Poetry-In-Motion wrote:CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Poetry-In-Motion wrote:
Incorrect. Not impossible. Smart, Bradley (traded anyways), Crowder (traded anyways), BKN 2018 Unprotected Pick, and Jaylen Brown for Jimmy Butler works and makes space to sign Hayward to a max deal, and still keeping IT and drafting Markelle Fultz.
Bulls only approached the Celtics for the 2018 Nets pick after they had made the trade with Philly. And Ainge sure as hell wasn't going to give up Bradley, Crowder and Brown for Butler. That's what the Bulls demanded in 2016 at the draft for him (3rd pick, not Brown).
Bulls only settled on asking for the 2018 Nets pick when it became apparent in June that they wanted to start their rebuild.
My argument is that the Celtics had the opportunity to sign Hayward to the max, trade for Butler, and draft Fultz. We both agree on the 2018 Nets Pick being discussed for Butler in early June, and therefore, they were able to make a deal central on that pick and not the 2017 Pick. Ainge "sure as hell" not giving up on Bradley, Crowder, and Brown for Butler is irrelevant to the point. All I am saying is that they had the the opportunity to sign Hayward to the max, trade for Butler, and draft Fultz.
By the way, the only difference between what actually occurred is that Jaylen Brown was kept, therefore any complaints that it would be too much does not make sense to me.
Bradley was traded. Crowder was traded. Fultz was traded. Thomas was traded. The 2018 Unprotected Nets Pick was traded.
And for all of that... the Celtics got... Kyrie Irving, Tatum, Marcus Morris and the 2018 Lakers (or 2019 yada yada pick).
When we pretty much agree that Bradley, Crowder, Brown, and 2018 Nets pick for Butler would have been a for sure transaction (with Bulls maybe sending back a late future pick), and they would have still been able to make space to sign Hayward (if it is dealing Smart for relief and pick), draft Fultz, and keep Isaiah Thomas.
And personally, if you gave me the options of having
A) Butler, Thomas, Fultz, and Zizic
or
B) Irving, Morris, Brown, Tatum, and Smart
I am taking group A in a New York minute.
All of these hypothetical scenarios that did not happen aside, I just felt, Ainge had a below average summer in terms of trades and asset management (just for this summer). But the overall offseason will always start with an atleast an A- because they acquired Hayward for free through free agency.
I just think in terms of trades... they essentially traded Fultz, Thomas, Crowder, Zizic, Bradley, and the 2018 Unprotected Nets Pick for Irving, Morris, Tatum, and the 2018 Lakers (or 2019 yada yada pick) which I think is paying $2 for $1. And there were scenarios for better players for a cheaper price (in terms of assets) just two and a half months ago. I do understand though there would be a point where Ainge would probably have to give up more assets than he should just based on the clutter of assets he has.
But I get your views if you like the trade... I ain't going down a rabbit hole further. I think Boston gave up way too much for what they got back.
Typo...corrected. My bad CeltsFanSinceBirth
I meant to say...
"And personally, if you gave me the options of having
A) Butler, Thomas, Fultz, and Zizic
or
B) Irving, Morris, Brown, Tatum, and Smart"
With Hayward being on both.
Alright enough with this BS. Cheers.
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