Shams: Cleveland and Boston have agreement on deal to send Kyrie Irving to the Celtics for Isaiah Thomas package to Cavs

[KL78192020]

Boston won this trade in my opinion

1) Thomas has one year left on his deal and is looking for the MAX to be thrown at him. He is 29 years old and is coming off a hip injury that will have him sidelined to start the season. Irving has 2 years remaining on his deal and allows the celtics more flexibility to fit their time frame.

2) Kyrie is a 25 year old all-star point guard that is poised for a breakout in Brad Stevens system. Just look what Brad was able to do with Thomas last year, he will make life much easier for Kyrie.

3) Kyrie Irving is already a better player than Thomas. Irving gives you better percentages across the board, had a lower usage rate throughout the season while playing more minutes than Thomas.

4) Consistency. Irving shows up when it matters in the playoffs.... Thomas on the other hand turns into playoff Lowry when the bright lights come on.

5) Picks. How many picks do they need? the celtics just had back to back top 3 picks and have the Lakers pick this year and a handful of other picks in 2019 they could afford to part ways with the Nets pick. They had the opportunity to get an Superstar point guard for a guy that they didn't even plan on paying and a draft pick.

I think a lot of people are sleeping on Kyrie Irving because they think LeBon "MADE" him who he is. Kyrie will finish top 3 in the MVP race this year and prove a lot of people wrong. He is no longer in the shadow of LeBron and is now playing for one of the best coaches in the NBA running one of the best systems in the league.

Well said. Thank you.

Cavs record without Lebron in the past three years. 4-23 yup Kyrie is great.

[Johnny Bball]

Gilbert is gone

When did he sell the franchise?

I was thinking David Griffin, my bad.

Well you could have confused the owner with new GM Altman instead.

[Raps in 4]

this move makes both teams better, imo

Boston has upgraded at the point of attack. Irving is a player that will excel under Stevens and him playing in Thomas' role from last year will be so much better at it. They have had a very good offseason. Losing Bradley hurts them, but will be offset by the additions of yrie, Morris and of course Hayward. They will be the top 1-2 team in the East again next season depending on how hard Lebron tries in the regular season

Cavs have added some depth, IT playing off Lebron will fill the roll as well as Irving was in that roll(which limited Irving) Crowder will be a nice addition for them as well, but I question as to where he plays. I do not think Crowder can play sg or pf so that might make Lebron play more PF if the 2 are going to share the floor.

BAd for raptors, seeing how they have set themselves up for the next 3 years, and Boston is looking to be better than us for those 3 years, and their future assets for season 4- are ALOT better than ours.

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Boston will be better than us. We still have the best player on either team. We also matched up extremely well against them last year. Irving doesn't improve their defence at all, although he might give Lowry more trouble offensively than IT did. Hayward is the X-factor really. I think we'll be pretty close this year, considering the gap between us last season (they've closed the gap, but I don't know if they've pulled ahead).

They are better. They were better last season and they improved...we got worse

We dominated the season series against them last year.

We also had the better point differential.

We were unquestionably the better team.

[Potential]

Cavs are really deep. LeBron goes for his 5th ring right now if KD wasn't a snake!!!!

[Mr Burns]

Boston won this trade in my opinion

1) Thomas has one year left on his deal and is looking for the MAX to be thrown at him. He is 29 years old and is coming off a hip injury that will have him sidelined to start the season. Irving has 2 years remaining on his deal and allows the celtics more flexibility to fit their time frame.

2) Kyrie is a 25 year old all-star point guard that is poised for a breakout in Brad Stevens system. Just look what Brad was able to do with Thomas last year, he will make life much easier for Kyrie.

3) Kyrie Irving is already a better player than Thomas. Irving gives you better percentages across the board, had a lower usage rate throughout the season while playing more minutes than Thomas.

4) Consistency. Irving shows up when it matters in the playoffs.... Thomas on the other hand turns into playoff Lowry when the bright lights come on.

5) Picks. How many picks do they need? the celtics just had back to back top 3 picks and have the Lakers pick this year and a handful of other picks in 2019 they could afford to part ways with the Nets pick. They had the opportunity to get an Superstar point guard for a guy that they didn't even plan on paying and a draft pick.

I think a lot of people are sleeping on Kyrie Irving because they think LeBon "MADE" him who he is. Kyrie will finish top 3 in the MVP race this year and prove a lot of people wrong. He is no longer in the shadow of LeBron and is now playing for one of the best coaches in the NBA running one of the best systems in the league.

Well said. Thank you.

Cavs record without Lebron in the past three years. 4-23 yup Kyrie is great.

27 games in 3 years and you make a statement like that. Nice sample size bud. I bet you didn't even factor in the games Kyrie missed while LeBron was out as well.

[durtysix]

Kirie top 3 in the MVP race?
Care to make it interesting?

[Bankai]

Who needs a GM or scouting staff when you have Gilbert!

Gilbert is gone

And im willing to also bet my account with Mr.Burns that Irving doesent become half the player Mr.Burns thinks he is going to be as a Celtic. Im willing to throw this account away to prove him wrong.

Bet me your account then.

I think plenty of people here would take the bet. Your on. You really think Irving is Top 3 MVP next season huh?

[Young_Buc]

Flame away

Lowry + Derozan + Ibaka = Kyrie + Hayward + Horford

You guys love Shiney new toys like mad.

[Young_Buc]

Kirie top 3 in the MVP race?
Care to make it interesting?

Kyrie won't play 70 games. I'm definitely down to make this interesting.

[Mr Burns]

Gilbert is gone

And im willing to also bet my account with Mr.Burns that Irving doesent become half the player Mr.Burns thinks he is going to be as a Celtic. Im willing to throw this account away to prove him wrong.

Bet me your account then.

I think plenty of people here would take the bet. Your on. You really think Irving is Top 3 MVP next season huh?

You said he won't be half that player and are willing to bet your account on it. So what is half of a top 3 MVP candidate?

[islandboy53]

The only PG better than Irving in the east is John Wall and that's even debatable.You're acting like a 25 year old can't improve he was already putting up star numbers as the number 2 option. Now he is the face of the Celtics and will be put in a system that is run by a top 5 coach in the NBA. Look what Brad Stevens was able to do with Thomas, Irving is the better player and will showcase his talents once the season starts. Like i said man, save my quotes and we will address this later on in the season.

Your quotes are always worth saving.

Thanks for adding something of value to the discussion, now do us all a favour and go **** yourself.

Wow. That's why you are one of my favourite posters.

BTW, you're welcome to your opinion on Irving's relative value as a PG (clearly you think very highly of that opinion) but #1 or 2 in the east? That's a stretch. As to serious MVP candidate in waiting, no, not even in the conversation at this point.

[Mr Burns]

Your quotes are always worth saving.

Thanks for adding something of value to the discussion, now do us all a favour and go **** yourself.

Wow. That's why you are one of my favourite posters.

BTW, you're welcome to your opinion on Irving's relative value as a PG (clearly you think very highly of that opinion) but #1 or 2 in the east? That's a stretch. As to serious MVP candidate in waiting, no, not even in the conversation at this point.

Congrats you don't like my posts, I don't care.

Tier 1 PGs
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
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Tier 2 PGs
Lowry
Thomas
Walker

You don't have to agree, this is my opinion.

[Hero]

Kirie top 3 in the MVP race?
Care to make it interesting?

Kyrie won't play 70 games. I'm definitely down to make this interesting.

Isn't Kyrie's record without LeBron absolutely abysmal.

[navyblue]

Kirie top 3 in the MVP race?
Care to make it interesting?

Kyrie won't play 70 games. I'm definitely down to make this interesting.

Isn't Kyrie's record without LeBron absolutely abysmal.

somebody posted this a few posts up
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Cavs record without Lebron in the past three years. 4-23 yup Kyrie is great.

not to mention the terrible years pre lebron.

[Raps in 4]

Thanks for adding something of value to the discussion, now do us all a favour and go **** yourself.

Wow. That's why you are one of my favourite posters.

BTW, you're welcome to your opinion on Irving's relative value as a PG (clearly you think very highly of that opinion) but #1 or 2 in the east? That's a stretch. As to serious MVP candidate in waiting, no, not even in the conversation at this point.

Congrats you don't like my posts, I don't care.

Tier 1 PGs
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
----------------
Tier 2 PGs
Lowry
Thomas
Walker

You don't have to agree, this is my opinion.

It's not an opinion based on any facts though, which makes it pretty irrelevant. And that's what makes any argument on this point such a challenge. You "believe" that Irving is a generational talent based on "what you've seen".

[Mr Burns]

Wow. That's why you are one of my favourite posters.

BTW, you're welcome to your opinion on Irving's relative value as a PG (clearly you think very highly of that opinion) but #1 or 2 in the east? That's a stretch. As to serious MVP candidate in waiting, no, not even in the conversation at this point.

Congrats you don't like my posts, I don't care.

Tier 1 PGs
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
----------------
Tier 2 PGs
Lowry
Thomas
Walker

You don't have to agree, this is my opinion.

It's not an opinion based on any facts though, which makes it pretty irrelevant. And that's what makes any argument on this point such a challenge. You "believe" that Irving is a generational talent based on "what you've seen".

Any stat I give you you just pass it off as "he was riding lebron" when you learn to get off LeBrons jock and actually give credit to Kyrie we can have a proper discussion.

[islandboy53]

Thanks for adding something of value to the discussion, now do us all a favour and go **** yourself.

Wow. That's why you are one of my favourite posters.

BTW, you're welcome to your opinion on Irving's relative value as a PG (clearly you think very highly of that opinion) but #1 or 2 in the east? That's a stretch. As to serious MVP candidate in waiting, no, not even in the conversation at this point.

Congrats you don't like my posts, I don't care.

Tier 1 PGs
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
----------------
Tier 2 PGs
Lowry
Thomas
Walker

You don't have to agree, this is my opinion.

I don't agree. Some do, many don't. But you're welcome to the opinion. Your arrogance is annoying, but that's clearly just who you are, no need to apologize. The "go **** yourself" was uncalled for. An apology would be appropriate.

[Raps in 4]

Congrats you don't like my posts, I don't care.

Tier 1 PGs
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
----------------
Tier 2 PGs
Lowry
Thomas
Walker

You don't have to agree, this is my opinion.

It's not an opinion based on any facts though, which makes it pretty irrelevant. And that's what makes any argument on this point such a challenge. You "believe" that Irving is a generational talent based on "what you've seen".

Any stat I give you you just pass it off as "he was riding lebron" when you learn to get off LeBrons jock and actually give credit to Kyrie we can have a proper discussion.

What stat would that be? His playoff numbers? He was hardly a world beater. Just a great player, much like he is during the regular season. He hasn't shown anything (statistically) to indicate he's an MVP-level talent, or will be.

[islandboy53]

Congrats you don't like my posts, I don't care.

Tier 1 PGs
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
----------------
Tier 2 PGs
Lowry
Thomas
Walker

You don't have to agree, this is my opinion.

It's not an opinion based on any facts though, which makes it pretty irrelevant. And that's what makes any argument on this point such a challenge. You "believe" that Irving is a generational talent based on "what you've seen".

Any stat I give you you just pass it off as "he was riding lebron" when you learn to get off LeBrons jock and actually give credit to Kyrie we can have a proper discussion.

Tracking down supportive stats is hard work. And, as you say, it's open to debate as to which stats are the most persuasive when we're looking at a group of players who are relatively comparable (eg. Wall, Lowry, IT, Irving, Walker is as defensible as your perspective). It's much easier just to push your narrative loudly till everyone else gets tired of the discussion and moves on. Doesn't mean you're right, but believe it if you like.

[Mr Burns]

It's not an opinion based on any facts though, which makes it pretty irrelevant. And that's what makes any argument on this point such a challenge. You "believe" that Irving is a generational talent based on "what you've seen".

Any stat I give you you just pass it off as "he was riding lebron" when you learn to get off LeBrons jock and actually give credit to Kyrie we can have a proper discussion.

What stat would that be? His playoff numbers? He was hardly a world beater. Just a great player, much like he is during the regular season. He hasn't shown anything (statistically) to indicate he's an MVP-level talent, or will be.

24 year old just turned 25 in march and averaged 26ppg 5apg 3rpg 1.5spg shooting 47%fg 40%3pt 90%ft throughout the past two playoff runs for the cavs as a #2 option.

FInals this year: 29ppg 4rpg 4apg 1spg 47%FG 42% 3pt 90%FT
Last years finals: 27ppg 4rpg 4apg 2spg 47%FG 40% 3pt 94% FT

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