Shams: Cleveland and Boston have agreement on deal to send Kyrie Irving to the Celtics for Isaiah Thomas package to Cavs

AkelaLoneWolf · Post #221 » by **AkelaLoneWolf** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:40 am

Boogie! wrote:irving and thomas are almost the same player tbh... plus the cavs get crowder AND some picks? even in cleveland's **** years, when irving was the go to guy, he's never produced as much as isiah thomas did last year as the celtic's go to guy on a winning team... what are the celtics doing?

yeah the celtics sucked when thomas was on the bench...irving's gonna have to score points AND get the other guys involved. something he's never been able to do in cleveland.
cavs are the clear winner here at this point in time. even if they lose lebron, they have a nice pick to rebuild with.

PhilBlackson · Post #222 » by **PhilBlackson** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:42 am

Johnny Bball wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
No less tough than making the bet based on a hypothetical that will never happen with Gasol.

Which palm reader told you the future?!

Gasol already expressed interest in a trade, MEM has to look at rebuild whether they like it or not. A top 5 pick in a very top heavy draft is about as damn good of a package as they can dream of getting. But maybe the long line in your palm dictates what will happen.

I already can guess what youre palm dictates, but its a family forum.

Nope

jonny three time · Post #223 » by **jonny three time** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:44 am

Celtics overpaid. Plain and simple. They weren't the team that "needed" to make a deal right now. Cleveland was. The only way it's excusable is if Thomas is used goods and is destined to be an awful deadweight contract once he signs his extension.

It's not just IT and the pick. Crowder and his contract have to be seen as good value and zizic is on a rookie deal after being a first rounder. That's a big package to give to a conference rival who was under more pressure than you were.

Between Bradley and Crowder they lost a lot of perimeter defense this summer and replaced them with Morris and Hayward. It's possible they take a step back this year and aren't amazingly suited to become a legit contender the next few years either.

Raps in 4 · Post #224 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:46 am

Boston gets worse with this trade.

It makes sense from a long term perspective though.

C Court · Post #225 » by **C Court** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:47 am

Cleveland wins this deal.

Post #226 » by **pbj** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:57 am

LJKO wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
LJKO wrote:HELL TO THE F'ING YES

Lol. I will bet you $100 that the Warriors will beat the Cavs if they face each other in the 2018 NBA Finals.

No deal that is 1 month worth of protein I'm not looking forward to sacrifice; Also why are you celtics lurking on our board when you have Irving dick sucking on your own board lol? Right I forgot you guys are in shambles and not wanting to admit to it; understandable

Please don't instigate like this. Completely uncalled for. Won't issue a warning this time but I'll be keeping an eye on you.

RonaldArtest · Post #227 » by **RonaldArtest** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:57 am

Ainge must've gotten tired of critics bullying him about his reluctance to deal his high picks for any of the big name players who become available. Overpay by him here though.

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #228 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:59 am

Man, if this falls through IT's going to have his nose out of joint.

It will turn toxic fast, knowing he's as good as gone and wont be getting his pay day (in Boston).

Tofubeque · Post #229 » by **Tofubeque** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:03 am

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Man, if this falls through IT's going to have his nose out of joint.

It will turn toxic fast, knowing he's as good as gone and wont be getting his pay day (in Boston).

And he could very well fail the physical. I doubt his hip looks great at this stage.

hankscorpioLA · Post #230 » by **hankscorpioLA** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:08 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Which palm reader told you the future?!

Gasol already expressed interest in a trade, MEM has to look at rebuild whether they like it or not. A top 5 pick in a very top heavy draft is about as damn good of a package as they can dream of getting. But maybe the long line in your palm dictates what will happen.

I already can guess what youre palm dictates, but its a family forum.

Nah I don't use palm when I got your mom's mouth, I'll have her explain that to you since as you said "it's a family forum".

#keepitinthefamily
#trollingblewupinyourfacetoo

Dude...she's probably like 70 years old. Is that what gets you off? Or are you just so desperate you gotta troll for puss at the buffet? I hear if you want that primo AARP tail you gotta make sure to get there for the early bird.

rapcity10 · Post #231 » by **rapcity10** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:10 am

Jheezus christ it boggles my mind how some of you guys just hate on Boston for the sake of hating on them. They added a guy that's proven to be a complete monster on the big stage. One of the best scorers in the game, just a pure offensive dominant talent. Just imagine him playing with a coach like Brad Stevens. Making him play team ball for once in his career. You guys are out to lunch. Kyrie is a special talent, and he's a guy that when the stage gets brighter his cojones hang lower unlike some of the players on our team. Last year we were hating on the Celtics team cause of "fake all star" Isiah Thomas, and how jar crowder and all their team were scrubs. Haha now they going to miss them??? Now they added a clear superstar point guard with a chance to be the man under a brilliant basketball mind in Brad Stevens. He's gonna become a better defender under Stevens as well and playmaker, that's what elite coaches do. He's only 25 , and locked in for two more years at a bargain contact. The cavs and celtics both won this trade. And if the rumours of D wade heading to Cleveland is true. The NBA is drooling absolutely drooling at an Cavs Celtics ECF. We're gone in the first round this year.

Post #232 » by **pbj** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:11 am

hankscorpioLA wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
I already can guess what youre palm dictates, but its a family forum.

Nah I don't use palm when I got your mom's mouth, I'll have her explain that to you since as you said "it's a family forum".

#keepitinthefamily
#trollingblewupinyourfacetoo

Dude...she's probably like 70 years old. Is that what gets you off? Or are you just so desperate you gotta troll for puss at the buffet? I hear if you want that primo AARP tail you gotta make sure to get there for the early bird.

Everyone stop being pricks to each other now please. I will be very generous with warnings in this thread starting now.

sidsid · Post #233 » by **sidsid** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:11 am

jonny three time wrote:Celtics overpaid. Plain and simple. They weren't the team that "needed" to make a deal right now. Cleveland was. The only way it's excusable is if Thomas is used goods and is destined to be an awful deadweight contract once he signs his extension.

The more I think about it, the IT situation was likely a big motivator to complete this trade regardless of an overpay. Ainge likely made a decision early on in this off-season that he was giving up on short term championship aspirations with IT as a piece (i.e. he didn't want to re-sign him).

Once that decision was made, it becomes tough to see where you get good value for an injured guard on an expiring (and small) contract. The Cavs presented a situation where they are looking for both a short and long term deal. That almost never happens. That's how you end up rationalizing an overpay.

Still disagree with the middle road strategy.

Lateral Quicks · Post #234 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:11 am

Great deal for the Cavs. They arguably improve their current roster, plus get a top pick in the 2018 draft. Plus they save a boatload of luxury tax. Not sure what Boston was thinking here.

Boston has taken some big steps back defensively this off-season.

Badonkadonk · Post #235 » by **Badonkadonk** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:12 am

I'm pretty relieved that this is what has become of the Boston Celtics.

A few years ago, when they had ALL of those 1st rounders and tons of cap space, I thought for sure they'd end up as the Eastern Conference Warriors.

A Kyrie/Horford/Hayword team will be solid, but they're not remotely close to the dynasty I thought they'd become.

Bullet dodged.

Syd-TK3 · Post #236 » by **Syd-TK3** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:15 am

Lol before the trade Celtic fans were saying Brooklyn was the worst in the league, zizic would be a lottery pick this draft and Thomas > Irving

Now all that's changed

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LJKO · Post #237 » by **LJKO** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:18 am

VC720 wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
LJKO wrote:No deal that is 1 month worth of protein I'm not looking forward to sacrifice; Also why are you celtics lurking on our board when you have Irving dick sucking on your own board lol? Right I forgot you guys are in shambles and not wanting to admit to it; understandable

Fine, I will bet you $50.

I will bet you 100 dollars the Celtics won't win a ring in the next 8 years. I will keep my word and unless Im dead by then I will still be on this forum. Deal?

If you lose that bet i'll pay you back VC720 if i'm not banned by then and helping me take that bullet it's admirable; GOD BLESS YOU :cry:

pbj wrote:
LJKO wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Lol. I will bet you $100 that the Warriors will beat the Cavs if they face each other in the 2018 NBA Finals.

No deal that is 1 month worth of protein I'm not looking forward to sacrifice; Also why are you celtics lurking on our board when you have Irving dick sucking on your own board lol? Right I forgot you guys are in shambles and not wanting to admit to it; understandable

Please don't instigate like this. Completely uncalled for. Won't issue a warning this time but I'll be keeping an eye on you.

CeltsfanSinceBirth sorry about my instigation no hard feeling man but i'm still not betting for the unthinkable that you suggested; $100? $50? not even a penny :wink:

SFour · Post #238 » by **SFour** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:23 am

It's gonna be interesting to see what Kyrie can do without Lebron.

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #239 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:24 am

Passed on what looks like a franchise player at #1, then dumps his top 3 players from last year for Irving and Hayward.

Such a strange off season for Boston.

LJKO · Post #240 » by **LJKO** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:24 am

SFour wrote:It's gonna be interesting to see what Kyrie can do without Lebron.

What is the celtics lineup like now?