Boxing Thread 4.0

Post #1481 » by **CPT** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:03 am

Bank Shot wrote:
CPT wrote:Don't watch boxing...legit stoppage?

100%.

Fair enough.

Seemed fast, but that's by MMA standards.

Conor also seems fine, but that doesn't really matter I guess.

Bernman · Post #1482 » by **Bernman** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:03 am

I'm totally fine with the stoppage. Conor was reeling from punches for a while and spent anyway. It was just delaying the inevitable - either Floyd ko only w/ more damage or decision w/ more damage. This was best for all involved.

I was annoyed by the ref's pre-fight instructions that were very unbalanced against Conor, but during the fight I think it was called down the middle and controlled as well as reasonably could be expected w/ both their antics (why he should have talked to Floyd pre-fight too).

Rich Rane wrote:
Bernman wrote:I wish we could have seen what would have transpired if Conor wasn't completely spent in the 8th rd because of the size. That was a 50/50 before that happened. Regardless if Floyd won, and by ko in the end, that wasn't what a lot of people expected.

Didn't expect McGregor to get gassed after 4 rounds.

I don't know if at that point it was him gassing or more Floyd having the impetus from what happened the first few rounds and figuring him out more. Then some of Conor's swag went. He fought back though in the subsequent rounds w/ some tricks to be competitive and probably still win one or two. So obviously he was far from totally gassed. But 8th round he was wobbling around and falling into the ropes, but in a way like he wanted to take a rest, so I don't think he was hurt at that point. Floyd took full advantage. I don't think that's a ko for Floyd in the end if Conor doesn't gas, then and who knows. But that happened both times against Diaz, so shouldn't be particularly surprising. He was surviving then too, just in a sport where there are a lot more options to withstand an onslaught, and against an opponent that's not as precise.

Rashoismydad · Post #1483 » by **Rashoismydad** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:05 am

riggggggged.

Dont give me legit stoppage lol.

Tell me another stoppage where the fighter was never downed and wasnt cut.

Bank Shot · Post #1484 » by **Bank Shot** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:05 am

Not sure how I feel about that whole thing. Felt fishy to me. The result was the usual Floyd with him dropping some early, figuring something out, and then dominating, but watching those early rounds it felt like Floyd wasn't attacking on purpose. Good showing for McGregor but it felt like Floyd had his eye on that rematch money.

Jasen777 · Post #1485 » by **Jasen777** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:05 am

Dry_Fish wrote:Makes me think he didn't even train seriously or think it would go the distance

It's not surprising he gasses faster boxing then the best boxer of our generation. And if he wanted to be big, and that contributed to his gassing, it could be because he knew a fluke knockout was his best (really only) chance to win.

cowboyronnie · Post #1486 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:07 am

Rashoismydad wrote:riggggggged.

Dont give me legit stoppage lol.

Tell me another stoppage where the fighter was never downed and wasnt cut.

LOL

What? Happens all the time.

Ward vs Kovalev - the biggest fight of 2017 so far ended without anyone falling down. Castillo-Corrales I. Robinson-LaMotta.

Just countless fights.

Go away, know-nothing.

Post #1487 » by **Rich Rane** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:08 am

Rashoismydad wrote:riggggggged.

Dont give me legit stoppage lol.

Tell me another stoppage where the fighter was never downed and wasnt cut.

Ref stops the fight when a boxer can no longer defend him/herself whether due to damage, stamina, or a combination of both.

cowboyronnie · Post #1488 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:10 am

Trying to keep someone off of you WITH ONLY PUNCHES is going to be completely exhausting for someone who hasn't spent a lifetime at it. The Mayweather strategy was perfect.

Bernman · Post #1489 » by **Bernman** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:11 am

Jasen777 wrote:
Dry_Fish wrote:Makes me think he didn't even train seriously or think it would go the distance

It's not surprising he gasses faster boxing then the best boxer of our generation. And if he wanted to be big, and that contributed to his gassing, it could be because he knew a fluke knockout was his best (really only) chance to win.

Like I said, he was going to have a substantial size advantage anyway. Floyd was 149. Conor could have come in at 163 instead of 170 and had more power on the average punch than Floyd, while not gassing until very late if at all, and been a little quicker to avoid some more of those lunging Floyd shots. It would have been the best of all worlds. Not like he wasn't regularly hurting guys at 145 and 155, while not being that much bigger. This way, he knew what happened in the Diaz fights. Those were his worst fights in the ufc, and in boxing he had to last 36 minutes instead of 25.

BadMofoPimp · Post #1490 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:11 am

Conor would have gone down. He hadn't thrown a real punch in over a minute while Mayweather was clocking him left and right. Ref had to stop the fight as per boxing regulations. At first, I thought Mayweather hadn't trained as he looked slow early and I thought it may have been rigged, but he was just letting Conor expend energy to take him out later. Good strategy as Conor wasn't used to fighting for so long. Gotta give Conor credit for not going down as a few of those punches he took would have put a few pro's on their backs. He has the jaw to do more pro fights and become a solid pro someday if he went that route.

CjayC · Post #1491 » by **CjayC** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:14 am

Rashoismydad wrote:riggggggged.

Dont give me legit stoppage lol.

Tell me another stoppage where the fighter was never downed and wasnt cut.

Dude was gassed as hell, hadn't thrown a punch in a minute, and was eating clean punches. You're trying to get him killed.

Good stoppage.

Spens1 · Post #1492 » by **Spens1** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:18 am

the ref could have kept it going but McGregor sooner or later would have knocked out anyway. He wasn't really shook that much but given he was that tired, it would have been pointless, in the state he was in, do you really think he would have done anything to Mayweather, at all. Credit where its due, he lasted way longer than i think anyone would have expected though, it was a great showing for him.

High 5 · Post #1493 » by **High 5** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:33 am

I was expecting something similar to the first Diaz fight and that's basically what we got. Conor won early, but once fatigue set in and Floyd started to land it was all over. It did go on a few rounds longer than I predicted. Conor definitely did well all things considered.

Post #1494 » by **Rich Rane** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:37 am

High 5 wrote:I was expecting something similar to the first Diaz fight and that's basically what we got. Conor won early, but once fatigue set in and Floyd started to land it was all over. It did go on a few rounds longer than I predicted. Conor definitely did well all things considered.

I expected McGregor to lose, but at least survive all 12 rounds. Didn't realize his stamina was so bad though. Stamina was pretty much how a one-shouldered Pacquiao managed to go the distance.

Rashoismydad · Post #1495 » by **Rashoismydad** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:39 am

cowboyronnie wrote:LOL

What? Happens all the time.

Ward vs Kovalev - the biggest fight of 2017 so far ended without anyone falling down. Castillo-Corrales I. Robinson-LaMotta.

Just countless fights.

Go away, know-nothing.

Ward vs Kovalev? You mean low blows and controversy? lol Yeah, what a great precedent to bring up!

Robinson vs Lamotta? Are you really trying to go back 3/4 of a century?

It was a trash stoppage to anybody who isnt a complete boxing homer. Im sure Max Kellerman will agree with you, but hes the kind of boxing idiot who said Mcgregor couldnt win a round. It doesnt matter they were going to f*ck Mcgregor on the cards if it went 12 anyway. Theres actually people who said it was 5-1 mayweather after 6...are you joking? What fight did they watch lol.

Post #1496 » by **Bulltalk** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:41 am

Didn't the fight kind of, sort go like most thought it would? Mayweather starting slow, making sure he doesn't get caught early, feeling him out, gassing him out, slowly taking it over...the only question being whether he was going to play it safe for the decision, or try to take him out, and McGregor kind of made that decision for him.

I was thinking about Mayweather as a fighter today. I thought to myself that I couldn't think of a great fighter who was more terrified of losing than him. I don't mean that as a knock on him. He really trains for all his fights. Takes his opponents seriously. Made himself into one of the great defensive fighters of all time. Carefully picks his opponents, and when it might be most advantageous to fight them. Doesn't take many chances in the ring that he doesn't have to.

I don't know. He deserves his due. Certainly made more money than anyone else.

Rashoismydad · Post #1497 » by **Rashoismydad** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:42 am

CjayC wrote:
Rashoismydad wrote:riggggggged.

Dont give me legit stoppage lol.

Tell me another stoppage where the fighter was never downed and wasnt cut.

Dude was gassed as hell, hadn't thrown a punch in a minute, and was eating clean punches. You're trying to get him killed.

Good stoppage.

Mayweather couldnt kill a butterfly.

If he thought it was going to be stopped I guarantee he takes a soft knock down and his 15 seconds to recover rather than lose because a midget is punching him. Mcgregor got beat up by his lungs, he was far more tired than hurt.

Nemesis21 · Post #1498 » by **Nemesis21** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:44 am

Money Mayweather! 50-0 :nod:

CjayC · Post #1499 » by **CjayC** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:52 am

Rashoismydad wrote:
CjayC wrote:
Rashoismydad wrote:riggggggged.

Dont give me legit stoppage lol.

Tell me another stoppage where the fighter was never downed and wasnt cut.

Dude was gassed as hell, hadn't thrown a punch in a minute, and was eating clean punches. You're trying to get him killed.

Good stoppage.

Mayweather couldnt kill a butterfly.

If he thought it was going to be stopped I guarantee he takes a soft knock down and his 15 seconds to recover rather than lose because a midget is punching him. Mcgregor got beat up by his lungs, he was far more tired than hurt.

If if if.

FACTS he was gassed as hell, eating punches, and not throwing anything back. If he wanted the ref to not take it into his hands to protect the fighter he should have gave a better account of himself rather than gassing and not throwing punches for a minute.

cowboyronnie · Post #1500 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:52 am

Rashoismydad wrote:
cowboyronnie wrote:LOL

What? Happens all the time.

Ward vs Kovalev - the biggest fight of 2017 so far ended without anyone falling down. Castillo-Corrales I. Robinson-LaMotta.

Just countless fights.

Go away, know-nothing.

Ward vs Kovalev? You mean low blows and controversy? lol Yeah, what a great precedent to bring up!

Robinson vs Lamotta? Are you really trying to go back 3/4 of a century?

It was a trash stoppage to anybody who isnt a complete boxing homer. Im sure Max Kellerman will agree with you, but hes the kind of boxing idiot who said Mcgregor couldnt win a round. It doesnt matter they were going to f*ck Mcgregor on the cards if it went 12 anyway. Theres actually people who said it was 5-1 mayweather after 6...are you joking? What fight did they watch lol.

It took me 60 seconds to come up with 3 examples, scaling 50 years. Another 60 seconds? Canelo vs Angulo, Chavez vs Taylor, Malignaggi vs Khan...

You don't know ****.

I don't know what all that nonsense that fills the final section of your post has to do with your claim that this stoppage was "rigged".