ATL - New Lottery Rules Move to Owner Vote - pg59

[Nowak008]

We are - at worst - one year past the point of trading legit assets for picks making sense. Giannis has 4 years. It's time to **** or get off the pot.

Yea I think we missed our opportunity at the draft to get into Mitchell/DSJ range. The ship has sailed now.

[Nowak008]

Noel not taking 17.5 mil a year might be the dumbest contract decision I've ever seen. He hasn't done jack in the league and has had severe injury issues. Insane.

[stillgotgame]

I hope this blows up. I think Kyrie and Giannis would make a great pairing.

I think I they would too.

I believe the Bucks think they can have Snell take Middleton's spot at the 2 and Jabari will come back healthy.

The only question I have is can we have average defense with a Kyrie, Snell, Parker, Giannis, Thon line up. Offense won't be a problem. I think we could be avg on defense.

I don't think we'll have to give up as much as was rumored. Now that Kyrie has let it leak out that he won't report to Cavs training camp, Cleveland is losing leverage.
Dragging this out is great for us...

[ReasonablySober]

Haven't read the thread* since the update but a cynic might think the Cavs made the deal knowing IT would fail the physical and could ask for more in the deal.

*probably the 10th person to float that

[chonestown]

Kyrie is not irie, I'd rather have an expirie.

[paulpressey25]

Noel not taking 17.5 mil a year might be the dumbest contract decision I've ever seen. He hasn't done jack in the league and has had severe injury issues. Insane.

When so many people including agents and advisors tell you that you are a "nine digit" man ($100,000,000) hard to walk that back in your head.

It now means Nerlens is going to truly have to earn his future money on the court. He'll get it if he produces big time and stay healthy.

[Profound23]

Haven't read the thread* since the update but a cynic might think the Cavs made the deal knowing IT would fail the physical and could ask for more in the deal.

*probably the 10th person to float that

I don't see how this isn't it. The Celtics have been an open book about Isaiah's status since day 1.

If Cleveland gets more out of it, more power to them. However, I think of how often this happens in fantasy football. You agree on a trade with someone verbally and they say they will send the deal, next thing you know they throw in a different player or two trying to squeeze more out of you.

When they do that, I just back down and no longer deal with that person.

[BucksFanSD]

By the way, if the Warriors rejected a Klay for Kyrie offer, it shows that Middleton isn't near Klay's value (at least to the Cavs) if our offer was legit.

[coolhandluke121]

Let me get this straight; you're proposing the Bucks get involved by trading Monroe's expiring and Middleton for the BKN pick?

I'm not up for arguing some Raptors fanboy level homerism about the value of those two if that's what you're getting at. After all the similar arguments I had about Yi, Jennings, Bogut, and Jabari, I've had my fill. Suffice to say that those fans need not worry about anything like this actually happening and I'm sure they'll continue to get the Bucks teams they so truly deserve.

[LikeABosh]

Haven't read the thread* since the update but a cynic might think the Cavs made the deal knowing IT would fail the physical and could ask for more in the deal.

*probably the 10th person to float that

If that's true, they're probably trying to field other offers right now. Sucks for Boston because IT has like no trade value now and Jae is probably an emotional wreck getting fake traded the night his mother passed

[raferfenix]

I still don't want to trade Middleton + Brogdon + a pick for Irving.

I fear we might seriously regret trading Middleton in particular.

Mids would blow up playing next to Lebron for that matter.

That's why I think we could close a deal if the Cavs do pull the trade because they need a serious win now piece in it.

[Profound23]

I still don't want to trade Middleton + Brogdon + a pick for Irving.

I fear we might seriously regret trading Middleton in particular.

Mids would blow up playing next to Lebron for that matter.

That's why I think we could close a deal if the Cavs do pull the trade because they need a serious win now piece in it.

This reminds me so much of the Redd to Cleveland talks years ago.

[drew881]

Haven't read the thread* since the update but a cynic might think the Cavs made the deal knowing IT would fail the physical and could ask for more in the deal.

*probably the 10th person to float that

I don't see how this isn't it. The Celtics have been an open book about Isaiah's status since day 1.

If Cleveland gets more out of it, more power to them. However, I think of how often this happens in fantasy football. You agree on a trade with someone verbally and they say they will send the deal, next thing you know they throw in a different player or two trying to squeeze more out of you.

When they do that, I just back down and no longer deal with that person.

Except players' feelings aren't hurt in fantasy football.

[paulpressey25]

An angle that hasn't been discussed is what exactly Isiah Thomas has been doing in regards to his health.

Presumably last May he was presented with the surgery option and rejected it, perhaps fearing for his career and his upcoming free agent season. You'd have to think Ainge and IT mutually came to the conclusion with his doctors that he could play.

Would find it hard that IT would accept surgery at this point even if the trade were voided. That's why I have to think CLE ultimately takes some minor asset from Boston (2nd or low first perhaps Boston's own pick) and forges ahead. And IT plans on playing opening night for CLE somehow, someway.

[JayMKE]

I still don't want to trade Middleton + Brogdon + a pick for Irving.

I fear we might seriously regret trading Middleton in particular.

Mids would blow up playing next to Lebron for that matter.

That's why I think we could close a deal if the Cavs do pull the trade because they need a serious win now piece in it.

This reminds me so much of the Redd to Cleveland talks years ago.

Wasn't the main asset we were suppose to get back from those talks like Drew Gooden?

[drew881]

An angle that hasn't been discussed is what exactly Isiah Thomas has been doing in regards to his health.

Presumably last May he was presented with the surgery option and rejected it, perhaps fearing for his career and his upcoming free agent season. You'd have to think Ainge and IT mutually came to the conclusion with his doctors that he could play.

Would find it hard that IT would accept surgery at this point even if the trade were voided. That's why I have to think CLE ultimately takes some minor asset from Boston (2nd or low first perhaps Boston's own pick) and forges ahead. And IT plans on playing opening night for CLE somehow, someway.

Why would IT plan on playing opening night? Makes much more sense skip the opening 20 games, play a good 3/4 season and a successful playoffs as far as his long term contract is concerned

[mke_design]

Cleveland wants brown or tatum to complete trade. DAMN.

[raferfenix]

"Now, Cleveland is going to try to inquire about a couple of the Celtics' young players, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, who they tried to get in the original trade, that is very unlikely. But Boston still has a war chest of future first-round picks of their own, and some picks they control from other teams, and Cleveland is going to try to get one more of those to finalize this deal."

However, Wojnarowski cautioned on his SportsCenter appearance the Celtics will "resist" the idea they need to give up more in the trade. "Boston believes that it was completely transparent with Cleveland about where Thomas was physically, his rehab," he said of Thomas' hip injury. "Cleveland's version of this is that they didn't realize how long Thomas could potentially be out this season."

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2729913-jaylen-brown-jayson-tatum-reported-cavs-targets-to-complete-kyrie-irving-trade.amp.html

[thomchatt3rton]

Let me get this straight; you're proposing the Bucks get involved by trading Monroe's expiring and Middleton for the BKN pick?

I'm not up for arguing some Raptors fanboy level homerism about the value of those two if that's what you're getting at. After all the similar arguments I had about Yi, Jennings, Bogut, and Jabari, I've had my fill. Suffice to say that those fans need not worry about anything like this actually happening and I'm sure they'll continue to get the Bucks teams they so truly deserve.

If the fan boy homers get the team they truly deserve, but you get that same team too...does that mean you're being cheated out of the team YOU deserve?


ETA Forgot to mention I might do Mid-Monroe for that BKN pick.
Its a gamble but it could very well be the last chance to add a 2nd bigtime guy w the assets we have


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[BucksFanSD]

Cleveland wants brown or tatum to complete trade. DAMN.

Cleveland holding a lot of leverage here and letting it be known. If they can't get an extra 1st or a guy like Rozier then the Cavs might just discard the trade.

Personally, I think it's a fair trade but keep in mind the Cavs don't want to help out the Celtics in their desperate need of a PG.

Really, the Bucks offer fits a lot of the Cavs desires (a young & talented team-oriented PG in Brogdon, a sharp shooter like the one the Cavs already tried to trade Irving for and got denied, and a 1st). I wouldn't be surprised to see Irving traded here in the end.