ATL - New Lottery Rules Move to Owner Vote - pg59

[Rainwater]

There's more to basketball than creating, or whatever.

And being a good 3D player or "whatever" doesn't make you top 30 player.

Is Rudy Gobert a top 30 player? He isn't creating ****.

Rudy Gobert is a potional all-star while Jae is a role player, if you want to equate the two and believe they are on the same tier or have the same impact be my guess but I won't join you.

[mattg]

Also, people need to stop calling Michael Porter JR a generational talent. He's not even a top 5 prospect of the last 5 years let alone generational. He can't change ends, struggles massively with lateral movement, doesn't compete defensively, doesn't make decisions, has weak ball skills, and doesn't create space for himself well. He is a good shooter at 6'10 who is a very good athlete in a straight line. But he relies on shooting over defenders and can struggle to create easy offense. Obviously the kid has some big time scoring chops but he's gonna be one dimensional in the NBA and is sort of between positions.

As far as Crowder goes, he's my candidate for the next Demarre Carrol. Guy who cuts his teeth as an hard working 3+D player. But once he's earned recognition and people see his value he starts believing he's better than he is. Crowder has already bitched about not getting more touches on offense and is visibly slowing down laterally.

He is behind Simmons/KAT/AD/Bagley but ahead of everyone else. That's a fine pick. He is actually fairly comparable to Simmons. I disagree about decision making and creating easy offense and defensively to a point (he has the physical tools to be a plus defender though consistency wasn't always a priority). I was REALLY impressed in the multiple games I saw him. Obviously HS kids aren't going to be finished products but he was more of one than I recall seeing.

Are you positive Porter Jr is even a better prospect than Ayton or Mo Bamba also in his own class? Upside on those guys is KAT+ and Gobert with a J.

Either way it's tangential and not important, all those guys are great prospects, but Porter Jr isn't generational is the point. How much better is he than pre-injury Jabari Parker as a prospect?

[HurricaneKid]

Also, people need to stop calling Michael Porter JR a generational talent. He's not even a top 5 prospect of the last 5 years let alone generational. He can't change ends, struggles massively with lateral movement, doesn't compete defensively, doesn't make decisions, has weak ball skills, and doesn't create space for himself well. He is a good shooter at 6'10 who is a very good athlete in a straight line. But he relies on shooting over defenders and can struggle to create easy offense. Obviously the kid has some big time scoring chops but he's gonna be one dimensional in the NBA and is sort of between positions.

As far as Crowder goes, he's my candidate for the next Demarre Carrol. Guy who cuts his teeth as an hard working 3+D player. But once he's earned recognition and people see his value he starts believing he's better than he is. Crowder has already bitched about not getting more touches on offense and is visibly slowing down laterally.

He is behind Simmons/KAT/AD/Bagley but ahead of everyone else. That's a fine pick. He is actually fairly comparable to Simmons. I disagree about decision making and creating easy offense and defensively to a point (he has the physical tools to be a plus defender though consistency wasn't always a priority). I was REALLY impressed in the multiple games I saw him. Obviously HS kids aren't going to be finished products but he was more of one than I recall seeing.

Are you positive Porter Jr is even a better prospect than Ayton or Mo Bamba also in his own class? Upside on those guys is KAT+ and Gobert with a J.

Either way it's tangential and not important, all those guys are great prospects, but Porter Jr isn't generational is the point. How much better is he than pre-injury Jabari Parker as a prospect?

Pre-injury as in the foot injury that had Parker as the #4 recruit entering college?

Have you seen Bamba and Ayton? Gobert with a stroke? I cannot imagine you have.

He isnt LeBron. He isnt DRob. I dont love him. But he is a great talent and is worth more than Kyrie alone. And top 5 prospect over a 5 year period is a great talent whether he pans out or not.

[Ron Swanson]

Noel reportedly turned down $17.5 mil per year from DAL. Rich Paul strikes again.

[HurricaneKid]

Noel reportedly turned down $17.5 mil per year from DAL. Rich Paul strikes again.

Its not even JUST that no team has that much money to spend under the cap to sign him.

His QO is ~4M. Even if he signed a 3 year MAX after that (he won't) he would end up with ~82M. So he is risking ~66M with a possible (and highly unlikely) upside of ~12M. WITH AN INJURY RIDDLED HISTORY.

To make matters WORSE, Dallas KNOWS they aren't competing for a Championship and you KNOW Cuban would rather lose games than win them at this point so if this DOES go into the season Noel loses his 4M and Dallas gets what they want. AND THEY CAN STILL MATCH OTHER OFFERS.

He saw the deals guys got a year ago and decided he wanted in. He has LESS THAN ZERO LEVERAGE. I cannot believe Dal even offered that much.

[Ron Swanson]

Yep, which is why I'm amazed that any player would hire Rich Paul as their agent anymore. Other than the Lebron connection, his reputation is entirely living off the deal he got for Tristan Thompson (which was also in large part due to Lebron). Dude consistently gives his clients horrible advice (Bledsoe, KCP). I guess the Lebron factor really is that much of a draw for players. He's like the dumb version of Drew Rosenhaus.

[LikeABosh]

Crowder is the 4th best player on his team - No way he is top 30

MKE - Crowder, Love, Rose, Mills
CLE - Parker, Monroe, Dellavadova, Teletovic, MKE 1st 2018, MKE 1st 2020, LMA
SA - Frye, Shump, CLE 1st

Haven't checked salaries, but makes sense for all parties involved imo

It really doesn't

[chonestown]

Crowder is the 4th best player on his team - No way he is top 30

MKE - Crowder, Love, Rose, Mills
CLE - Parker, Monroe, Dellavadova, Teletovic, MKE 1st 2018, MKE 1st 2020, LMA
SA - Frye, Shump, CLE 1st

Haven't checked salaries, but makes sense for all parties involved imo

It really doesn't

It really doesn't in re: to salaries working out, or it really doesn't re: making sense for all parties involved

OR

[gasp] salaries don't work out and it doesn't make sense

Specifics, my dude, don't be stingy with them.

[Pachinko_]

Boston got significantly better and CLE stayed the same or slightly worse, BOS goes to the finals this year or the next.

Kyrie and Hayward are simply better players than IT and Crowder, and it was time to move Crowder anyway to make minutes for the growing talents of Brown and Tatum. Morris and Baynes are also spot on additions for what they need and they have the best coach possible to make sense of it all. Centers are a dime a dozen these days, they can pick up something in Feb if they feel they need it.

[LikeABosh]

It really doesn't in re: to salaries working out, or it really doesn't re: making sense for all parties involved

OR

[gasp] salaries don't work out and it doesn't make sense

Specifics, my dude, don't be stingy with them.

Yes, I should've been more specific. My apologies. I forgot I was a dealing with a very meticulous user. One who carefully planned out a "totally reasonable awesome bigly" trade for Cleveland to receive $70 million in salaries and go $40 million over the tax line

I'm gonna skip the specifics just this time though and say the trade sucks and is invalid

[humanrefutation]

Read on Twitter

It would be funny if they backed out. And it might mean we're back in the mix.

[Profound23]

Read on Twitter

It would be funny if they backed out. And it might mean we're back in the mix.

If by funny you mean great.

Although as much as I like Kyrie....I would just take the Celtics lottery ticket and hope for Michael Porter Jr.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If Thomas hip gets this trade voided its going to be one of the messiest and crazy situations in NBA history.

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[paulpressey25]

Brogdon and Middleton standing by........

[Baddy Chuck]

Brogdon and Middleton standing by........

Who/what are we taking out of the deal when we're the team holding the cards?










Who are we kidding, Horst is adding an extra first.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I just can't see Cleveland vetoing the deal at this point. Even if IT is straight up crippled, Crowder, Zizic, and that Brooklyn pick is pretty damn good. That pick is still the most valuable asset there is.

[Profound23]

I just can't see Cleveland vetoing the deal at this point. Even if IT is straight up crippled, Crowder, Zizic, and that Brooklyn pick is pretty damn good. That pick is still the most valuable asset there is.

The only reason I could see them not liking the deal is if IT can't play this year Lebron is literally alone and they blow their last shot at a title before he leaves.

The smart move would be to get a third party involved......hopefully us.

[humanrefutation]

LeBron wouldn't accept the trade if Thomas isn't in it. But ****, the Cavs might not care about pleasing him unless he agrees to an extension. And he won't.

[paulpressey25]

I just can't see Cleveland vetoing the deal at this point. Even if IT is straight up crippled, Crowder, Zizic, and that Brooklyn pick is pretty damn good. That pick is still the most valuable asset there is.

Could be IT's hip is an absolute mess and Ainge was the genius, almost succeeding in pawning off "Lt. Dan" on Cleveland for Kyrie. And he might have gotten away with it if hadn't been for those meddling kids.

Or could be IT's hip a little iffy and Dan Gilbert simply wants to extort Ainge for one more draft pick.

We'll find out soon enough with a Woj bomb tomorrow.

[humanrefutation]

I just can't see Cleveland vetoing the deal at this point. Even if IT is straight up crippled, Crowder, Zizic, and that Brooklyn pick is pretty damn good. That pick is still the most valuable asset there is.

Could be IT's hip is an absolute mess and Ainge was the genius, almost succeeding in pawning off "Lt. Dan" on Cleveland for Kyrie. And he might have gotten away with it if hadn't been for those meddling kids.

Or could be IT's hip a little iffy and Dan Gilbert simply wants to extort Ainge for one more draft pick.

We'll find out soon enough with a Woj bomb tomorrow.

Idk, Ainge had to know that the Cavs would be reviewing IT's medical records and having their docs check him out. Ainge might just have hoped the Cavs would be motivated enough about the rest of the package to take the deal anyway even with Thomas being a question mark.

Surrendering that Brooklyn pick is a lot more patable if you think Thomas is damaged goods that'll sink Cleveland this season and make you the clear finals favorite. In that respect, it's worth the gamble I suppose.