ATL - Kyrie Dealt to Boston for IT, Crowder, Nets pick, etc Pg 87

[M-C-G]

I think Ainge could have gotten better pieces with those assets before, but I like this deal for both teams. Boston still has the Laker pick next year, the Clipper and Memphis picks the year after plus a good young talented roster. As PP mentioned Coach Stevens ability to harness these guys is what makes or breaks this. It's easy to get Crowders, Bradley, Smart, Olynyk types to fit in to a system and play hard. It's a totally different challenge with Kyrie, to a lesser extent Hayward (both guys want the ball in their hands) and total X factors in Brown/Tatum.

Cleveland got win now and win later pieces that will improve the team for next season and some ammo to press the rebuild button next season. Bron walks, Crowder and Love are traded for rebuilding pieces and their salary cap is one year from being a bunch of expirings. Good move all the way around.

[paulpressey25]

I'd rather have a future with Fultz

I think this angle will end up being more important than the Kyrie/IT trade. Who made the right call here on Fultz v. Tatum?

That's going to determine a lot in the Eastern Conference the next five years.

I'm not enough of a draftnik to have a strong opinion either way. But if one guy becomes and all-star and the other guy Bobby Simmons, we'll have our answer.

[emunney]

Remember the Celtics now have the Lakers pick next year if it falls 2-5 OR the better of Sacramento/Philly in 2019 (#1 overall protected).

[Ron Swanson]

Oh yeah, I would have just picked Fultz #1 and called it a day. But I also crushed the trade-back from #1 initially because I thought that it was vintage Ainge trying to get too cute with with assets. But I think this trade now makes those other moves more sensible.

It pretty much says that he's not gonna overpay mediocre stars like IT and role-players like Bradley and Olynyk. Like PP said, you feel more comfortable paying better players like Hayward and Irving even if those aren't the specific guys that will lead you to a title. They have ample internal growth from young players to bank on.

[Licensed to Il]

I can't remember a nba trade that occured:

- between two conference rivals (and conference final favorites)
- with two all stars at the same position
- with a team getting so much value for a guy (Kyrie) who demanded a trade

I do underatand it from both sides. A lot more has to line up for a scenario like this than talent for talent. Ainge was obviously trying to escape from having to max out IT, as well as avoid the label that he failed to capitilize on trading his asset cache

Im not sure how I would feel if I was Lebron, but this trade does make the east more exciting on many levels.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

Celtics need a center badly.
If they get him, they can win the East. If they don't, the Cavs will cruise again.

they can have John Henson AND Spencer Hawes for that Lakers 2018 #2-#5 pick

[M-C-G]

I'd rather have a future with Fultz

I think this angle will end up being more important than the Kyrie/IT trade. Who made the right call here on Fultz v. Tatum?

That's going to determine a lot in the Eastern Conference the next five years.

I'm not enough of a draftnik to have a strong opinion either way. But if one guy becomes and all-star and the other guy Bobby Simmons, we'll have our answer.

Fultz vs. Tatum + Laker pick

[raferfenix]

I think Ainge regrets not offering more for George and Butler. That'll be doubly so for PG if the Lakers are banned from signing him due to tampering so shamelessly.

Kyrie is an upgrade to IT if only because it pushes off the question of an extension. But that's more valuable to their owner than to fans, especially since they gave up the Nets pick.

Could see things still working out great for them of course if only since they have so many assets to burn.

Basically Ainge needed to start making significant moves and he has now done so -- even if he overplayed his hand and missed some major opportunities this past year.

[LuessiT]

I don't think that this is an overpay from Boston, it's just that prior allstars went for pennies on the Dollar (George, Butler, Cousins).

[Prez]

What this comes down to for me on Boston's end is that after all that's happened, they still don't have one all-time great level talent on their roster right now imo. No KAT, Davis, Giannis, Embiid, Jokic, etc. They had potentially two shots at getting one in next year's draft, that's now down to *maybe* one.

Kyrie does make it easier to get that legit 3rd star in FA, though.

[Bernman]

I agree that Ainge botched the draft too by trading out of the #1 spot. Probably just should have stood pat and taken Fultz. Would have had more projected impact for them than Tatum/1st and been more attractive to dangle in a prospective trade. Ainge did a great job of accumulating assets, but so far hasn't done well in executing their use.

[Ron Swanson]

The only thing that I can really still rip Ainge for is that dumb Horford contract. That will be a bigger hindrance to acquiring another star player than giving up that pick would be IMO. I guess people have really bought into the "Kyrie isn't a winner/just an overrated PPGz guy" thing.

They've built a roster that perfectly suits Stevens' offensive style. A dynamic perimeter scorer surrounded by 3 talented and versatile wings and some solid defensive bigs. They're going all-in on position-less basketball.

[paulpressey25]

I don't think that this is an overpay from Boston, it's just that prior allstars went for pennies on the Dollar (George, Butler, Cousins).

And think part of that is due to how long those players might have stayed in with their new teams. I'm assuming Ainge met with Kryie and they verbally agreed on a contract extension. Kyrie could still bolt in two years but I'm guessing Ainge felt ok with the overpay after those discussions with Kyrie. OKC didn't have that comfort with Paul George. Likely ditto with Jimmy Butler.

[RRyder823]

Trading the pick is fine. I wouldn't have, but whatever. I'd rather have a future with Fultz, Brown, Hayward, a top 2018 pick and whatever I could get for IT and Crowder. It's who they traded it for that's dumbfounding. They wouldn't include it for Paul George or Butler, but they use it in a Kyrie trade? Ainge has had an absolutely idiotic summer, and teams like Milwaukee and Philly stand to benefit. Boston was building a juggernaut and he just dealt what might end up being his best asset.

They wouldn't trade it for PG because they wouldn't be able to keep him. Butler. Sure fine. Bring him up. But God damn people need to stop bringing up PG

And good lord. It's entirely possible Ainge simply didn't rate Fultz as high as everyone else and decided to pick up an extra pick
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[paulpressey25]

Fultz vs. Tatum + Laker pick

Yep. Forgot that angle. If the Laker or Kings pick ends up being an all-star then it too impacts the Fultz/Tatum debate.

Damn I love this trade. So many angles with these teams to discuss.

[ReasonablySober]

Trading the pick is fine. I wouldn't have, but whatever. I'd rather have a future with Fultz, Brown, Hayward, a top 2018 pick and whatever I could get for IT and Crowder. It's who they traded it for that's dumbfounding. They wouldn't include it for Paul George or Butler, but they use it in a Kyrie trade? Ainge has had an absolutely idiotic summer, and teams like Milwaukee and Philly stand to benefit. Boston was building a juggernaut and he just dealt what might end up being his best asset.

They wouldn't trade it for PG because they wouldn't be able to keep him. Butler. Sure fine. Bring him up. But God damn people need to stop bringing up PG

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And they're a lock to keep Kyrie?

[RRyder823]

Trading the pick is fine. I wouldn't have, but whatever. I'd rather have a future with Fultz, Brown, Hayward, a top 2018 pick and whatever I could get for IT and Crowder. It's who they traded it for that's dumbfounding. They wouldn't include it for Paul George or Butler, but they use it in a Kyrie trade? Ainge has had an absolutely idiotic summer, and teams like Milwaukee and Philly stand to benefit. Boston was building a juggernaut and he just dealt what might end up being his best asset.

They wouldn't trade it for PG because they wouldn't be able to keep him. Butler. Sure fine. Bring him up. But God damn people need to stop bringing up PG

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And they're a lock to keep Kyrie?

A hell of alot more likely then PG. You know that. Don't act like it's close to equal odds

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[M-C-G]

Trading the pick is fine. I wouldn't have, but whatever. I'd rather have a future with Fultz, Brown, Hayward, a top 2018 pick and whatever I could get for IT and Crowder. It's who they traded it for that's dumbfounding. They wouldn't include it for Paul George or Butler, but they use it in a Kyrie trade? Ainge has had an absolutely idiotic summer, and teams like Milwaukee and Philly stand to benefit. Boston was building a juggernaut and he just dealt what might end up being his best asset.

They wouldn't trade it for PG because they wouldn't be able to keep him. Butler. Sure fine. Bring him up. But God damn people need to stop bringing up PG

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And they're a lock to keep Kyrie?

Wasn't Boston on his trade list? If so, I'd say it is pretty close top a lock. In the PG instance, you had that not only was he not resigning with whoever he was traded to, but that he already intended to go the Lakers. Big difference in my opinion.