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Re: ATL - Kyrie trade - IT has bad hip, trade in question pg 13 

Post#361 » by BroncoBuck » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:32 pm

HurricaneKid wrote:I really think this is a really bad omen for ITs health. When you have a singular injury in the middle of a chonic condition its usually a pretty specific thing.

In ITs situation he has had this injury since birth and essentially the ridge around the ball of the ball and socket of his hip has been rubbing against the outer edge of the socket enough to damage the lining between the two. The bones can't really have an acute incidence. The only thing left is the labrum. And depending on the severity of the tear it could be anything from rest to a hip replacement. There is obviously some disagreement as to where on that spectrum he is. But it sounds like he was hoping to be on a side he is unlikely to be at. And if he needs surgery, much less finds out it is a severe labral tear (I believe you need to actually get in it to see) he is out 9 months which means he wouldnt play a game until he signed a new deal. Say what you will about signing him to a big deal next offseason, getting a 2nd team All NBA player making 6m for a season is a big deal. If that is off the table and the Cavs werent expecting it to be off the table its a BFD.

BTW, Im not a Dr but I had this exact injury and when I had surgery they found out the labrum was essentially gone and 16 mos later i had a hip replacement. There is a real chance he doesnt play again. Suggesting the Cavs are definitively just utilizing leverage is pretty wild considering the possibilities still on the table.


It was Bo Jackson's hip injury that finally pushed his bone disease over the edge. Once that hip was replaced his football career was over. Even with the replacement he could only play a couple more years of baseball. I wouldn't be surprised if IT is done, and if he is the Cavs need way more (definitely another first) in return for Kyrie.
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Re: ATL - Kyrie trade - IT has bad hip, trade in question pg 13 

Post#362 » by tski1972 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:34 pm

Cleveland agreed to the trade with 100% knowledge of IT's injury. Take it or leave it.
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Re: ATL - Kyrie trade - IT has bad hip, trade in question pg 13 

Post#363 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:59 pm

Well of course, they're Cavs fans. They're used to having value handed to them on a silver platter between Lebron and constantly winning the draft lottery when they have no business doing so. If they think that someone else is giving up a package for Kyrie equal to what Boston offered then, well....
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Post#364 » by BuckHole » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:14 pm

Prince12 wrote:Pretty funny that Mallory says she wants to buy the Knicks on the same day she posts on instagram for everyone to donate to the hurricane victims.

Funny because a few minutes later she posted her text confirmation of her donation...$10...


Man, that's funny.
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Re: ATL - Kyrie trade - IT has bad hip, trade in question pg 13 

Post#365 » by Bucks_MacGyver » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:14 pm

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Prince12 wrote:Pretty funny that Mallory says she wants to buy the Knicks on the same day she posts on instagram for everyone to donate to the hurricane victims.

Funny because a few minutes later she posted her text confirmation of her donation...$10...


Man, that's funny.


Thats really funny
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Re: ATL - Kyrie trade - IT has bad hip, trade in question pg 13 

Post#366 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:02 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Well of course, they're Cavs fans. They're used to having value handed to them on a silver platter between Lebron and constantly winning the draft lottery when they have no business doing so. If they think that someone else is giving up a package for Kyrie equal to what Boston offered then, well....


They will probably kick me off that forum shortly as I'm asking reasonable questions but ones they don't like to discuss.

IMO, if that trade last week was simply announced at "Kyrie for Nets pick, Crowder, Zizic" most of the NBA would have said "fair trade".

There just weren't people anywhere criticizing Cleveland for that move. People knew that Cleveland magically cleaned up with a deal no one thought possible. Well it wasn't. IT was damaged goods.
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Post#367 » by BuckHole » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:23 pm

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Prince12 wrote:Pretty funny that Mallory says she wants to buy the Knicks on the same day she posts on instagram for everyone to donate to the hurricane victims.

Funny because a few minutes later she posted her text confirmation of her donation...$10...


Man, that's funny.


Thats really funny

On one hand, she plans to be successful so that she can buy a basketball team-I'm assuming with what she plans to be her own money. One team is not enough for the Edens.
On the other, she most likely thought about the braggadocio of displaying her real amount (I'm assuming) and lays down a $10 donation amount meant as an example of what the little people can afford. I love virtue signaling. $10 has to be the equivalent of our pocket lint for her. The filthy rich must think the poor are infantile stupid.
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Re: ATL - Kyrie trade - IT has bad hip, trade in question pg 13 

Post#368 » by raferfenix » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:25 pm

Sure it's possible and perhaps most likely that the Cavs are posturing and pretending to be shocked by IT's health.

But I could see Ainge playing them like fools and Cleveland's dysfunctional front office coming to a head too.

Wouldn't be shocked if they void the trade out of spite. If IT is seriously hurt the Cavs' backcourt is screwed and the whole season will be a referendum on Cleveland failing to give Lebron reasons to stay.

Yes Crowder is a win now piece but he is also a luxury with Lebron and Love in tow. Cleveland desperately needs a PG better than Derrick Rose.
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Post#369 » by Profound23 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:06 pm

raferfenix wrote:Sure it's possible and perhaps most likely that the Cavs are posturing and pretending to be shocked by IT's health.

But I could see Ainge playing them like fools and Cleveland's dysfunctional front office coming to a head too.

Wouldn't be shocked if they void the trade out of spite. If IT is seriously hurt the Cavs' backcourt is screwed and the whole season will be a referendum on Cleveland failing to give Lebron reasons to stay.

Yes Crowder is a win now piece but he is also a luxury with Lebron and Love in tow. Cleveland desperately needs a PG better than Derrick Rose.



I might buy this if not for Ainge saying publicly quite a few times that IT could miss a significant amount of time, including the day of the trade.

If nothing else, Ainge was too honest during this process. In the end one of these GM's have no morals and with the shenanigans they are trying to pull...once word gets around I am willing to bet most GMs will refuse to do business with them again. If it is Altman, the Cavs are screwed. Many people out there will refuse to deal for Kyrie in fear of him doing this again and hurting whatever assets they same way this process hurt IT and Crowder.

If it's Ainge, he is in the same boat with the exception that he has a bunch of picks that if he hits on none of this will matter.
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Re: ATL - Kyrie trade - IT has bad hip, trade in question pg 13 

Post#370 » by SirChurros » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:09 pm

Ainge saying he could miss significant time is different than a guy maybe never playing meaningful minutes again.

I don't get why the Cavs would try to fleece Boston for more. They already got way better than market value for Kyrie.
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Re: ATL - Kyrie trade - IT has bad hip, trade in question pg 13 

Post#371 » by HurricaneKid » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:57 pm

Profound23 wrote:
raferfenix wrote:Sure it's possible and perhaps most likely that the Cavs are posturing and pretending to be shocked by IT's health.

But I could see Ainge playing them like fools and Cleveland's dysfunctional front office coming to a head too.

Wouldn't be shocked if they void the trade out of spite. If IT is seriously hurt the Cavs' backcourt is screwed and the whole season will be a referendum on Cleveland failing to give Lebron reasons to stay.

Yes Crowder is a win now piece but he is also a luxury with Lebron and Love in tow. Cleveland desperately needs a PG better than Derrick Rose.



I might buy this if not for Ainge saying publicly quite a few times that IT could miss a significant amount of time, including the day of the trade.

If nothing else, Ainge was too honest during this process. In the end one of these GM's have no morals and with the shenanigans they are trying to pull...once word gets around I am willing to bet most GMs will refuse to do business with them again. If it is Altman, the Cavs are screwed. Many people out there will refuse to deal for Kyrie in fear of him doing this again and hurting whatever assets they same way this process hurt IT and Crowder.

If it's Ainge, he is in the same boat with the exception that he has a bunch of picks that if he hits on none of this will matter.


There are essentially two outcomes. The first is that with rest he can play without surgery. Given that he cannot walk 3 months later that seems wildly optimistic. The next option is to have the surgery. That has a 9 month recovery time (and if we are being fair, that is the best case scenario- if, during surgery they find the labrum significantly torn his career could be over). Which means he would, AT BEST, be back to basketball shape May 28th, or just in time for the Finals. That means he is out for the entire year. That's not missing time. That means Cleveland will be paying $30M in salary this season for IT and the lux tax for him and wouldn't get ANYTHING for it. That's a FAR CRY from getting a 2nd team All NBA player for 6M.

If you think the rest of the league is concerned about having Altman screw with deals after they have been made that means they would trade expiring players with injuries that prevent them from playing their contract years and expecting value for them. If that's the case **** them.
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Post#372 » by midranger » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:01 pm

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Man, that's funny.


Thats really funny

On one hand, she plans to be successful so that she can buy a basketball team-I'm assuming with what she plans to be her own money. One team is not enough for the Edens.
On the other, she most likely thought about the braggadocio of displaying her real amount (I'm assuming) and lays down a $10 donation amount meant as an example of what the little people can afford. I love virtue signaling. $10 has to be the equivalent of our pocket lint for her. The filthy rich must think the poor are infantile stupid.

Am I the only one who finds her to be so vapid and uninteresting that her actual hotness is perceived as completely grotesque in my brain?
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Post#373 » by Prez » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:06 pm

Just hoping they don't have Kyrie or Thomas active for the home opener. That roster was looking pretty damn scary when it wasn't known that IT's hip might be majorly ****, wasn't feeling good about starting the year on natl TV against that.
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Post#374 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:06 pm

Mallory's twitter game is GOAT-level. Paris Hilton she is not.
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Post#375 » by Magic Giannison » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:35 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Mallory's twitter game is GOAT-level. Paris Hilton she is not.

Paris Hiltons face throws me really off. I never understood why so many find her attractive.
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Re: ATL - Kyrie trade - IT has bad hip, trade in question pg 13 

Post#376 » by raferfenix » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:53 pm

The Cavs still need help in the backcourt even if they keep IT.

Kevin Love could end up a casualty towards those ends.

Lebron doesn't like him so much anyways and he isn't so useful against the Warriors, especially compared to Crowder.

So why not shake it up -- even if it's just a flier to find more enticing options for King James to play with?
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Post#377 » by stillgotgame » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:57 pm

Giannis & Kyrie :nod:
Still a possibility. I think they're a great fit.
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Re: ATL - Kyrie trade - IT has bad hip, trade in question pg 13 

Post#378 » by BroncoBuck » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:58 pm

There's a difference between being aware of IT's injury and being aware of the extent of IT's injury.

My guess is Cleveland was aware he may miss a month or two, but their team doctor believes he may miss the season for surgery or need a replacement (ending his career).

If Boston throws in the Memphis pick (which is protected anyways) I bet the deal goes through
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Post#379 » by zimpy27 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:08 pm

A question to you all:

Would you guys trade Brogdon, Middleton, 1st round pick for ITflaw, Crowder, Zizic, Brooklyn 1st?
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Post#380 » by mcfromage » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:10 pm

No.

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