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[Neeva]

The nets will be terrible come on now lol

[Oriole8159]

The nets will be terrible come on now lol

they'll be bad for sure, but they have no motivation to tank like a lot of other bad teams will have, so by the end of the year they may creep up the rankings alot higher than their overall talent may dictate.

you can win some games late with a core of DRuss, Mozgov, Crabbe, Carroll, Lin, Levert, Allen, Hollis-Jefferson, Booker. It's not terrible if a decent amount of the teams you'll be playing against aren't trying.

[karch34]

They'll be terrible, but assuming the Nets will be the worst team and the pick is automatically 1-4 next year isn't as much of a sure thing that some make it out to be.

Love IT, but not sure I would want to have my team deciding if they have to give him the max. Also when we were talking about acquiring Irving I don't recall many people having IT listed clearly ahead of him as a player as there appears to be now.

[southern wolf]

No way Boston won this trade in any kind of scenario for me... No way

I know I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and that's fine.
But IT is a weird commodity right now. With him being on the last year of his deal and with Bos not wanting to commit to him long term, it puts them in a weird predicament.

Since they envision themselves as title contenders now, they can't trade him mid season for lesser player(s)/picks and throw away this season. A package like IND got for Paul George doesn't do them any good in the short term, or the long term, so trying to trade him for pennies on the dollar just to say they didn't lose him for nothing, isn't attractive.

If they play out the year and let IT walk, then a standalone package of Crowder/Zizic/BKN's pick isn't enough to get them a superstar player to replace IT either. By doing the deal now, they get Irving cost controlled for an additional year, and get two years in total to try and convince him to re-sign.

I know I'm not going to convince you, but you have to look at it from a business standpoint for it to make any sense of why Bos would do this.

That Brooklyn pick could turn into a #1 which absolutely could turn into a superstar player.

[Oriole8159]

No way Boston won this trade in any kind of scenario for me... No way

I know I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and that's fine.
But IT is a weird commodity right now. With him being on the last year of his deal and with Bos not wanting to commit to him long term, it puts them in a weird predicament.

Since they envision themselves as title contenders now, they can't trade him mid season for lesser player(s)/picks and throw away this season. A package like IND got for Paul George doesn't do them any good in the short term, or the long term, so trying to trade him for pennies on the dollar just to say they didn't lose him for nothing, isn't attractive.

If they play out the year and let IT walk, then a standalone package of Crowder/Zizic/BKN's pick isn't enough to get them a superstar player to replace IT either. By doing the deal now, they get Irving cost controlled for an additional year, and get two years in total to try and convince him to re-sign.

I know I'm not going to convince you, but you have to look at it from a business standpoint for it to make any sense of why Bos would do this.

That Brooklyn pick could turn into a #1 which absolutely could turn into a superstar player.

yeah in 2-3 years maybe, and that's after already waiting until 2018 to actually make the selection.

even the best rated players are coming into the league less and less prepared to be complete, all around players capable of immediately contributing to a championship team. I mean just look at Wiggins; he was as highly touted as any guys coming out next year and after 3 years we still don't really know fully what his finished product will be.

Kyrie is already a bonafide superstar on day 1 and is just entering his prime. so you're trading away a pick that could become a superstar in 3-4 years for a guy that you already know is a superstar from Day 1.

[KGdaBom]

I know I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and that's fine.
But IT is a weird commodity right now. With him being on the last year of his deal and with Bos not wanting to commit to him long term, it puts them in a weird predicament.

Since they envision themselves as title contenders now, they can't trade him mid season for lesser player(s)/picks and throw away this season. A package like IND got for Paul George doesn't do them any good in the short term, or the long term, so trying to trade him for pennies on the dollar just to say they didn't lose him for nothing, isn't attractive.

If they play out the year and let IT walk, then a standalone package of Crowder/Zizic/BKN's pick isn't enough to get them a superstar player to replace IT either. By doing the deal now, they get Irving cost controlled for an additional year, and get two years in total to try and convince him to re-sign.

I know I'm not going to convince you, but you have to look at it from a business standpoint for it to make any sense of why Bos would do this.

That Brooklyn pick could turn into a #1 which absolutely could turn into a superstar player.

yeah in 2-3 years maybe, and that's after already waiting until 2018 to actually make the selection.

even the best rated players are coming into the league less and less prepared to be complete, all around players capable of immediately contributing to a championship team. I mean just look at Wiggins; he was as highly touted as any guys coming out next year and after 3 years we still don't really know fully what his finished product will be.

Kyrie is already a bonafide superstar on day 1 and is just entering his prime. so you're trading away a pick that could become a superstar in 3-4 years for a guy that you already know is a superstar from Day 1.

According to who is Kyrie a superstar? According to most he is somewhere between the 8th to 11th best PG in the league About the 30th to 50th best player. That is not a superstar.

[Takingbaconback]

Cavs need to trade the 1st round pick for a win now piece. Possibly package Love out too if it means a better return. Personally I don't think they are even getting out of the East and beating the Celtics as it is, and there is no way they are beating the Warriors.

If they don't win the Championship, LeBron is LeGone, IT shouldn't be retained with a big deal at that point, and they just traded Kyrie Irving, a 1st overall pick that has already proven his 1st overall status for an unknown Brooklyn pick that could range from 1-5 realistically.

Celtics wanted to trade IT away, they weren't going to keep him for the max or big money. They got Irving with an extra year attached to him AND closed the gap on the Cavs. Let's face it, Lebron has never been a good closer. When the Celtics play the Cavs in a series, the best finisher and closer will be Irving. Would you really be surprised if LeBron is unable to pull through in the clutch and top what Kyrie does in the last two minutes?

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Btw Jaylen Brown by the end of the regular season will be on your top 5 list of shut down guys alongside MKG, Kawhi, and Butler. And they got Tatum off the bench? Talk about making things easy for your rookies, they are just going to ask him to do what he does best.

I love what Celtics did, they made their move a year earlier than when most people envisioned, and that usually works very well for sport franchises. If a team has to address a problem after it has risen, it is a year too late imo and Ainge did a great job flipping to the next chapter.

[Oriole8159]

That Brooklyn pick could turn into a #1 which absolutely could turn into a superstar player.

yeah in 2-3 years maybe, and that's after already waiting until 2018 to actually make the selection.

even the best rated players are coming into the league less and less prepared to be complete, all around players capable of immediately contributing to a championship team. I mean just look at Wiggins; he was as highly touted as any guys coming out next year and after 3 years we still don't really know fully what his finished product will be.

Kyrie is already a bonafide superstar on day 1 and is just entering his prime. so you're trading away a pick that could become a superstar in 3-4 years for a guy that you already know is a superstar from Day 1.

According to who is Kyrie a superstar? According to most he is somewhere between the 8th to 11th best PG in the league About the 30th to 50th best player. That is not a superstar.

I'm not going to try and make this a semantics argument about what does and doesn't constitute a "superstar." Kyrie is a 4 time all star in the prime of his career, with NBA finals individual success, and with a great contract for the next 2 years. call that what you want, but its something that team needs.

even considering there are supposed to be talented players coming into this draft, the likelihood that they eclipse Kyrie is small; and even if they do, how many years does the team that drafted them have to wait for them to hit that point? Kyrie is ready to push them into the finals from Day 1.

that's really the question at hand here. The original poster said that the #1 pick may become a superstar, but let's use your take and say Kyrie is a Top 30 player already. A top 30 player, but in the prime of his career, is very comparable to a player with a potentially higher ceiling but that may not hit that for 3-4 years, and that may never even become the Top 30 player that Kyrie already is.

Gambling that a future asset will automatically become better than an already proven 4 time all star in the prime of their career, is risky.

[southern wolf]

The nets will be terrible come on now lol

they'll be bad for sure, but they have no motivation to tank like a lot of other bad teams will have, so by the end of the year they may creep up the rankings alot higher than their overall talent may dictate.

you can win some games late with a core of DRuss, Mozgov, Crabbe, Carroll, Lin, Levert, Allen, Hollis-Jefferson, Booker. It's not terrible if a decent amount of the teams you'll be playing against aren't trying.

Brooklyn haven't had motivation to tank for the past two seasons and they've still been terrible. And they'll be terrible again.

[KGdaBom]

yeah in 2-3 years maybe, and that's after already waiting until 2018 to actually make the selection.

even the best rated players are coming into the league less and less prepared to be complete, all around players capable of immediately contributing to a championship team. I mean just look at Wiggins; he was as highly touted as any guys coming out next year and after 3 years we still don't really know fully what his finished product will be.

Kyrie is already a bonafide superstar on day 1 and is just entering his prime. so you're trading away a pick that could become a superstar in 3-4 years for a guy that you already know is a superstar from Day 1.

According to who is Kyrie a superstar? According to most he is somewhere between the 8th to 11th best PG in the league About the 30th to 50th best player. That is not a superstar.

I'm not going to try and make this a semantics argument about what does and doesn't constitute a "superstar." Kyrie is a 4 time all star in the prime of his career, with NBA finals individual success, and with a great contract for the next 2 years. call that what you want, but its something that team needs.

even considering there are supposed to be talented players coming into this draft, the likelihood that they eclipse Kyrie is small; and even if they do, how many years does the team that drafted them have to wait for them to hit that point? Kyrie is ready to push them into the finals from Day 1.

that's really the question at hand here. The original poster said that the #1 pick may become a superstar, but let's use your take and say Kyrie is a Top 30 player already. A top 30 player, but in the prime of his career, is very comparable to a player with a potentially higher ceiling but that may not hit that for 3-4 years, and that may never even become the Top 30 player that Kyrie already is.

Gambling that a future asset will automatically become better than an already proven 4 time all star in the prime of their career, is risky.

You're forgetting Thomas who if healthy is better than Irving by himself. I wasn't even factoring in Crowder or the#1 pick to consider Cleveland the short term winner of the trade. Irving being younger does have the better long term value. However, I'm beginning to think that this injury might be serious.

[Alwaysrightguy]

Oops, no wonder Danny boy threw in that Brooklyn pick! I still would not have done it this soon.

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[bake51]

Good trade for both sides. No way would I give IT a max even without the injury. And Kyrie is better than Thomas.

[Alwaysrightguy]

Good trade for both sides. No way would I give IT a max even without the injury. And Kyrie is better than Thomas.

Reminiscent of the warriors not giving Steph that big $ because if his ankles. Somebody will give him a max contract unless his hip is a career ender which I doubt. Kyrie is better but Jae and IT should have been enough. That Brooklyn pick was added because Danny had worries about the hip no doubt. Cavs win this trade anyway you look at it. When LeBron leaves they get a top 3 pick and can sign IT if they choose plus they still have Klove and TT...no rebuild here.

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[LibertyPrime]

Wasn't a torn labrum the same thing that ruined Jonny Flynn's career? Maybe Boston knew what they were doing after all.

[Neeva]

Now Boston will have to throw in the La pick too Lol

[big3_8_19_21]

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Hi Ricky

[King Malta]

Wasn't a torn labrum the same thing that ruined Jonny Flynn's career? Maybe Boston knew what they were doing after all.

Did they though?

Looks like their cuteness is going to cost them even more. Considering they could've had their choice of Butler, PG and Cousins (looking at the below-par returns those guys were traded for)and still probably could've been able to beat most offers anyone else was going to put forward for Kyrie, I honestly think this reflects badly on their FO.

[southern wolf]

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Hi Ricky

We trade him away and all of a sudden he gets a sleeve tat and a man bun. What will the mormons in Salt Lake think?

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[Oriole8159]

The nets will be terrible come on now lol

they'll be bad for sure, but they have no motivation to tank like a lot of other bad teams will have, so by the end of the year they may creep up the rankings alot higher than their overall talent may dictate.

you can win some games late with a core of DRuss, Mozgov, Crabbe, Carroll, Lin, Levert, Allen, Hollis-Jefferson, Booker. It's not terrible if a decent amount of the teams you'll be playing against aren't trying.

Brooklyn haven't had motivation to tank for the past two seasons and they've still been terrible. And they'll be terrible again.

just look at this list of players I provided.
do you not see D Russell, Mozgov, Crabbe, Carroll, J Allen? none of those players were with the Nets last year, so why would you bring last year's team up as applicable? That's five big new pieces for them, 3 with good NBA, veteran experience and one a former #2 pick trying to resurrect his career.
plus alot of people see caris lavert as a guy ready to take the next steps before.

your follow up just looks silly if you ask me.