Eurobasket 2017 SLOVENIA takes the gold

[Kabookalu]

Anthony Randolph going HAM in this tourney and finally living up to goat?

The NBA was holding him back all along.

[Mirotic12]

what kind of organization is this? one group is in finland, another is in israel. Do they even know where these countries are located and how far from each other? to give the sense of an event, it would be better to be held in one country or lets say in two neighbour countries. anyway apart from that, as a turkish, this is by far the worst squad of ours i have ever seen in a championship.

Do you have any idea how much money it costs to host one of these tournaments? They have to do it this way, because no single country wants to cover the costs. I think the last EuroBasket cost like $20 million to host.

Really disappointed about my country's national team (Greece). Besides Giannis i feel like our Centers are way too slow to keep up and shooting is a major issue. Unfortunately there are way too many egos and not a clear cut leader. I feel like this would be a good opportunity for us to incorporate some youngsters like Mitoglou who was playing for Wake Forest last season and got a contract to the Euroleague but he got cut for players that have some experience from the National Team (to be honest i feel like he is a lot better than Agravanis).

Greece had a great team leader in Vassilis Spanoulis (voted best team leader in EuroLeague last 4 years). But they let the pro Panathinaikos media in Greece, and the pro Panathinaikos head of the Greek Basketball Federation push him out of the team, as punishment for him leaving Panathinaikos and signing with Olympiacos.

There are consequences for those types of actions, and now Greece's national team is paying them, the last 2 summers.

Also, Mitoglou may be talented, but he's uber, uber soft.

[JohnWillow]

This is Hungary

G: Wittmann, Ruják
G: Vojvoda, Kovács, Perl
F: Hanga, Ferencz
F: Allen, Eilingsfeld, Tóth
C: Keller, Karahodzsics

Added. Now the only roster that missing in OP is Great Britain.

Look in the 1st page, I did put GB roster.

[EuropeanBball]

In FIBA, no way Marc and Porzingis are ahead of Pau. Pau has been dominating FIBA tournaments since 2002.

Completely agree with you, thats not my list, it is made by Eurohoops. In my opinion, Pau is number 1 without doubt.

Marc, Porzingis, Bogdan etc. are far behind him.

My top10 list is:
1 Pau

2 Marc
3 Dragic
4 Bogdan Bogdanovic
5 De Colo
6 Bojan Bogdanovic
7 Porzingis
8 Vucevic
9 Rubio
10 Saric


This list shows how weak actually it is this Eurobasket, i mean if everybody is playing for their NT list will look like:
1. Pau
2. Marc
3. Giannis
4. Teodosic
5. Gobert
6. Galinari
7. Llull
8. Dragic
9. Batum
10. Bogdan Bogdanovic

This is mine opinion of course, maybe i missed someone, but point is clear..

[UcanUwill]

In FIBA, no way Marc and Porzingis are ahead of Pau. Pau has been dominating FIBA tournaments since 2002.

Completely agree with you, thats not my list, it is made by Eurohoops. In my opinion, Pau is number 1 without doubt.

Marc, Porzingis, Bogdan etc. are far behind him.

My top10 list is:
1 Pau

2 Marc
3 Dragic
4 Bogdan Bogdanovic
5 De Colo
6 Bojan Bogdanovic
7 Porzingis
8 Vucevic
9 Rubio
10 Saric


This list shows how weak actually it is this Eurobasket, i mean if everybody is playing for their NT list will look like:
1. Pau
2. Marc
3. Giannis
4. Teodosic
5. Gobert
6. Galinari
7. Llull
8. Dragic
9. Batum
10. Bogdan Bogdanovic

This is mine opinion of course, maybe i missed someone, but point is clear..

If you rank them from FIBA point of view, which the idea you start with having Pau first, I really have no clue why Rubio and Vucevic are so high. Dragic at nr3 is also very suspect. Granted, to rank these players is very tough and subjective, if I had to rank them :

1. Pau Gasol
2. Marc Gasol
3. Kristaps Porzingis
4. Nando De Colo
5. Dario Saric
6. Goran Dragic
7. Bojan Bogdanovic
8. Jonas Valanciunas
9. Marco Bellineli
10. Bogdan Bogdanovic
11. Sergio Rodriguez
12. Luka Doncic
13. Evan Fournier
14. Dennis Shroeder
15. Adam Hanga
16. Mindaugas Kuzminskas
17. Nikolo Melli
18.Thomas Heurtel
19. Omri Casspi
20. Alexey Shved


I probably missed someone obvious...

[EuropeanBball]

Why not, Vučević is great offensively on both FIBA and NBA level.
I didnt see Dragić for a while at FIBA competitions (he was playing at WC 2014 i guess, but cant remember), but i dont see a reason why he would not be great at FIBA as in the NBA.
I agree with your comment on Rubio, but i didnt know which players to put after 8th place so i put him

Also i dont understand why people are puting Doncic anywhere on this lists, i mean i can understand Americans who didnt watched him, but...he is not anywhere top 20 players at this competition in my opinion, even with so bad competition...

NEWS: Turkey will play without Bobby Dixon due to injury, according to Eurohoops.

+teams with most players on EuroBasket (Fenerbahce at 7 after news about Dixon).

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[jinxed]

Rubio really needs to have a break out FIBA tournament. I think this might be the year.

[UcanUwill]

@UcanUWill
Why not, Vučević is great offensively on both FIBA and NBA level.
I didnt see Dragić for a while at FIBA competitions (he was playing at WC 2014 i guess, but cant remember), but i dont see a reason why he would not be great at FIBA as in the NBA.
I agree with your comment on Rubio, but i didnt know which players to put after 8th place so i put him

NEWS: Turkey will play without Bobby Dixon due to injury, according to Eurohoops.

+teams with most players on EuroBasket (Fenerbahce at 7 after news about Dixon).

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Every single time I watched Vucevic in Montenegrian jersey, he honestly sucked. I would even say Dubjevic looked better. Also got to admit that I never liked Vucevic, I think he is very overrated, empty stats guy if I saw one.

Dragic I love, but he looked pretty ordinary this whole summer time, so its recency bias.

[Mirotic12]

If you rank them from FIBA point of view, which the idea you start with having Pau first, I really have no clue why Rubio and Vucevic are so high. Dragic at nr3 is also very suspect. Granted, to rank these players is very tough and subjective, if I had to rank them :

1. Pau Gasol
2. Marc Gasol
3. Kristaps Porzingis
4. Nando De Colo
5. Dario Saric
6. Goran Dragic
7. Bojan Bogdanovic
8. Jonas Valanciunas
9. Marco Bellineli
10. Bogdan Bogdanovic
11. Sergio Rodriguez
12. Luka Doncic
13. Evan Fournier
14. Dennis Shroeder
15. Adam Hanga
16. Mindaugas Kuzminskas
17. Nikolo Melli
18.Thomas Heurtel
19. Omri Casspi
20. Alexey Shved


I probably missed someone obvious...

Yeah, you missed some guys like Georgios Printezis, Johannes Voightmann, Boban Marjanovic, Andrey Vorontsevich, and Anthony Randolph. Also, Shved is way too low.

Other players you could argue should be in such lists...Mateusz Ponitka, Ioannis Bourousis, Nikos Pappas, Kostas Sloukas, Giorgi Shermadini, Daniel Theis, Daniel Hackett, Luigi Datome, Roko Ukic, Tomas Satoransky, Bojan Dubljevic, Sam Van Rossum, several of the Latvian players.......

Why not, Vučević is great offensively on both FIBA and NBA level.
I didnt see Dragić for a while at FIBA competitions (he was playing at WC 2014 i guess, but cant remember), but i dont see a reason why he would not be great at FIBA as in the NBA.
I agree with your comment on Rubio, but i didnt know which players to put after 8th place so i put him

Also i dont understand why people are puting Doncic anywhere on this lists, i mean i can understand Americans who didnt watched him, but...he is not anywhere top 20 players at this competition in my opinion, even with so bad competition...

Vucevic is a huge liability on defense, whether it is NBA, or FIBA. Goran Dragic has only played well once in a FIBA competition, and that was when Slovenia was hosting the tournament.

As far as Doncic goes...people putting him in such lists are probably basing it off of friendly games. Based on his play last season, you are right, no way is he that good. people are probably going by the friendlies, which is tricky, because in general, teams only play those at 50% intensity. So you can't really know much of anything from friendly games in reality.

[UcanUwill]

If you rank them from FIBA point of view, which the idea you start with having Pau first, I really have no clue why Rubio and Vucevic are so high. Dragic at nr3 is also very suspect. Granted, to rank these players is very tough and subjective, if I had to rank them :

1. Pau Gasol
2. Marc Gasol
3. Kristaps Porzingis
4. Nando De Colo
5. Dario Saric
6. Goran Dragic
7. Bojan Bogdanovic
8. Jonas Valanciunas
9. Marco Bellineli
10. Bogdan Bogdanovic
11. Sergio Rodriguez
12. Luka Doncic
13. Evan Fournier
14. Dennis Shroeder
15. Adam Hanga
16. Mindaugas Kuzminskas
17. Nikolo Melli
18.Thomas Heurtel
19. Omri Casspi
20. Alexey Shved


I probably missed someone obvious...

Yeah, you missed some guys like Georgios Printezis, Johannes Voightmann, Boban Marjanovic, Andrey Vorontsevich, and Anthony Randolph. Also, Shved is way too low.

Other players you could argue should be in such lists...Mateusz Ponitka, Ioannis Bourousis, Nikos Pappas, Kostas Sloukas, Giorgi Shermadini, Daniel Theis, Daniel Hackett, Luigi Datome, Roko Ukic, Tomas Satoransky, Bojan Dubljevic, Sam Van Rossum, several of the Latvian players.......

I didn't watch Greece at all this summer, but I heard Printezis didn't look good. I was thinking about adding him. Bourousis no, these days are over. Haven't seen Roko Ukic in years, but last time he played in Greece, he was GARBAGE. Boban Marjanovic, yeah, how did I miss him, he should be there for sure.

[EuropeanBball]

Roko Leni Ukic is still garbage, why the hell will someone put him on any list (that is not about worst players)
I mean if you are looking for Croatian guard, Kruno Simon is much better choice.

[Mirotic12]

I didn't watch Greece at all this summer, but I heard Printezis didn't look good. I was thinking about adding him. Bourousis no, these days are over. Haven't seen Roko Ukic in years, but last time he played in Greece, he was GARBAGE. Boban Marjanovic, yeah, how did I miss him, he should be there for sure.

Ukic played quite well this year with AEK. His basketball IQ has improved a lot over the years, and so has his decision making. He should definitely be a key player for Croatia. Bourousis.....he can't guard on switches at all (too old and all his athletic ability is gone), but he can still guard in the post, can still rebound, and he's still cable to demand and pass out of a double team. Certainly better still than some players on that list.

Printezis lost all of his athletic ability, and he's now also at the stage where his body is failing. So he's clearly not the player he used to be. However, he's still a good rebounder, still a great post player, can hit the 3, and he's still good on defense in the post (although he can't cover on switches anymore). But yeah, even at 75% of what he used to be, he's better than some players in that list.

Also, I simply said these players could be argued as being in such lists....not that they had to be there.

Roko Leni Ukic is still garbage, why the hell will someone put him on any list (that is not about worst players)
I mean if you are looking for Croatian guard, Kruno Simon is much better choice.

I watched most of Ukic's games this year with AEK. He is one of the best players Croatia has. Simon is a very good offensive player. I think he's one of the better small forwards in Europe. However, he is horribly bad on defense.

[Alatan]

If you rank them from FIBA point of view, which the idea you start with having Pau first, I really have no clue why Rubio and Vucevic are so high. Dragic at nr3 is also very suspect. Granted, to rank these players is very tough and subjective, if I had to rank them :

1. Pau Gasol
2. Marc Gasol
3. Kristaps Porzingis
4. Nando De Colo
5. Dario Saric
6. Goran Dragic
7. Bojan Bogdanovic
8. Jonas Valanciunas
9. Marco Bellineli
10. Bogdan Bogdanovic
11. Sergio Rodriguez
12. Luka Doncic
13. Evan Fournier
14. Dennis Shroeder
15. Adam Hanga
16. Mindaugas Kuzminskas
17. Nikolo Melli
18.Thomas Heurtel
19. Omri Casspi
20. Alexey Shved


I probably missed someone obvious...

Dario Saric at 5 ? I hope this is a joke...

[Alatan]

I watched most of Ukic's games this year with AEK. He is one of the best players Croatia has. Simon is a very good offensive player. I think he's one of the better small forwards in Europe. However, he is horribly bad on defense.

I didn't watch any of Ukic's games recently but he used to be the most clueless player on the court whenever i did watch him. It would take a small miracle for him to be a good player. Croatia really suffers from the lack of decent point guards. It shows in every tournament they play.

[maRioGrande]

If you rank them from FIBA point of view, which the idea you start with having Pau first, I really have no clue why Rubio and Vucevic are so high. Dragic at nr3 is also very suspect. Granted, to rank these players is very tough and subjective, if I had to rank them :

1. Pau Gasol
2. Marc Gasol
3. Kristaps Porzingis
4. Nando De Colo
5. Dario Saric
6. Goran Dragic
7. Bojan Bogdanovic
8. Jonas Valanciunas
9. Marco Bellineli
10. Bogdan Bogdanovic
11. Sergio Rodriguez
12. Luka Doncic
13. Evan Fournier
14. Dennis Shroeder
15. Adam Hanga
16. Mindaugas Kuzminskas
17. Nikolo Melli
18.Thomas Heurtel
19. Omri Casspi
20. Alexey Shved


I probably missed someone obvious...

Dario Saric at 5 ? I hope this is a joke...

Wouldn't call it a joke, but he is better than De Colo, should be at number 4.

[maRioGrande]

Ukić is not hot garbage as he used to be, his bbiq improved as someone else stated, but he is nowhere near the other good players mentioned here.

[LuDux1]

FIBA world rank #5

Spoiler:

PGs

Mantas Kalnietis -- (EA7 Milan )
Adas Juškevičius -- (Lietkabelis )

SGs

Martynas Gecevičius -- (Zaragoza )
Marius Grigonis -- (Alba )
Artūras Milaknis -- (Žalgiris )

SFs

Mindaugas Kuzminskas -- (Knicks NBA)
Jonas Mačiulis -- (Real Madrid )
Edgaras Ulanovas -- (Žalgiris )

PFs

Donatas Motiejūnas -- (Shandong Golden Stars )
Eimantas Bendžius -- (Obradoiro )

Cs

Jonas Valančiūnas -- (Raptors NBA)
Artūras Gudaitis -- (Lietuvos rytas )

That's one way of looking at it
Here's mine
PG Kalnietis
SG Juskevicius, Grigonis, Gecevicius, Milaknis
SF Kuzminskas, Maciulis, Ulanovas, Bendzius
PF Motiejunas
C Valanciunas, Gudaitis

[Alatan]

If you rank them from FIBA point of view, which the idea you start with having Pau first, I really have no clue why Rubio and Vucevic are so high. Dragic at nr3 is also very suspect. Granted, to rank these players is very tough and subjective, if I had to rank them :

1. Pau Gasol
2. Marc Gasol
3. Kristaps Porzingis
4. Nando De Colo
5. Dario Saric
6. Goran Dragic
7. Bojan Bogdanovic
8. Jonas Valanciunas
9. Marco Bellineli
10. Bogdan Bogdanovic
11. Sergio Rodriguez
12. Luka Doncic
13. Evan Fournier
14. Dennis Shroeder
15. Adam Hanga
16. Mindaugas Kuzminskas
17. Nikolo Melli
18.Thomas Heurtel
19. Omri Casspi
20. Alexey Shved


I probably missed someone obvious...

Dario Saric at 5 ? I hope this is a joke...

Wouldn't call it a joke, but he is better than De Colo, should be at number 4.

I dont agree with Dario being better than De Colo even as he isn't some great player. I dont know what you people see in Dario... Bojan Bogdanovic is clearly the best player on the Croatia NT and apart from shooting he doesnt have much going for him.

[UcanUwill]

Dario Saric at 5 ? I hope this is a joke...

Wouldn't call it a joke, but he is better than De Colo, should be at number 4.

I dont agree with Dario being better than De Colo even as he isn't some great player. I dont know what you people see in Dario... Bojan Bogdanovic is clearly the best player on the Croatia NT and apart from shooting he doesnt have much going for him.

I disagree. Even tho Bojan has the scoring numbers, its Dario who carries that team on both ends. Take Dario out, and that team is hot air.

[Alatan]

Wouldn't call it a joke, but he is better than De Colo, should be at number 4.

I dont agree with Dario being better than De Colo even as he isn't some great player. I dont know what you people see in Dario... Bojan Bogdanovic is clearly the best player on the Croatia NT and apart from shooting he doesnt have much going for him.

I disagree. Even tho Bojan has the scoring numbers, its Dario who carries that team on both ends. Take Dario out, and that team is hot air.

Not the impression i have but maybe im wrong.