ATL - New Lottery Rules Move to Owner Vote - pg59

[Rainwater]

Going to suck when this awesome one month long debate has to come to a close as the Celtics offer up that additional 2nd and Cleveland accepts the trade.

Hahaha, truth.

[blazza18]

Wonder we're we'd sit if we could offer a "not torn his acl twice Jabari Parker" right now.

Think Kyrie would be a better fit personally.

[jbk1234]

Going to suck when this awesome one month long debate has to come to a close as the Celtics offer up that additional 2nd and Cleveland accepts the trade.

Dude...

Seriously though, I think the conventional wisdom on this is wrong. I think the chances of this getting voided are about 50/50.

[MidnightBuck]

I think our package is not strong enough and by continuing to offer it, publicly, we are potentially alienating two young pieces of the core.

But, Bucks gonna Bucks!

[MidnightBuck]

Going to suck when this awesome one month long debate has to come to a close as the Celtics offer up that additional 2nd and Cleveland accepts the trade.

Dude...

Seriously though, I think the conventional wisdom on this is wrong. I think the chances of this getting voided are about 50/50.

It's a game of chicken. Boston will absolutely throw in the 2nd, we just have to wait until the 11th hour until it's official.

[jbk1234]

Going to suck when this awesome one month long debate has to come to a close as the Celtics offer up that additional 2nd and Cleveland accepts the trade.

Dude...

Seriously though, I think the conventional wisdom on this is wrong. I think the chances of this getting voided are about 50/50.

It's a game of chicken. Boston will absolutely throw in the 2nd, we just have to wait until the 11th hour until it's official.

If the Cavs feel like Boston was shady re: IT's health, and they may, then a 2nd might not get it done.

[skones]

Kyrie is the best catch-and-shoot 3 point shooter in the league, he'd fit nicely with Giannis. FTR, Middleton and Brogdon are also in the top 20.

Among players who attempted 200 or more 3's, Kyrie isn't even in the top 50. Not sure what you're referring to

"Catch and Shoot" is the key.

Pau Gasol 56/103 54.4
Chris Paul 33/67 49.3
Kyrie Irving 80/167 47.9
Kemba Walker 103/216 47.7

When volume is taken into consideration, you can argue Walker, but I'm fine with the Irving declaration.

[raferfenix]

But really though do we want to trade our best available assets for a flat-earther?

Someone that dumb is a risk even aside from not wanting to play with Lebron.

[MidnightBuck]

Dude...

Seriously though, I think the conventional wisdom on this is wrong. I think the chances of this getting voided are about 50/50.

It's a game of chicken. Boston will absolutely throw in the 2nd, we just have to wait until the 11th hour until it's official.

If the Cavs feel like Boston was shady re: IT's health, and they may, then a 2nd might not get it done.

The deal was highway robbery in the first place. Crowder, Zizic, BKLYN 1st, Celts 2nd is far better than what the Bucks have on the table right now. It's also likely far better than any other team in the NBA can offer outside of an Anthony Davis package (why??).

[jbk1234]

It's a game of chicken. Boston will absolutely throw in the 2nd, we just have to wait until the 11th hour until it's official.

If the Cavs feel like Boston was shady re: IT's health, and they may, then a 2nd might not get it done.

The deal was highway robbery in the first place. Crowder, Zizic, BKLYN 1st, Celts 2nd is far better than what the Bucks have on the table right now. It's also likely far better than any other team in the NBA can offer outside of an Anthony Davis package (why??).

I have Middleton as a better two-way player than Crowder. I have Brogdon as a better prospect than Zizic. The picks are unknown but we'll assume that the Brooklyn pick is at least *better.* Do I want a better team right now or a better pick? I want a better team. In the aggregate, Boston's package is probably *better* but so what. IT being hurt really changes the equation for me.

[Rainwater]

Wonder we're we'd sit if we could offer a "not torn his acl twice Jabari Parker" right now.

Think Kyrie would be a better fit personally.

If Jabari didn't tear his ACL, I think he would have gotten a contract extension.

[JustinCredible]

I think our package is not strong enough and by continuing to offer it, publicly, we are potentially alienating two young pieces of the core.

But, Bucks gonna Bucks!

They aren't offering it publicly. They are completely denying it publicly.

[MidnightBuck]

If the Cavs feel like Boston was shady re: IT's health, and they may, then a 2nd might not get it done.

The deal was highway robbery in the first place. Crowder, Zizic, BKLYN 1st, Celts 2nd is far better than what the Bucks have on the table right now. It's also likely far better than any other team in the NBA can offer outside of an Anthony Davis package (why??).

I have Middleton as a better two-way player than Crowder. I have Brogdon as a better prospect than Zizic. The picks are unknown but we'll assume that the Brooklyn pick is at least *better.* Do I want a better team right now or a better pick? I want a better team. In the aggregate, Boston's package is probably *better* but so what. IT being hurt really changes the equation for me.

With Kyrie gone, there's no chance CLE can beat GSW this year. No package for Kyrie (outside of Anthony Davis) will do it. So then we are looking at Y2 and beyond. I personally think LeBron will be gone, but it's not for certain.

You're willing to forgo the long-term benefit of the Boston package, potentially turning what might have been a 6 year rebuild into a 2-3 year rebuild in order to improve your odds of beating GSW from 12% to 18%?

I like CLE, I'm a Bron stan, I hate the monstrosity that is GSW, but I think Boston's package, with or without a pristine IT, is the better option.

[MidnightBuck]

I think our package is not strong enough and by continuing to offer it, publicly, we are potentially alienating two young pieces of the core.

But, Bucks gonna Bucks!

They aren't offering it publicly. They are completely denying it publicly.

What team doesn't deny their leaked unofficial trade rumors?

[jbk1234]

The deal was highway robbery in the first place. Crowder, Zizic, BKLYN 1st, Celts 2nd is far better than what the Bucks have on the table right now. It's also likely far better than any other team in the NBA can offer outside of an Anthony Davis package (why??).

I have Middleton as a better two-way player than Crowder. I have Brogdon as a better prospect than Zizic. The picks are unknown but we'll assume that the Brooklyn pick is at least *better.* Do I want a better team right now or a better pick? I want a better team. In the aggregate, Boston's package is probably *better* but so what. IT being hurt really changes the equation for me.

With Kyrie gone, there's no chance CLE can beat GSW this year. No package for Kyrie (outside of Anthony Davis) will do it. So then we are looking at Y2 and beyond. I personally think LeBron will be gone, but it's not for certain.

You're willing to forgo the long-term benefit of the Boston package, potentially turning what might have been a 6 year rebuild into a 2-3 year rebuild in order to improve your odds of beating GSW from 12% to 18%?

I like CLE, I'm a Bron stan, I hate the monstrosity that is GSW, but I think Boston's package, with or without a pristine IT, is the better option.

Because the long-term benefit of the Boston package has some pretty big question marks next to it and the issue isn't' whether IT is pristine, it's whether he'll even be available. The only thing giving me pause is Middleton's hamstring. Was he still recovering or is he going to be a different player now? No one can say for sure until he plays this year.

[MidnightBuck]

I have Middleton as a better two-way player than Crowder. I have Brogdon as a better prospect than Zizic. The picks are unknown but we'll assume that the Brooklyn pick is at least *better.* Do I want a better team right now or a better pick? I want a better team. In the aggregate, Boston's package is probably *better* but so what. IT being hurt really changes the equation for me.

With Kyrie gone, there's no chance CLE can beat GSW this year. No package for Kyrie (outside of Anthony Davis) will do it. So then we are looking at Y2 and beyond. I personally think LeBron will be gone, but it's not for certain.

You're willing to forgo the long-term benefit of the Boston package, potentially turning what might have been a 6 year rebuild into a 2-3 year rebuild in order to improve your odds of beating GSW from 12% to 18%?

I like CLE, I'm a Bron stan, I hate the monstrosity that is GSW, but I think Boston's package, with or without a pristine IT, is the better option.

Because the long-term benefit of the Boston package has some pretty big question marks next to it and the issue isn't' whether IT is pristine, it's whether he'll even be available. The only thing giving me pause is Middleton's hamstring. Was he still recovering or is he going to be a different player now? No one can say for sure until he plays this year.

Middleton was fantastic and every bit the same player. He was underwhelming in the playoffs, but by no means due to a lingering hamstring issue. If that's what gives you pause about the Bucks package than pull the trigger right now. I'd be happy to take Kyrie (if he resigns 2 years down the road).

[Rainwater]

The deal was highway robbery in the first place. Crowder, Zizic, BKLYN 1st, Celts 2nd is far better than what the Bucks have on the table right now. It's also likely far better than any other team in the NBA can offer outside of an Anthony Davis package (why??).

I have Middleton as a better two-way player than Crowder. I have Brogdon as a better prospect than Zizic. The picks are unknown but we'll assume that the Brooklyn pick is at least *better.* Do I want a better team right now or a better pick? I want a better team. In the aggregate, Boston's package is probably *better* but so what. IT being hurt really changes the equation for me.

With Kyrie gone, there's no chance CLE can beat GSW this year. No package for Kyrie (outside of Anthony Davis) will do it. So then we are looking at Y2 and beyond. I personally think LeBron will be gone, but it's not for certain.

You're willing to forgo the long-term benefit of the Boston package, potentially turning what might have been a 6 year rebuild into a 2-3 year rebuild in order to improve your odds of beating GSW from 12% to 18%?

I like CLE, I'm a Bron stan, I hate the monstrosity that is GSW, but I think Boston's package, with or without a pristine IT, is the better option.

Completely agree with you. And I know you are assuming LBJ is staying but most believe he is not. So unless the Cavs are comfortable with a core of Middleton, Malcolm, Thon, Love, and Thompson going into the future (borderline playoff team); I would rather take my shot with the Brooklyn Pick

[M-C-G]

I have Middleton as a better two-way player than Crowder. I have Brogdon as a better prospect than Zizic. The picks are unknown but we'll assume that the Brooklyn pick is at least *better.* Do I want a better team right now or a better pick? I want a better team. In the aggregate, Boston's package is probably *better* but so what. IT being hurt really changes the equation for me.

With Kyrie gone, there's no chance CLE can beat GSW this year. No package for Kyrie (outside of Anthony Davis) will do it. So then we are looking at Y2 and beyond. I personally think LeBron will be gone, but it's not for certain.

You're willing to forgo the long-term benefit of the Boston package, potentially turning what might have been a 6 year rebuild into a 2-3 year rebuild in order to improve your odds of beating GSW from 12% to 18%?

I like CLE, I'm a Bron stan, I hate the monstrosity that is GSW, but I think Boston's package, with or without a pristine IT, is the better option.

Completely agree with you. And I know you are assuming LBJ is staying but most believe he is not. So unless the Cavs are comfortable with a core of Middleton, Malcolm, Thon, Love, and Thompson going into the future (borderline playoff team); I would rather take my shot with the Brooklyn Pick

WHEN Bron leaves, they will trade off guys like Middleton, Love and any other vet with any value. Pretty sure they are well aware when Bron is gone they need a massive rebuild. That is also why this deal will get done with Boston.


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[MidnightBuck]

I have Middleton as a better two-way player than Crowder. I have Brogdon as a better prospect than Zizic. The picks are unknown but we'll assume that the Brooklyn pick is at least *better.* Do I want a better team right now or a better pick? I want a better team. In the aggregate, Boston's package is probably *better* but so what. IT being hurt really changes the equation for me.

With Kyrie gone, there's no chance CLE can beat GSW this year. No package for Kyrie (outside of Anthony Davis) will do it. So then we are looking at Y2 and beyond. I personally think LeBron will be gone, but it's not for certain.

You're willing to forgo the long-term benefit of the Boston package, potentially turning what might have been a 6 year rebuild into a 2-3 year rebuild in order to improve your odds of beating GSW from 12% to 18%?

I like CLE, I'm a Bron stan, I hate the monstrosity that is GSW, but I think Boston's package, with or without a pristine IT, is the better option.

Completely agree with you. And I know you are assuming LBJ is staying but most believe he is not. So unless the Cavs are comfortable with a core of Middleton, Malcolm, Thon, Love, and Thompson going into the future (borderline playoff team); I would rather take my shot with the Brooklyn Pick

I'm only so well-versed in the subject of the 8th-9th seed, and the endless frustration that comes with it, because I am a Bucks fans. Cavs fans, heed my advice, that is not a purgatory you want to be in.

[emunney]

If I thought Kyrie was a legit superstar, I'd give up Mids, Brogdon, and Thon no problem. But I don't. My only hesitation is the possibility that Kyrie has enough regard among players to pull a third (really second) great player.