Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

[Jalen Bluntson]

Can anyone come up with any logical reason for Melo to stay here? Seeing how he is willing to go to Houston....distance from his kid isn't flying either. Seeing how he wants to win now and have fun, NY is not an option but, he won't leave unless we send him to Houston. So if Houston doesn't offer value, what logical reason does Melo have to play here another year? Why would he want to play somewherein a limited role, on a losing team that wants to trade him and move on? Where is the logic? I can't see it.

I know the reason he is saying it. He's forcing a bad trade to get his wishes. Everything else he has said on the matter is basically a lie. I want to know what logic is he using. His stance of Houston or nothing and his comments on winning and having fun do not fit logically with him staying in NY. So what other logical reason is there?

Aside from him saying he wants to be closer to his son and LaLa, has Melo said anything? I'm pretty sure he hasn't commented publicly on trade talks / where he wants to go, although I might be mistaken. My thing is, if he'll accept a trade to Houston, why won't he accepted one to OKC which is just as close? What about other teams within 4-5 hours flying? If he wants to win a championship, why not open his teams to, again, OKC and other teams that are missing a piece or two?

To me, the main reason he wants to go to Houston is because of Paul (and, to a lesser extent, the no state tax). That's just me trying to get into Melo's head, but it's as good a guess as any. He sees Houston as the only place he is willing to play...for now. I honestly think the longer we hold out, the more fed-up he becomes and the more teams he includes on his "list" OR maybe he considers a buyout of less than 30 million (the latter being far more unlikely) Under no circumstance whatsoever should we be caving into ANY bad trade regardless of where he ends up - that's my stance.

Logical reasons. Distance from his son makes no sense anymore. It's basically a lie. I stated that in my post. You verified it in yours.

Logical reasons to stay in NY...not why he wants Houston. We know why. They aren't willing to pay up. So now what?

I hope he gets fed up or they pay up by camp time. That's still not a logical reason.

[blueNorange]

Can anyone come up with any logical reason for Melo to stay here? Seeing how he is willing to go to Houston....distance from his kid isn't flying either. Seeing how he wants to win now and have fun, NY is not an option but, he won't leave unless we send him to Houston. So if Houston doesn't offer value, what logical reason does Melo have to play here another year? Why would he want to play somewherein a limited role, on a losing team that wants to trade him and move on? Where is the logic? I can't see it.

I know the reason he is saying it. He's forcing a bad trade to get his wishes. Everything else he has said on the matter is basically a lie. I want to know what logic is he using. His stance of Houston or nothing and his comments on winning and having fun do not fit logically with him staying in NY. So what other logical reason is there?

Maybe he never wanted to leave in the first place. That's a fair reason right? Normally people ask for NTCs because they want to stay on the team they signed with. Logically, there are numerous other winning locations that Melo would fit in but maybe he sees Houston as the only best case scenario. Is he wrong? So for him it is either super dream scenario to play with his buddy and a MVP candidate or give himself one more shot at redemption in the city he loves. Until Knicks management comes and blatantly says "we are focused primarily on losing games this year", I don't see anything wrong with those two choices.

I said this before. It's not registering with people that want him gone at all costs.

just like it's not registering with some that if melo is still on the team he will see his minutes and shot attempts be reduced.

this offense is kristaps, thj, and willy. then melo.

[blueNorange]

Can anyone come up with any logical reason for Melo to stay here? Seeing how he is willing to go to Houston....distance from his kid isn't flying either. Seeing how he wants to win now and have fun, NY is not an option but, he won't leave unless we send him to Houston. So if Houston doesn't offer value, what logical reason does Melo have to play here another year? Why would he want to play somewherein a limited role, on a losing team that wants to trade him and move on? Where is the logic? I can't see it.

I know the reason he is saying it. He's forcing a bad trade to get his wishes. Everything else he has said on the matter is basically a lie. I want to know what logic is he using. His stance of Houston or nothing and his comments on winning and having fun do not fit logically with him staying in NY. So what other logical reason is there?

Maybe he never wanted to leave in the first place. That's a fair reason right? Normally people ask for NTCs because they want to stay on the team they signed with. Logically, there are numerous other winning locations that Melo would fit in but maybe he sees Houston as the only best case scenario. Is he wrong? So for him it is either super dream scenario to play with his buddy and a MVP candidate or give himself one more shot at redemption in the city he loves. Until Knicks management comes and blatantly says "we are focused primarily on losing games this year", I don't see anything wrong with those two choices.

The team has made it ABUNDANTLY clear that they are focusing on a youth movement. They are not concerened with winning now. They are building for the future.

Melo has made it clear that he wants to win now. Have fun.


Those 2 positions cannot coexist. So Melo is choosing money over winning.

That is the only logical reason. He would hold us up to have his cake and eat it too. He's done it several times now.

Players get NTC so they don't get shipped to bad scenarios. Losing teams. NOT because they wanted to stay on one. Only 3-4 players even have them. Not logical here. HE'S ON A BAD TEAM! There's no path to redemption here. Unless he willingly accepts a bench role as we rebuild. Is that a logical reason for a player who wants to win now and have fun?

I asked for logic given what we know. Not excuses.

lmaoo @ "one more shot at redemption in the city he loves" ... this team is over with melo, if houston had a better offer he'd be long gone by now and someone else would be rocking #7.

and as you said the front office already made it clear they're going to focus on rebuilding and developing players over winning.

[HarthorneWingo]

Maybe he never wanted to leave in the first place. That's a fair reason right? Normally people ask for NTCs because they want to stay on the team they signed with. Logically, there are numerous other winning locations that Melo would fit in but maybe he sees Houston as the only best case scenario. Is he wrong? So for him it is either super dream scenario to play with his buddy and a MVP candidate or give himself one more shot at redemption in the city he loves. Until Knicks management comes and blatantly says "we are focused primarily on losing games this year", I don't see anything wrong with those two choices.

I said this before. It's not registering with people that want him gone at all costs.

just like it's not registering with some that if melo is still on the team he will see his minutes and shot attempts be reduced.

this offense is kristaps, thj, and willy. then melo.

bNo! bNo! bNo! bNo! bNo! bNo! bNo! bNo! bNo! bNo!

[HarthorneWingo]

Can anyone come up with any logical reason for Melo to stay here? Seeing how he is willing to go to Houston....distance from his kid isn't flying either. Seeing how he wants to win now and have fun, NY is not an option but, he won't leave unless we send him to Houston. So if Houston doesn't offer value, what logical reason does Melo have to play here another year? Why would he want to play somewherein a limited role, on a losing team that wants to trade him and move on? Where is the logic? I can't see it.

I know the reason he is saying it. He's forcing a bad trade to get his wishes. Everything else he has said on the matter is basically a lie. I want to know what logic is he using. His stance of Houston or nothing and his comments on winning and having fun do not fit logically with him staying in NY. So what other logical reason is there?

Exactly. He has no logic. His jive never makes any sense. But when you look at the timeline, what does make sense is that it's all about him. That's it.

[blueNorange]

nobody understands that melo has a ntc that is supposed to be this power card, but melo has no power card at all.

knicks have the power card, they've already stated what they want to do with this franchise going forward, they made it clear melo isn't part of what they're going to do. all the knicks have to do is pay melo, that's all they owe him. they don't owe him one more shot at the playoffs, they don't owe him playing time, etc. they can play him 1 minute a game if they want to be garbage people about it and the only thing melo could say is "i'll expand my list".

melo has the least powerful ntc ever.

[HarthorneWingo]

nobody understands that melo has a ntc that is supposed to be this power card, but melo has no power card at all.

knicks have the power card, they've already stated what they want to do with this franchise going forward, they made it clear melo isn't part of what they're going to do. all the knicks have to do is pay melo, that's all they owe him. they don't owe him one more shot at the playoffs, they don't owe him playing time, etc. they can play him 1 minute a game if they want to be garbage people about it and the only thing melo could say is "i'll expand my list".

melo has the least powerful ntc ever.

[DOT]

Can anyone come up with any logical reason for Melo to stay here? Seeing how he is willing to go to Houston....distance from his kid isn't flying either. Seeing how he wants to win now and have fun, NY is not an option but, he won't leave unless we send him to Houston. So if Houston doesn't offer value, what logical reason does Melo have to play here another year? Why would he want to play somewherein a limited role, on a losing team that wants to trade him and move on? Where is the logic? I can't see it.

I know the reason he is saying it. He's forcing a bad trade to get his wishes. Everything else he has said on the matter is basically a lie. I want to know what logic is he using. His stance of Houston or nothing and his comments on winning and having fun do not fit logically with him staying in NY. So what other logical reason is there?

Aside from him saying he wants to be closer to his son and LaLa, has Melo said anything? I'm pretty sure he hasn't commented publicly on trade talks / where he wants to go, although I might be mistaken. My thing is, if he'll accept a trade to Houston, why won't he accepted one to OKC which is just as close? What about other teams within 4-5 hours flying? If he wants to win a championship, why not open his teams to, again, OKC and other teams that are missing a piece or two?

To me, the main reason he wants to go to Houston is because of Paul (and, to a lesser extent, the no state tax). That's just me trying to get into Melo's head, but it's as good a guess as any. He sees Houston as the only place he is willing to play...for now. I honestly think the longer we hold out, the more fed-up he becomes and the more teams he includes on his "list" OR maybe he considers a buyout of less than 30 million (the latter being far more unlikely) Under no circumstance whatsoever should we be caving into ANY bad trade regardless of where he ends up - that's my stance.

Logical reasons. Distance from his son makes no sense anymore. It's basically a lie. I stated that in my post. You verified it in yours.

Logical reasons to stay in NY...not why he wants Houston. We know why. They aren't willing to pay up. So now what?

I hope he gets fed up or they pay up by camp time. That's still not a logical reason.

I don't think he goes to Houston at this point

Morey is a vulture, sure he wants Melo, but only for the right price. He thought he could get Melo for cheap, then Perry came in and shot him down.

I just don't get why his list is only Houston. I can understand him not wanting to go to Portland, as they're a fringe playoff team, but a team like OKC who has the reigning MVP and got PG for a steal? Sh*t, I'd be all over that if I was him. Hell, he should even reconsider Cleveland at this point (not that I think they'd actually trade for him, but you never know). Even the Spurs should be in consideration if he wants a contender and no state income tax.

Honestly, I got no clue. Let him stay this year if he won't expand his list, reduce his minutes to 30-ish per game, give him plenty of rest days, make KP the focal point on offense. One more year of Melo is significantly less damaging than 3 years of Anderson and no good assets to make up for it

[3toheadmelo]

[battabing10]

nobody understands that melo has a ntc that is supposed to be this power card, but melo has no power card at all.

knicks have the power card, they've already stated what they want to do with this franchise going forward, they made it clear melo isn't part of what they're going to do. all the knicks have to do is pay melo, that's all they owe him. they don't owe him one more shot at the playoffs, they don't owe him playing time, etc. they can play him 1 minute a game if they want to be garbage people about it and the only thing melo could say is "i'll expand my list".

melo has the least powerful ntc ever.

[ChaosHamster]

gif of something getting thrown into the garbage can in Melo thread..

Gotta be careful with those, Melo supporters.

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

For All you melo stans nobody wants the guy.

That says it all.

Read on Twitter

[Handledatruth]

Maybe he never wanted to leave in the first place. That's a fair reason right? Normally people ask for NTCs because they want to stay on the team they signed with. Logically, there are numerous other winning locations that Melo would fit in but maybe he sees Houston as the only best case scenario. Is he wrong? So for him it is either super dream scenario to play with his buddy and a MVP candidate or give himself one more shot at redemption in the city he loves. Until Knicks management comes and blatantly says "we are focused primarily on losing games this year", I don't see anything wrong with those two choices.

I said this before. It's not registering with people that want him gone at all costs.

just like it's not registering with some that if melo is still on the team he will see his minutes and shot attempts be reduced.

this offense is kristaps, thj, and willy. then melo.

Who is reducing his shots and minutes? Steve Mills? Oh wait he is not the coach. Should he be dictating our coaches rotation? You all are in for some serious disappointment if you think Hornacek is going to pull a "Marbury-D'Antoni". You think Lance Thomas is going to be our Duhon? You think KP is going to be cool with watching a Lance Thomas contested pull up with Melo regulated to the bench. Come on now...

[Handledatruth]

Aside from him saying he wants to be closer to his son and LaLa, has Melo said anything? I'm pretty sure he hasn't commented publicly on trade talks / where he wants to go, although I might be mistaken. My thing is, if he'll accept a trade to Houston, why won't he accepted one to OKC which is just as close? What about other teams within 4-5 hours flying? If he wants to win a championship, why not open his teams to, again, OKC and other teams that are missing a piece or two?

To me, the main reason he wants to go to Houston is because of Paul (and, to a lesser extent, the no state tax). That's just me trying to get into Melo's head, but it's as good a guess as any. He sees Houston as the only place he is willing to play...for now. I honestly think the longer we hold out, the more fed-up he becomes and the more teams he includes on his "list" OR maybe he considers a buyout of less than 30 million (the latter being far more unlikely) Under no circumstance whatsoever should we be caving into ANY bad trade regardless of where he ends up - that's my stance.

Logical reasons. Distance from his son makes no sense anymore. It's basically a lie. I stated that in my post. You verified it in yours.

Logical reasons to stay in NY...not why he wants Houston. We know why. They aren't willing to pay up. So now what?

I hope he gets fed up or they pay up by camp time. That's still not a logical reason.

I don't think he goes to Houston at this point

Morey is a vulture, sure he wants Melo, but only for the right price. He thought he could get Melo for cheap, then Perry came in and shot him down.

I just don't get why his list is only Houston. I can understand him not wanting to go to Portland, as they're a fringe playoff team, but a team like OKC who has the reigning MVP and got PG for a steal? Sh*t, I'd be all over that if I was him. Hell, he should even reconsider Cleveland at this point (not that I think they'd actually trade for him, but you never know). Even the Spurs should be in consideration if he wants a contender and no state income tax.

Honestly, I got no clue. Let him stay this year if he won't expand his list, reduce his minutes to 30-ish per game, give him plenty of rest days, make KP the focal point on offense. One more year of Melo is significantly less damaging than 3 years of Anderson and no good assets to make up for it

Proof that rational thinking exists on this board.

[Jalen Bluntson]

So there is no logical reason other than choosing money over winning. He's not going to win here. He's going to have his playing time cut. So why stay? Why kill his own value if he wants to go to another team? Logically? He's trying to help Houston pay less? After forcing us to pay more to get him? Force out a coach. Pay more to keep him. Now he wants us to get less in return for giving him his wish? People are ok with this?

I truly think any fan of this team should be upset with this. LOGICALLY!

[god shammgod]

Unfortunately very few people have the liquid cash to buy the Knicks outright as a solo owner.

that and they're not for sale. those are 2 difficult hurdles.

[blueNorange]

I said this before. It's not registering with people that want him gone at all costs.

just like it's not registering with some that if melo is still on the team he will see his minutes and shot attempts be reduced.

this offense is kristaps, thj, and willy. then melo.

Who is reducing his shots and minutes? Steve Mills? Oh wait he is not the coach. Should he be dictating our coaches rotation? You all are in for some serious disappointment if you think Hornacek is going to pull a "Marbury-D'Antoni". You think Lance Thomas is going to be our Duhon? You think KP is going to be cool with watching a Lance Thomas contested pull up with Melo regulated to the bench. Come on now...

looks like someone can't handledatruth

[Handledatruth]

So there is no logical reason other than choosing money over winning. He's not going to win here. He's going to have his playing time cut. So why stay? Why kill his own value if he wants to go to another team? Logically? He's trying to help Houston pay less? After forcing us to pay more to get him? Force out a coach. Pay more to keep him. Now he wants us to get less in return for giving him his wish? People are ok with this?

I truly think any fan of this team should be upset with this. LOGICALLY!

The only clear motive in this entire scenario is that the Knicks front office wants to move forward without Melo. Problem is they have no clear strategy to do this. From the way this has all played out, Melo has likely given them three options: buy him out, trade him to Houston, or let him stay. I think the choice is very clear and Mills needs to get over himself seeing that he was a part of the decision making that led to this. Just a little bit of Accountability 101.

As a fan I am mad that we hired a basketball guru that handed trade leverage to a player that did not fit his overall basketball vision. But at this point point, what's done is done. Just let the man play ball in NY if he wants. What is there to get mad about here? A man trying to finish out his contract? What if he actually plays well? Still would be concerned?

[thebuzzardman]

just like it's not registering with some that if melo is still on the team he will see his minutes and shot attempts be reduced.

this offense is kristaps, thj, and willy. then melo.

Who is reducing his shots and minutes? Steve Mills? Oh wait he is not the coach. Should he be dictating our coaches rotation? You all are in for some serious disappointment if you think Hornacek is going to pull a "Marbury-D'Antoni". You think Lance Thomas is going to be our Duhon? You think KP is going to be cool with watching a Lance Thomas contested pull up with Melo regulated to the bench. Come on now...

looks like someone can't handledatruth

[Handledatruth]

just like it's not registering with some that if melo is still on the team he will see his minutes and shot attempts be reduced.

this offense is kristaps, thj, and willy. then melo.

Who is reducing his shots and minutes? Steve Mills? Oh wait he is not the coach. Should he be dictating our coaches rotation? You all are in for some serious disappointment if you think Hornacek is going to pull a "Marbury-D'Antoni". You think Lance Thomas is going to be our Duhon? You think KP is going to be cool with watching a Lance Thomas contested pull up with Melo regulated to the bench. Come on now...

looks like someone can't handledatruth

Are you agreeing with me?

Melo or no Melo I don't want our front office having vendettas against players exercising their contractual rights. Steve Mills was partially responsible for the NTC, so man up and take the L. Maybe he won't make the mistake of offering powerful clauses like an NTC to future contract negotiations. Stop compounding mistakes. And to be clear:

Ryan Anderson = Compounding the mistake
Keeping a salary hold on a waived player = compounding the mistake
Letting Melo play in whatever role deemed by Coach Hornacek = Taking the L and moving on from the mistake