Kyrie asked to be traded (UPDATED)

[Stillwater]

This will be the avg boston fan reaction to what eventually takes place

[Andrew McCeltic]

This will be the avg boston fan reaction to what eventually takes place

Please. Ainge will walk away. I'm sure he had other deals for Thomas and Crowder, too, and the BKN pick. You can have Khris Middleton, we'll take Kristaps Porzingis.

[Andrew McCeltic]

What your GM is doing is basically unprecedented. Trades have fallen through because of failed physicals, but no one's ever tried "He passed the physical, but we have a different assessment of his readiness to play, so give us Jayson Tatum."

[Andrew McCeltic]

We might be talking about, what, a month or two? Boston's doctors think Thomas can be ready for training camp, Cleveland's are more conservative and think he needs a little more time to heal.

[GregB]

Honestly if Altman's caught out being sneaky, Boston can do him a big favor by throwing him a bone, like a second-rounder - but just as likely we do something that lets him save face while actually rescinding value. Like, BKN pick goes back, Cleveland gets BOS 18, BOS 20, LAC 1st.

That makes abosultely zero sense. You are overthinking it.

They want more and if more is adding a future Boston first or the clippers pick then fine. But not Brown, Tatum or Lakers pick. Not a chance.

[jbk1234]

Honestly if Altman's caught out being sneaky, Boston can do him a big favor by throwing him a bone, like a second-rounder - but just as likely we do something that lets him save face while actually rescinding value. Like, BKN pick goes back, Cleveland gets BOS 18, BOS 20, LAC 1st.

That makes abosultely zero sense. You are overthinking it.

They want more and if more is adding a future Boston first or the clippers pick then fine. But not Brown, Tatum or Lakers pick. Not a chance.

I think they could add Rozier and that would be fine. It's just that the Cavs don't have a starting PG right now and that needs to be fixed.

[GregB]

Honestly if Altman's caught out being sneaky, Boston can do him a big favor by throwing him a bone, like a second-rounder - but just as likely we do something that lets him save face while actually rescinding value. Like, BKN pick goes back, Cleveland gets BOS 18, BOS 20, LAC 1st.

That makes abosultely zero sense. You are overthinking it.

They want more and if more is adding a future Boston first or the clippers pick then fine. But not Brown, Tatum or Lakers pick. Not a chance.

I think they could add Rozier and that would be fine. It's just that the Cavs don't have a starting PG right now and that needs to be fixed.

[jbk1234]

What your GM is doing is basically unprecedented. Trades have fallen through because of failed physicals, but no one's ever tried "He passed the physical, but we have a different assessment of his readiness to play, so give us Jayson Tatum."

It's not unprecedented. Look, there's an *as is* clause when it comes to trading players. You can make waiving the physical part of the trade. Of course if you ask for that, the other team is going to assume there's a pretty serious issue. Boston didn't ask for that. Now there's a serious issue. I haven't read any serious source suggest the Cavs are asking for Tatum. They do need a PG though as it doesn't look like IT can fill that role.

[Stillwater]

If IT4 will miss the majority of the season needing surgery they will either not come to an agreement , or Boston will give up lakers pick call it deal or to lesser extent if they value that pick that much give up Tatum or Brown along with Rozier and take back Zizic & a salary dump.
But if IT4 can play in 120 days or something as the outside timeline without surgery maybe we take back Rozier for Felder and they give us a future early 2nd or something much more simple.
My main concern is if because the surgery was not done earlier,has his condition worsened enough (maybe since the Boston doctors exams and the info that was initially reported in the trade proposal )so that he may never return to form,even with the surgery. if so, he is of little value and cannot be included in this trade.Then they likely void the deal and move on or if Ainge is that motivated to get KI knowing he would be taking back a digruntled injured worse than he thought pg so he sends out 1 of his 2 sf not named Hayward and lives with & still aslo includes Rozier and a filler

[Sactowndog]

If IT4 will miss the majority of the season needing surgery they will either not come to an agreement , or Boston will give up lakers pick call it deal or to lesser extent if they value that pick that much give up Tatum or Brown along with Rozier and take back Zizic & a salary dump.
But if IT4 can play in 120 days or something as the outside timeline without surgery maybe we take back Rozier for Felder and they give us a future early 2nd or something much more simple.
My main concern is if because the surgery was not done earlier,has his condition worsened enough (maybe since the Boston doctors exams and the info that was initially reported in the trade proposal )so that he may never return to form,even with the surgery. if so, he is of little value and cannot be included in this trade.Then they likely void the deal and move on or if Ainge is that motivated to get KI knowing he would be taking back a digruntled injured worse than he thought pg so he sends out 1 of his 2 sf not named Hayward and lives with & still aslo includes Rozier and a filler

If I'm Ainge I walk away. The Nets pick is the best pick you will get plus you get Crowder and Zizic. Your free to find a better deal elsewhere if you can. It's only going to get worse for you the longer you wait

[Stillwater]

If IT4 will miss the majority of the season needing surgery they will either not come to an agreement , or Boston will give up lakers pick call it deal or to lesser extent if they value that pick that much give up Tatum or Brown along with Rozier and take back Zizic & a salary dump.
But if IT4 can play in 120 days or something as the outside timeline without surgery maybe we take back Rozier for Felder and they give us a future early 2nd or something much more simple.
My main concern is if because the surgery was not done earlier,has his condition worsened enough (maybe since the Boston doctors exams and the info that was initially reported in the trade proposal )so that he may never return to form,even with the surgery. if so, he is of little value and cannot be included in this trade.Then they likely void the deal and move on or if Ainge is that motivated to get KI knowing he would be taking back a digruntled injured worse than he thought pg so he sends out 1 of his 2 sf not named Hayward and lives with & still aslo includes Rozier and a filler

If I'm Ainge I walk away. The Nets pick is the best pick you will get plus you get Crowder and Zizic. Your free to find a better deal elsewhere if you can. It's only going to get worse for you the longer you wait

Yeah Boston can't walk away,the decision is up to Cleveland only.
Granted if Ainge plays hardball and actually did think he gave accurate information regarding IT4's condition and that's why the trade included a lottery pick, and refuses to give up more even with new info on IT4's timeline, then The Cavs will void the deal if it's true IT4 will miss most if not all of the season.

They won't likely get a high lottery pick unless they deal with Phoenix (who has a pg) or ATL (who has a pg). But there are plenty of teams such as Milwaukee, Dallas etc that we could get a deal we like who have assets & players that they would consider moving if KI is their missing piece.
I think Boston misrepresented how bad IT4 was.
If it turns out IT4's timeline is just pushed back without surgery but the med examiners determined he will heal fine in time just longer than Boston docs projected for the 2nd half of the season, the Cavs probably are just asking for another asset in picks so they can combine the pick(s) with a salary dump to get an upgrade to Rose.
Not that unreasonable to ask, whether they get it or not is another story.
The Cavs got a solid 3 & D player in Crowder and a potential #1 pick (could be as low as 6) but still valuable. & they got an under rated young center.
But the entire deal was hinged on IT4 being able to compete with the Cav's for a championship even if he wasn't the "prize" of the trade , so you almost have to believe they would not have done this deal knowing IT4 was not going to be ready until after the all star break or something similar and want compensation for the misrepresentation by Ainge.
The other possibility here is IT4 is much worse now than when Boston examined him(aggravated it further possibly trying to work out or something) and so it brings an entire new set of circumstances to any deal with Boston.
Boston does not want to lose KI and bring back an injured player who is worse than they thought if that proves to be true, so I think they would be wise to add a couple 2nd rounders and Rozier at minimum taking back somebody like Jefferson as a veteran presence for his young core.
I don't believe the Cavs would deny that,unless IT4 will need surgery to recover to full strength and be available to them only if he were to sign with them in fa which would never had been agreed a pon by Cleveland had they known that up front even with as much other assets as they got in return.

[Sactowndog]

If IT4 will miss the majority of the season needing surgery they will either not come to an agreement , or Boston will give up lakers pick call it deal or to lesser extent if they value that pick that much give up Tatum or Brown along with Rozier and take back Zizic & a salary dump.
But if IT4 can play in 120 days or something as the outside timeline without surgery maybe we take back Rozier for Felder and they give us a future early 2nd or something much more simple.
My main concern is if because the surgery was not done earlier,has his condition worsened enough (maybe since the Boston doctors exams and the info that was initially reported in the trade proposal )so that he may never return to form,even with the surgery. if so, he is of little value and cannot be included in this trade.Then they likely void the deal and move on or if Ainge is that motivated to get KI knowing he would be taking back a digruntled injured worse than he thought pg so he sends out 1 of his 2 sf not named Hayward and lives with & still aslo includes Rozier and a filler

If I'm Ainge I walk away. The Nets pick is the best pick you will get plus you get Crowder and Zizic. Your free to find a better deal elsewhere if you can. It's only going to get worse for you the longer you wait

Yeah Boston can't walk away,the decision is up to Cleveland only.
Granted if Ainge plays hardball and actually did think he gave accurate information regarding IT4's condition and that's why the trade included a lottery pick, and refuses to give up more even with new info on IT4's timeline, then The Cavs will void the deal if it's true IT4 will miss most if not all of the season.

They won't likely get a high lottery pick unless they deal with Phoenix (who has a pg) or ATL (who has a pg). But there are plenty of teams such as Milwaukee, Dallas etc that we could get a deal we like who have assets & players that they would consider moving if KI is their missing piece.
I think Boston misrepresented how bad IT4 was.
If it turns out IT4's timeline is just pushed back without surgery but the med examiners determined he will heal fine in time just longer than Boston docs projected for the 2nd half of the season, the Cavs probably are just asking for another asset in picks so they can combine the pick(s) with a salary dump to get an upgrade to Rose.
Not that unreasonable to ask, whether they get it or not is another story.
The Cavs got a solid 3 & D player in Crowder and a potential #1 pick (could be as low as 6) but still valuable. & they got an under rated young center.
But the entire deal was hinged on IT4 being able to compete with the Cav's for a championship even if he wasn't the "prize" of the trade , so you almost have to believe they would not have done this deal knowing IT4 was not going to be ready until after the all star break or something similar and want compensation for the misrepresentation by Ainge.
The other possibility here is IT4 is much worse now than when Boston examined him(aggravated it further possibly trying to work out or something) and so it brings an entire new set of circumstances to any deal with Boston.
Boston does not want to lose KI and bring back an injured player who is worse than they thought if that proves to be true, so I think they would be wise to add a couple 2nd rounders and Rozier at minimum taking back somebody like Jefferson as a veteran presence for his young core.
I don't believe the Cavs would deny that,unless IT4 will need surgery to recover to full strength and be available to them only if he were to sign with them in fa which would never had been agreed a pon by Cleveland had they known that up front even with as much other assets as they got in return.

I don't think Isaiah is worse than Boston thought he would be. I think no one knows for sure which is why Danny gave you a great pick in a top loaded draft. Kyrie isn't going to waive his no trade clause for Phoenix or Atlanta. And even if he did his presence makes that team better which only helps Boston by increasing the chance both the Nets pick and the LA pick are top 5.

Your only real option is Milwaukee or the Clippers and adding Kyrie makes the pick a late first rounder. Cleveland thought they got a steal for one of the worst defensive guards in the league. Now they realize the trade is fairer than they thought. Rookie GM..... Walk away no problem.

[Stillwater]

If I'm Ainge I walk away. The Nets pick is the best pick you will get plus you get Crowder and Zizic. Your free to find a better deal elsewhere if you can. It's only going to get worse for you the longer you wait

Yeah Boston can't walk away,the decision is up to Cleveland only.
Granted if Ainge plays hardball and actually did think he gave accurate information regarding IT4's condition and that's why the trade included a lottery pick, and refuses to give up more even with new info on IT4's timeline, then The Cavs will void the deal if it's true IT4 will miss most if not all of the season.

They won't likely get a high lottery pick unless they deal with Phoenix (who has a pg) or ATL (who has a pg). But there are plenty of teams such as Milwaukee, Dallas etc that we could get a deal we like who have assets & players that they would consider moving if KI is their missing piece.
I think Boston misrepresented how bad IT4 was.
If it turns out IT4's timeline is just pushed back without surgery but the med examiners determined he will heal fine in time just longer than Boston docs projected for the 2nd half of the season, the Cavs probably are just asking for another asset in picks so they can combine the pick(s) with a salary dump to get an upgrade to Rose.
Not that unreasonable to ask, whether they get it or not is another story.
The Cavs got a solid 3 & D player in Crowder and a potential #1 pick (could be as low as 6) but still valuable. & they got an under rated young center.
But the entire deal was hinged on IT4 being able to compete with the Cav's for a championship even if he wasn't the "prize" of the trade , so you almost have to believe they would not have done this deal knowing IT4 was not going to be ready until after the all star break or something similar and want compensation for the misrepresentation by Ainge.
The other possibility here is IT4 is much worse now than when Boston examined him(aggravated it further possibly trying to work out or something) and so it brings an entire new set of circumstances to any deal with Boston.
Boston does not want to lose KI and bring back an injured player who is worse than they thought if that proves to be true, so I think they would be wise to add a couple 2nd rounders and Rozier at minimum taking back somebody like Jefferson as a veteran presence for his young core.
I don't believe the Cavs would deny that,unless IT4 will need surgery to recover to full strength and be available to them only if he were to sign with them in fa which would never had been agreed a pon by Cleveland had they known that up front even with as much other assets as they got in return.

I don't think Isaiah is worse than Boston thought he would be. I think no one knows for sure which is why Danny gave you a great pick in a top loaded draft. Kyrie isn't going to waive his no trade clause for Phoenix or Atlanta. And even if he did his presence makes that team better which only helps Boston by increasing the chance both the Nets pick and the LA pick are top 5.

Your only real option is Milwaukee or the Clippers and adding Kyrie makes the pick a late first rounder. Cleveland thought they got a steal for one of the worst defensive guards in the league. Now they realize the trade is fairer than they thought. Rookie GM..... Walk away no problem.

Irving doesn't have a no trade clause

[Sactowndog]

Yeah Boston can't walk away,the decision is up to Cleveland only.
Granted if Ainge plays hardball and actually did think he gave accurate information regarding IT4's condition and that's why the trade included a lottery pick, and refuses to give up more even with new info on IT4's timeline, then The Cavs will void the deal if it's true IT4 will miss most if not all of the season.

They won't likely get a high lottery pick unless they deal with Phoenix (who has a pg) or ATL (who has a pg). But there are plenty of teams such as Milwaukee, Dallas etc that we could get a deal we like who have assets & players that they would consider moving if KI is their missing piece.
I think Boston misrepresented how bad IT4 was.
If it turns out IT4's timeline is just pushed back without surgery but the med examiners determined he will heal fine in time just longer than Boston docs projected for the 2nd half of the season, the Cavs probably are just asking for another asset in picks so they can combine the pick(s) with a salary dump to get an upgrade to Rose.
Not that unreasonable to ask, whether they get it or not is another story.
The Cavs got a solid 3 & D player in Crowder and a potential #1 pick (could be as low as 6) but still valuable. & they got an under rated young center.
But the entire deal was hinged on IT4 being able to compete with the Cav's for a championship even if he wasn't the "prize" of the trade , so you almost have to believe they would not have done this deal knowing IT4 was not going to be ready until after the all star break or something similar and want compensation for the misrepresentation by Ainge.
The other possibility here is IT4 is much worse now than when Boston examined him(aggravated it further possibly trying to work out or something) and so it brings an entire new set of circumstances to any deal with Boston.
Boston does not want to lose KI and bring back an injured player who is worse than they thought if that proves to be true, so I think they would be wise to add a couple 2nd rounders and Rozier at minimum taking back somebody like Jefferson as a veteran presence for his young core.
I don't believe the Cavs would deny that,unless IT4 will need surgery to recover to full strength and be available to them only if he were to sign with them in fa which would never had been agreed a pon by Cleveland had they known that up front even with as much other assets as they got in return.

I don't think Isaiah is worse than Boston thought he would be. I think no one knows for sure which is why Danny gave you a great pick in a top loaded draft. Kyrie isn't going to waive his no trade clause for Phoenix or Atlanta. And even if he did his presence makes that team better which only helps Boston by increasing the chance both the Nets pick and the LA pick are top 5.

Your only real option is Milwaukee or the Clippers and adding Kyrie makes the pick a late first rounder. Cleveland thought they got a steal for one of the worst defensive guards in the league. Now they realize the trade is fairer than they thought. Rookie GM..... Walk away no problem.

Irving doesn't have a no trade clause

What did he waive to go to Boston? Just Googled it and your correct my mistake. By all means void the trade and send him to Pheonix or Atlanta. That only makes our Nets and Lakers pick more likely top 5. It's a win win for us!

[Stillwater]

I don't think Isaiah is worse than Boston thought he would be. I think no one knows for sure which is why Danny gave you a great pick in a top loaded draft. Kyrie isn't going to waive his no trade clause for Phoenix or Atlanta. And even if he did his presence makes that team better which only helps Boston by increasing the chance both the Nets pick and the LA pick are top 5.

Your only real option is Milwaukee or the Clippers and adding Kyrie makes the pick a late first rounder. Cleveland thought they got a steal for one of the worst defensive guards in the league. Now they realize the trade is fairer than they thought. Rookie GM..... Walk away no problem.

Irving doesn't have a no trade clause

What did he waive to go to Boston?

trade kicker

[Sactowndog]

Irving doesn't have a no trade clause

What did he waive to go to Boston?

trade kicker

Thanks for the clarity

[Stillwater]

Patients with clinically suspected FAI may have a substantial contour abnormality that can be underestimated or missed if only oblique axial plane images are reviewed. Radial plane imaging should be considered in the MRI investigation of FAI.

FAI is not life threatening but it can severely impact your quality of life and function. It can affect anyone: elite athletes and the active individual, manual labourers and office workers. Untreated in the short term, FAI causes ongoing pain and disability. Untreated in the long term, cartilage damage becomes permanent and may ultimately result in the hip joint wearing out prematurely and developing osteoarthritis.

What is the Treatment?
Analgesics such as Paracetamol and anti-inflammatories can help relieve symptoms. Avoidance of the ‘impingement position’ is encouraged. Injections into the hip joint can help relieve severe symptoms temporarily. Unfortunately however, none of these modalities treat the underlying cause. Femoroacetabular Impingement (FAI) is best treated with hip arthroscopy (or ‘key-hole surgery’).

http://www.nirschl.com/questions-to-ask-prior-to-hip-arthroscopic-surgery.asp

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-playoffs-2017-celtics-isaiah-thomas-hip-injury-surgery-specialists/108pm06uo001x1lpds4njfq7hl

http://www.recoverypt.com/explaining-isaiah-thomas-hip-impingement/

http://www.wheelessonline.com/ortho/Femoroacetabular_Impingement_FAI

[jbk1234]

I think I'd void the deal at this point.

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[gflem]

I think a voided deal is possible, but I also think the Cavs value the pick as much as a healthy and available IT. I believe that is why they went back to Boston to see if they can work out a deal with a 3rd team to get us a serviceable pg, or an additional asset to use to help get a serviceable pg for this season.
All the bs between Boston fans and Cavs fans is emotional reaction to "their/our" team getting screwed point of view. I think these billion dollar franchises act more on logic and facts that emotion. Now, Gilbert has had a few moments where emotion has gotten the better of him but by and large he has been a very solid franchise owner, despite what some think.
I don't see a "win" for either side at this point. I think it may come down to who loses the least as far as public relations, and team chemistry. At this point it seems like Boston has more to lose imo in that regard so it wouldn't surprise me to see them add something to accommodate getting the deal completed.

[indypride]

There should be an easy solution that work's for everybody here. Why not just replace Thomas with Tatum and the Laker's pick?