KGdaBom wrote:Oriole8159 wrote:KGdaBom wrote:According to who is Kyrie a superstar? According to most he is somewhere between the 8th to 11th best PG in the league About the 30th to 50th best player. That is not a superstar.
I'm not going to try and make this a semantics argument about what does and doesn't constitute a "superstar." Kyrie is a 4 time all star in the prime of his career, with NBA finals individual success, and with a great contract for the next 2 years. call that what you want, but its something that team needs.
even considering there are supposed to be talented players coming into this draft, the likelihood that they eclipse Kyrie is small; and even if they do, how many years does the team that drafted them have to wait for them to hit that point? Kyrie is ready to push them into the finals from Day 1.
that's really the question at hand here. The original poster said that the #1 pick may become a superstar, but let's use your take and say Kyrie is a Top 30 player already. A top 30 player, but in the prime of his career, is very comparable to a player with a potentially higher ceiling but that may not hit that for 3-4 years, and that may never even become the Top 30 player that Kyrie already is.
Gambling that a future asset will automatically become better than an already proven 4 time all star in the prime of their career, is risky.
You're forgetting Thomas who if healthy is better than Irving by himself. I wasn't even factoring in Crowder or the#1 pick to consider Cleveland the short term winner of the trade. Irving being younger does have the better long term value. However, I'm beginning to think that this injury might be serious.
I was operating under the presumption that Bos isn't going to re-sign him long term, so he's a diminished asset from a value standpoint.
He's a fine player, but if both sides know that he's not going to be back in Bos next year, then it's hard to get good value for him. But including him allows them to not have to give up Tatum or Brown, so that's a big win for Bos.
