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Post#321 » by SF_Warriors » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:30 pm

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Exit 9 wrote:I think we can get him. He'd be the clear first option on offense, would have a possible all time back-court with him and Bradley (no hyperbole) and I'm pretty sure a winning team + us playing in the city limit's now is going to open up wayyy more endorsement opportunities.

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irving/bradley wouldn't even be a top 4 back court in the league much less all time.

Guessing he meant Pistons backcourt All Time dude.

As for Kyrie:

AB is the perfect compliment to him so there's no way I'd trade him in a deal.

RJ has to be included since he's not gonna play 6th Man here when he wouldn't in OKC

Dealing Dre & RJ would be cap savvy as **** IMO!

Assuming it all went south and we watch AB then Kyrie leave we'd have no large deals on the books by then

Cavs likely to hedge their bets though which is why I think a starting point of Harris/RJ is the go.

Harris to replace Lebron if he leaves...gives them Love, Harris & RJ as the "core" in Cleveland - which could be very competitive

And Gilbert will want to remain competitive IF Lebron bolts - the feud between them is hilarious to me


Thomas/dumars ring a bell?!

They would be a very good back court though.

Love/harris/RJ would be a terrible core.
Harris is not anywhere near the player bron is, same goes with RJ and kyrie.

The cavs last season with lebron/kryie won 51 games, imagine having a much worse core and what type of record they would have.
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Post#322 » by Pharaoh » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:03 am

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irving/bradley wouldn't even be a top 4 back court in the league much less all time.

Guessing he meant Pistons backcourt All Time dude.

As for Kyrie:

AB is the perfect compliment to him so there's no way I'd trade him in a deal.

RJ has to be included since he's not gonna play 6th Man here when he wouldn't in OKC

Dealing Dre & RJ would be cap savvy as **** IMO!

Assuming it all went south and we watch AB then Kyrie leave we'd have no large deals on the books by then

Cavs likely to hedge their bets though which is why I think a starting point of Harris/RJ is the go.

Harris to replace Lebron if he leaves...gives them Love, Harris & RJ as the "core" in Cleveland - which could be very competitive

And Gilbert will want to remain competitive IF Lebron bolts - the feud between them is hilarious to me


Thomas/dumars ring a bell?!

They would be a very good back court though.

Love/harris/RJ would be a terrible core.
Harris is not anywhere near the player bron is, same goes with RJ and kyrie.

The cavs last season with lebron/kryie won 51 games, imagine having a much worse core and what type of record they would have.

Imagine all those aging vets without Lebron & Kyrie!

With RJ you can run PnRs with Love... surrounded by those shooters? With Harris the young-ish piece that they can have as the secondary weapon behind Love

There is no way Kyrie is returning proven franchise calibre talent IMO, it just doesn't happen when a star wants out.

And yes I know about Joe/Thomas...I was more tryingto make sense of the Kyrie/AB backcourt being All Time...

Potentially top 3 for Detroit depending on IF it ever happens lol
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Post#323 » by SF_Warriors » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:30 am

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Pharaoh wrote:Guessing he meant Pistons backcourt All Time dude.

As for Kyrie:

AB is the perfect compliment to him so there's no way I'd trade him in a deal.

RJ has to be included since he's not gonna play 6th Man here when he wouldn't in OKC

Dealing Dre & RJ would be cap savvy as **** IMO!

Assuming it all went south and we watch AB then Kyrie leave we'd have no large deals on the books by then

Cavs likely to hedge their bets though which is why I think a starting point of Harris/RJ is the go.

Harris to replace Lebron if he leaves...gives them Love, Harris & RJ as the "core" in Cleveland - which could be very competitive

And Gilbert will want to remain competitive IF Lebron bolts - the feud between them is hilarious to me


Thomas/dumars ring a bell?!

They would be a very good back court though.

Love/harris/RJ would be a terrible core.
Harris is not anywhere near the player bron is, same goes with RJ and kyrie.

The cavs last season with lebron/kryie won 51 games, imagine having a much worse core and what type of record they would have.

Imagine all those aging vets without Lebron & Kyrie!

With RJ you can run PnRs with Love... surrounded by those shooters? With Harris the young-ish piece that they can have as the secondary weapon behind Love

There is no way Kyrie is returning proven franchise calibre talent IMO, it just doesn't happen when a star wants out.

And yes I know about Joe/Thomas...I was more tryingto make sense of the Kyrie/AB backcourt being All Time...

Potentially top 3 for Detroit depending on IF it ever happens lol


Like I said, a 51-win team seriously downgrading their two best players is a recipe for disaster. Kevin Love as a number 1 option does not work.
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Time to strike - trade for Irving 

Post#324 » by A_dub06 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:30 am

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A_dub06 wrote:Am I the only one of the opinion that with both Kyrie and Lebron wanting to leave, the Cavs will begin to place a greater importance on draft picks and young talent? If this holds true, I feel that we won't have the right combination of assets to get the deal done if we wanted to unless we stupidly trade multiple unprotected picks.

I'm really shocked at how many people are willing to include Kennard and multiple 1st rounders into a deal to get such a limited systematic player. We weren't on his list nor are we a FA destination making him leaving us in 2 years more likely than not. Kyrie is a proven loser, Lebron is the only one that could change that. If we could somehow trade AB, Harris and say Ellenson for Irving I would pull the trigger because AB will want to get paid like an all-star, Harris while good will never be great and I've hated the Ellenson pick when I even saw it on a mock draft. Kyrie is a good player but not one that guarantees a positive change, nobody should gut their roster or trade every asset they have to get him.


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Sorry but this post is soooo dumb.


Care to elaborate on why? Which paragraph or part do you disagree with? I applaud your ability to discuss basketball related ideas/thoughts in such a mature and intelligent manner


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Post#325 » by Pharaoh » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:37 am

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Pharaoh wrote:
SF_Warriors wrote:
Thomas/dumars ring a bell?!

They would be a very good back court though.

Love/harris/RJ would be a terrible core.
Harris is not anywhere near the player bron is, same goes with RJ and kyrie.

The cavs last season with lebron/kryie won 51 games, imagine having a much worse core and what type of record they would have.

Imagine all those aging vets without Lebron & Kyrie!

With RJ you can run PnRs with Love... surrounded by those shooters? With Harris the young-ish piece that they can have as the secondary weapon behind Love

There is no way Kyrie is returning proven franchise calibre talent IMO, it just doesn't happen when a star wants out.

And yes I know about Joe/Thomas...I was more tryingto make sense of the Kyrie/AB backcourt being All Time...

Potentially top 3 for Detroit depending on IF it ever happens lol


Like I said, a 51-win team seriously downgrading their two best players is a recipe for disaster. Kevin Love as a number 1 option does not work.

Kyrie has demanded a trade...

Perception is Lebron will leave after this season (I disagree)

IF Cleveland wants to tank then cool.

IF Cleveland wants to remain competitive (treadmill) then Love, Harris & RJ gets them that as they wait for the overpaid vets to expire
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Re: Time to strike - trade for Irving 

Post#326 » by bballnmike » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:28 pm

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Re: Time to strike - trade for Irving 

Post#327 » by DETermination » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:33 pm

Lets be real he was never going to be traded to us
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Re: Time to strike - trade for Irving 

Post#328 » by joedumars1 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:38 pm

bballnmike wrote:welp

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I was thinking celts would be a perfect trade partner with cavs, but didn't think Cleveland would pull the trigger. If celts do high picks with it and crowder that's a good haul for cavs.
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Re: Time to strike - trade for Irving 

Post#329 » by Kilo » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:44 pm

Makes sense for both teams. Boston vs Cleveland will be must see tv. Bron pissed at Kyrie, IT pissed at Boston - Kyrie trying to beat Bron etc.

Basically what this trade says is Boston didn't want any part of paying the 29 yr old Isaiah Thomas max money over max years. Get the 25 yr old Kyrie under contract for one, maybe two years and then potentially pay him the super max having his full bird rights.

Cleveland goes all in this season - IT, Crowder makes up their new back court. If James leaves, I expect they let Thomas walk as well and sell Love and do another complete rebuild.
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Re: Time to strike - trade for Irving 

Post#330 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:34 pm

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Re: Time to strike - trade for Irving 

Post#331 » by DETermination » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:40 pm

Celtics gave up way too much imo
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Re: Time to strike - trade for Irving 

Post#332 » by detroitKG » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:43 pm

especially if he bolts when his contract is up...but I'd say the Celtics would have a better chance than most of keeping him..who knows.
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Re: Time to strike - trade for Irving 

Post#333 » by Kilo » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:44 pm

Brooklyn pick is unprotected. That was stupid to give up. They're improved but still a bottom 8 team with decent odds in the lottery.

They've had a lot of turn over now - lost their defensive identity a bit as well.

If Cleveland gets another first overall pick with that Brooklyn pick though I'm done with this league. FACT!
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Re: Time to strike - trade for Irving 

Post#334 » by mattao313 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:45 pm

Cavs might be a better team this season.
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Re: Time to strike - trade for Irving 

Post#335 » by A_dub06 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:55 pm

So happy we can stop discussing a trade for a one trick pony that was never coming here in the first place


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Re: Time to strike - trade for Irving 

Post#336 » by A_dub06 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:55 pm

mattao313 wrote:Cavs might be a better team this season.


If IT's hip holds up definitely agree with this


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Re: Time to strike - trade for Irving 

Post#337 » by theBigLip » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:56 pm

Let's start a new thread for Kyrie...

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