet.

I think Fultz could very well get there but if he doesn't he wouldn't have underachieved at all.

I'm very confident of Fultz becoming a high efficient guard, especially in our offense. I'm not worried about his shooting at all. His jumper is crazy wet. Fultz's ceiling will be dictated by how much he progresses on defense. If he becomes a plus defender, he goes from perennial all star player to potential top 15 player in the NBA in his prime. How long has it been since we had an elite guard prospect? I'm not counting MCW.

Close your eyes. This time last year our guards were Gerald Henderson, Sergio Rodriguez, Nik Stauskas, TJ, and Hollis Thompson.

I remember watching guys like Booker, Druss (rookie year), Mudiay, Dunn and wishing we had one of those. Our back court has been trash for years. I cannot wait to see what this lineup will look like this year.

PG Simmons
SG Fultz
SF Cov
PF Dario
C Embiid

That is going to be crazy exciting to watch.

[LloydFree]

It's only a matter of time before we see Porter dressed in Celtic green going mano y mano against Simmons thanks to that awful Fultz trade.

Pretty sure you have some sort of quota you have to meet per day with throwing shade at the Fultz trade man lol

For me to consider the Fultz trade a win by the Sixers the following must happen.
1. Fultz must be the best player in his draft class AND
2. Fultz must be better than whoever the Celtics get with our pick AND
3. Fultz must be better than the accumulation of Tatum AND whoever the Celtics get with our pick AND
4. Fultz must be at a minimum as good as Kyrie or Lillard

If the Celtics get Porter or Ayton or Bamba or Doncic or Bagley with our pick it must mean Fultz has to be better than for example Bagley and Tatum and that most basketball people who discuss basketball and GMs would not trade Fultz for Bagley and Tatum.

You're wasting your time, if you think any one of those 4 things are going to happen. Just pray Embiid and Simmons stay upright, so the outcome of this trade doesnt matter.

[shawn_hemp]

Pretty sure you have some sort of quota you have to meet per day with throwing shade at the Fultz trade man lol

For me to consider the Fultz trade a win by the Sixers the following must happen.
1. Fultz must be the best player in his draft class AND
2. Fultz must be better than whoever the Celtics get with our pick AND
3. Fultz must be better than the accumulation of Tatum AND whoever the Celtics get with our pick AND
4. Fultz must be at a minimum as good as Kyrie or Lillard

If the Celtics get Porter or Ayton or Bamba or Doncic or Bagley with our pick it must mean Fultz has to be better than for example Bagley and Tatum and that most basketball people who discuss basketball and GMs would not trade Fultz for Bagley and Tatum.

You're wasting your time, if you think any one of those 4 things are going to happen. Just pray Embiid and Simmons stay upright, so the outcome of this trade doesnt matter.

that is an incredibly high standard to be setting tbh. I'd be ok with just #1 happening.

I'm basically looking at it like this: The Celtics definitely won the trade, but the Sixers can still win the war so to speak. We had enough assets to spend one on Fultz. I'm not necessarily thrilled about it, but it is what it is.

The Celtics might have won that particular trade, but for a team that is about to give IT a boatload of money, I feel ok with our current trajectories.

They can have 5 top 5 picks (and probably will) and not draft a player like Embiid. That will always tip the scales in favor of the Sixers.

Bamba doesnt have Joel's range or post moves, Ayton doesnt have his rebounding or defensive skills, and I think we'll just have to take our chances with Boston getting one of them.

[LloydFree]

For me to consider the Fultz trade a win by the Sixers the following must happen.
1. Fultz must be the best player in his draft class AND
2. Fultz must be better than whoever the Celtics get with our pick AND
3. Fultz must be better than the accumulation of Tatum AND whoever the Celtics get with our pick AND
4. Fultz must be at a minimum as good as Kyrie or Lillard

If the Celtics get Porter or Ayton or Bamba or Doncic or Bagley with our pick it must mean Fultz has to be better than for example Bagley and Tatum and that most basketball people who discuss basketball and GMs would not trade Fultz for Bagley and Tatum.

You're wasting your time, if you think any one of those 4 things are going to happen. Just pray Embiid and Simmons stay upright, so the outcome of this trade doesnt matter.

that is an incredibly high standard to be setting tbh. I'd be ok with just #1 happening.

I'm basically looking at it like this: The Celtics definitely won the trade, but the Sixers can still win the war so to speak. We had enough assets to spend one on Fultz. I'm not necessarily thrilled about it, but it is what it is.

The Celtics might have won that particular trade, but for a team that is about to give IT a boatload of money, I feel ok with our current trajectories.

They can have 5 top 5 picks (and probably will) and not draft a player like Embiid. That will always tip the scales in favor of the Sixers.

Bamba doesnt have Joel's range or post moves, Ayton doesnt have his rebounding or defensive skills, and I think we'll just have to take our chances with Boston getting one of them.

1. Its fine to feel good about our current trajectory. I'd feel a lot better about our trajectory without the trade.

2. The presence of Embiid doesn't justify making a bad trade or taking a lesser talent. It doesn't matter that Boston will likely never draft a player with the level of talent of Embiid. Embiid has nothing to do with this. The 76ers still wasted an opportunity to gather more talent than they currently have and gave Boston another opportunity to build on their talent.

[CoreyGallagher]

EDIT: Nah.

Reading the same things everyday isn't so bad.

[LordCovington33]

EDIT: Nah.

Reading the same things everyday isn't so bad.

The reason I rarely visit the sixers subforum now. So mind numbing.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Thread was fine for the most part for about 7 pages. From Page 7 to page 59 it's pretty much been the same thing every day with some random news mixed in. Pretty embarrassing to be honest.

[76ciology]

Haha you dont need to win every trade as long as every move you make moves you forward

[Eyeamok]

Thread was fine for the most part for about 7 pages. From Page 7 to page 59 it's pretty much been the same thing every day with some random news mixed in. Pretty embarrassing to be honest.

It's the off season ! Es Normal amigo.

[the_process]

Another month? The offseason needs to end. This tyranny of the minority is completely unbearable.

[Mik317]

there is nothing Fultz can do to make people change their minds at this point. It is what it is. Get used to the not so subtle shade thrown his way all year.

[LloydFree]

there is nothing Fultz can do to make people change their minds at this point. It is what it is. Get used to the not so subtle shade thrown his way all year.

Yeah he can. He can be a star player or play better than the players drafted behind him.